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12-01-07, 06:15 PM
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damn bashing away. but i lone my n/a i would not trade it for a turbo not as a dd never. the only reason i want a turbo is cause i have a busted up s4 in my back yard i bought as a parts can and want to turn it in to a drag car. but it would be nice to just go to the n/a section instead of scrolling through all the turbo crap...N/A for the win
12-01-07, 06:50 PM
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i also think that by us not having our own section, its creating alot of ignorants about the n/a rotary.
Did you read my post above? In case you missed it, in the first 50 threads in the 2nd Gen section 3 were NA-specific, 8 were TII-specific and 39 were not engine-specific and were relevant to all FC's. Are you going to complain about sifting through the threads not relevant to NA engines? All those annoying electrical, suspension and interior questions?
12-01-07, 06:59 PM
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I can see the pros an cons in creating the section... I find it funny that the Turbo guys want to keep N/A threads around.. you'd think they'd be happy to lose the dead weight or maybe they are afraid they won't have anyone to pick on anymore.
LOL
LOL
12-01-07, 07:03 PM
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BTW... all this discussion about searches being more difficult is horsecrap.
When you use the advance search all you have to choose is "2nd Generation Specific (1986-92)" as the forum section and make sure that the box marked "Also search in child forums" is checked and you'll be fine.
if that's to much trouble you probably aren't searching very well to begin with.
When you use the advance search all you have to choose is "2nd Generation Specific (1986-92)" as the forum section and make sure that the box marked "Also search in child forums" is checked and you'll be fine.
if that's to much trouble you probably aren't searching very well to begin with.
12-01-07, 07:40 PM
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12-01-07, 10:34 PM
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Are you completely missing the point that most 2nd Gen threads apply to all FC's? The "dead weight" you refer to is not only a relatively small part of the section, it's also interesting to read and contribute to, even if I don't want to own an NA FC. If NA owners start posting non-engine-related topics in a separate section all we'll get is two separate sections full of stuff on the same topics, which is pointless. Separate sections should be for completely different topics.
if that's to much trouble you probably aren't searching very well to begin with.
Update on the current first 50 2nd Gen sections: 2 NA-specific, 9 TII-specific, 2 NA-to-TII swaps and 38 not engine-specific and relevant to all FC's. How that can justify a separate NA section is beyond me...
12-01-07, 10:42 PM
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If you want to continue to attack me take it offline, otherwise I suggest letting it go.
12-01-07, 10:46 PM
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Again another comment that was meant as a generalization towards the issue. I didn't say you (Jason) couldn't search, but rather you as in the search impaired user. The context of the comment was missed completely, damn you take the internet personally.
12-02-07, 05:03 AM
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Despite where my head may or may not be, I noted your earlier comment of seeing both sides of the argument, which is exactly why I think your comment was uncalled for and will only **** Turbo owners off. After the hundreds of times I've helped NA owners with problems, I resent the implication that Turbo owners would only want to pick on NA owners. That's just silly. I spend enough time in the 2nd Gen section to know that this whole "NA bashing" claim is being blown way out of proportion by a vocal minority and a bunch of "+1's".
12-02-07, 06:10 AM
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I have to agree with NZConvertible there...
It's not like I DON'T help non-turbo FC owners...
I try to steer away from the really stupid stuff.
I also avoid the "HELP ME", "I NEED HELP", "I GOT A PROBLEM" type of subject lines - these people should take a class to formulate better subjects!
And you can't accuse of of singling out the non-turbo FC owners...
I'll bash a stupid turbo FC owner without hesitation.
I'm sure NZConvertible can attest to that too.
So my "bashing" and "elitism" isn't just focused on non-turbo FC people...
Sure, I tend to help turbo FC owners more, since that is my specialty.
Why stick my nose into a non-turbo FC thread if I don't know anything about it - i.e. VDI, 6-port, etc.?
So I can see how some people might look at this as a bit of a snob...
...but I'm just trying to help as efficiently as possible.
My comments on these 200rwhp threads are more of an observation.
I still haven't seen one of these guys produce a dyno graph stating so.
I'm tired of all these claims.
This is why all the snide comments.
A LOT of "I'll do it" or "I'm going to build it" replies, but so far...empty promises.
Of course I'm going to be skeptical, and it gets worse and worse every year.
I like the reply from the guy who claims it's harder to build a "high power" normally aspirated engine...
I almost fell out of my chair reading that!
-Ted
It's not like I DON'T help non-turbo FC owners...
I try to steer away from the really stupid stuff.
I also avoid the "HELP ME", "I NEED HELP", "I GOT A PROBLEM" type of subject lines - these people should take a class to formulate better subjects!
And you can't accuse of of singling out the non-turbo FC owners...
I'll bash a stupid turbo FC owner without hesitation.
I'm sure NZConvertible can attest to that too.
So my "bashing" and "elitism" isn't just focused on non-turbo FC people...
Sure, I tend to help turbo FC owners more, since that is my specialty.
Why stick my nose into a non-turbo FC thread if I don't know anything about it - i.e. VDI, 6-port, etc.?
So I can see how some people might look at this as a bit of a snob...
...but I'm just trying to help as efficiently as possible.
My comments on these 200rwhp threads are more of an observation.
I still haven't seen one of these guys produce a dyno graph stating so.
I'm tired of all these claims.
This is why all the snide comments.
A LOT of "I'll do it" or "I'm going to build it" replies, but so far...empty promises.
Of course I'm going to be skeptical, and it gets worse and worse every year.
I like the reply from the guy who claims it's harder to build a "high power" normally aspirated engine...
I almost fell out of my chair reading that!
-Ted
12-02-07, 06:50 AM
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Despite where my head may or may not be, I noted your earlier comment of seeing both sides of the argument, which is exactly why I think your comment was uncalled for and will only **** Turbo owners off. After the hundreds of times I've helped NA owners with problems, I resent the implication that Turbo owners would only want to pick on NA owners. That's just silly. I spend enough time in the 2nd Gen section to know that this whole "NA bashing" claim is being blown way out of proportion by a vocal minority and a bunch of "+1's".
I see.... well I'm sorry.
I'll go back to my position of having no emotion, no opinion and no sense of humor and leave the sarcasm and quick wit to the experts like yourself.
You guys are quick to crucify others for the very same type of comments ya'll post and expect no repercussions from. To presume anyone is pointing out that ALL Turbo owners ONLY want to pick on N/A owners is paranoid delusional and sounds like the someone has a guilt complex. Obviously you failed to understand the ironic nature of the post, I'm giving up on explaining anything to you because you refuse to listen to anything but your own ramblings.
[mute NZConvertible]
12-02-07, 06:55 AM
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Jeezus Ted, we've known each other for over 10 years, if you don't know me better by now then well I guess there is no hope. I don't know what happened since you got on the forums, your not the same Ted we all knew back in the day.
BTW - Your not helping efficiently, your cherry-picking..there is a difference.
BTW - Your not helping efficiently, your cherry-picking..there is a difference.
12-02-07, 10:04 AM
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u guys act like you never ask a stupid question before. for ur whole life u new everything and never said anything that would sound dumb to others. i know alot about my car and theres no way anyone can offend me by the dumb remarks that r said. but i dont like to hear them as u wouldnt either. at this point in my life im more focus on what i can get from an n/a that i dont care what a turbo can do for me, i already know what they r capable and driven one for myself. yes i was impressed and i liked it, but thats not what i want. i want to compete with all motor civics. there r tons of civic owners that spend a huge amount of money on there n/a car to make power but most people on this forum cant seem to understand why we want to do it. they just say its a waste of money or to get real power go turbo or they may just bash u. ive seen comments on here that would make people cancil there account. people act real tough on the internet. to prove my point, some of u guys should read the thread below. i started the thread and was new at the time but i dont think i deserved some of the comments i recieve
https://www.rx7club.com/automotive-news-lounge-22/13b-vs-4-cylinder-703280/
https://www.rx7club.com/automotive-news-lounge-22/13b-vs-4-cylinder-703280/
12-02-07, 10:20 AM
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Also, for those actually answering questions, it means yet another forum to "hit". With very few topics actually specific to NA engines (I have a hard time thinking of more then a few common ones), it's bound to be low traffic.
And again, what about the 99% of 2nd gen topics that cross over? Where does a headlight switch topic go? Duplicated in both forums? What useful purpose would that serve? I guess that means that we then need to create "2nd Gen General Tech" to handle those crossover topics...oh wait, that's what we already have.
i also think that by us not having our own section, its creating alot of ignorants about the n/a rotary. ive heard alot of false information do to the fact that alot of people on here dont have respect for n/a rotarys.
people simply believe that they cant make power. there are a couple of guys on this forum that made a good amount of power on a streetport, but its hard to find them.
if n/a had its own section, it would be alot easier to find exactly what your looking for.
there is more to type about than porting:
injector size for n/a bridge ported 13b? or carbon apex seals vs stock for n/a race engine? carb-jeting for n/a race engine? or carburated vs efi? ignition timig for n/a set ups? injector sizes for n/a? how to build n/a intake manifold? maybe a e-production engine questions?
injector size for n/a bridge ported 13b? or carbon apex seals vs stock for n/a race engine? carb-jeting for n/a race engine? or carburated vs efi? ignition timig for n/a set ups? injector sizes for n/a? how to build n/a intake manifold? maybe a e-production engine questions?
Several of those questions also belong in the "Rotary Performance" subforum (which should really be renamed "Rotary Performance and Engine Building").
What sifting? Most of the time, topics are very clear in the first post whether or not they are NA or turbo specific.
Yes, exactly. If people did not monumentally suck at creating good subject lines (and for that matter, spelling, punctuation, capitalization and the ability to actually translate their thoughts into words) then there would never even be a concern about "mixing" up turbo and NA topics. It's too bad that there's no way to fix this, other then breed smarter people.
12-02-07, 10:53 AM
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1.7 million post all containing everything there is to know about the 2nd gen. most of those post r for the turbo version. believe it or not, i find it difficult to find exactly what im looking for. for instanst, i was looking for any n/a that has put out 200rwhp on a streetport. so i searched it in the 2nd gen section and i didnt find it. all i got was people who asked how can they get 200rwhp on a streetport. i read some of the comments on each one i found and no one even had the answer. so i typed it in the search bar and guess what? got the same results. i ended up running into a couple of post that i would have never searched for and found exactly what i was looking for. now i bet i would have found it alot faster if i was able to go to an organized n/a section
12-02-07, 11:00 AM
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95-99% of topics in the current 2nd gen forum apply to both cars.
believe it or not, i find it difficult to find exactly what im looking for. for instanst, i was looking for any n/a that has put out 200rwhp on a streetport. so i searched it in the 2nd gen section and i didnt find it.
all i got was people who asked how can they get 200rwhp on a streetport. i read some of the comments on each one i found and no one even had the answer. so i typed it in the search bar and guess what? got the same results. i ended up running into a couple of post that i would have never searched for and found exactly what i was looking for. now i bet i would have found it alot faster if i was able to go to an organized n/a section
You also probably learned that this is not exactly an easy task to accomplish. Telling someone that they can make 200RWHP on a street port is a bit optimistic.
12-02-07, 12:20 PM
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I don't know whats all been said so far, but I am going to have to agree. Similarly but unrelated, in the 1st gen section there should be a dedicated section for 12As and 13Bs separated to avoid confusion and make is easier to find information.
There should most certainly be separate sections for N/A and Turbo FCs. Especially for us [FC owners] because there is less variance in options for both SA/FB and FD (most only had one engine option). The FC as we all know was the only model that Mazda utilized both N/A and F/I ( in North America, I know in Japan they had a 12AT, and some other variations). Therefore, it is my opinion that in the interest of providing the best information on the internet for RX-7, you [the mods] will consider separating the second gen section into two parts: N/A, and F/I.
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There should most certainly be separate sections for N/A and Turbo FCs. Especially for us [FC owners] because there is less variance in options for both SA/FB and FD (most only had one engine option). The FC as we all know was the only model that Mazda utilized both N/A and F/I ( in North America, I know in Japan they had a 12AT, and some other variations). Therefore, it is my opinion that in the interest of providing the best information on the internet for RX-7, you [the mods] will consider separating the second gen section into two parts: N/A, and F/I.
Thank you,
David
12-02-07, 12:24 PM
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There's no need for an NA section. The 2nd gen is the only car in which there was a factory NA and turbo version (in North America only) and 95% of topics will transfer between turbo and NA. There is too much crossover and it will be a nightmare for the moderators to deal with. For example, where would a topic on wiper switch relay replacement go? Turbo 2nd gen? NA 2nd gen? It fits both. And searching would be far less effective as well.
Definitely something to think about.
