For me the main reason would simply be to have n/a guys reply to to n/a questions. What happens many times is someone asks a general question pertaining to an N/A specific problem and they either get the usual "just swap a turbo2" response or the brainless comments of the inadequacies of having an N/A 2nd gen. Arrogance is common w/ turbo owners because in there world nothing is better (and in many ways I agree) however it doesnt dismiss the love some of us have for our non turbo rotary cars.

 

How? I just did a quick check of the top 50 threads. 3 were NA-specific, 8 were TII-specific and 39 were not engine-specific and were relevant to all FC's. Just from that I can't see any justification for splitting the section and I can't see how it would make your life any easier. What if the question you ask isn't seen by the Turbo owner who can answer it but doesn't bother to read the NA section? How does that make your life easier? For the dozen or so people who provide a lot of the useful info in this section it would definitely be more hassle.

You think that doesn't happen already? I answer tons of questions from NA owners. Is NA info from a Turbo owner less worthy?

That's BS. I can't remember anyone ever asking for help with a problem and being told "just swap in a TII". The only time turbo swaps get suggested is when people have unrealistic expectations of what a modded NA engine can achieve. When someone asks something like "I want 250hp for $2K", a 13BT is a perfectly valid suggestion and should be taken seriously.

That's more BS. Talk about over-sensitive. In my experience on this forum incidences of genuine arrogance of Turbo owners directed at NA owners is very rare and certainly not justification for a split. Pointing out that someone's NA performance goals are unrealistic is not being arrogant.

 

Wow, this is something new...
Got evidence to back up your claims?

If anything, it's an inferiority complex from non-turbo owners that I see more of.
It's more like non-turbo owners have to prove how fast they can be or they can get...
Look at how many "how can I make my non-turbo (FC) faster?" threads versus "how can I make my turbo (FC) faster?" threads?

If anything, it's the non-turbo FC owners with the chips on their shoulders trying to prove themselves...

This place use to take a minimalist approach to having sub-groups, but lately I've noticed a lot of splitting...
1st gen non-technical?
Aw come on...how do you have a non-technical section under a technical main section in the first place?
1st gen version of their own mini-Lounge?

I don't get it...
Let the non-turbo guys get their own section; maybe the S-to-N ratio might really improve to let the turbo FC guys get serious topics discussed.


-Ted

 

Guys it a matter doing a quick click here and there on the 2nd gen forum to see whats what. I'm not attempting to take sides and bad mouth turbo guys. Locally I know a few guys running turbo set ups on there rotarys and thats great we share ideas, I help them they help me whatever. However its some (not all) of the guys (kids) who have a turbo 2nd gen who rather than help answer a question or help out with a problem decide to "down" a guy for owning an N/A rx7. If you NZC or Ted cant see the obvious than you need to read a little more.

"If anything, it's an inferiority complex from non-turbo owners that I see more of."
"If anything, it's the non-turbo FC owners with the chips on their shoulders trying to prove themselves..." -Ted

See what I mean? I'm new to the 2nd gen forum. I'm coming from a forum where the guys had answers and were willing to help a fellow 1st gen owner out. Even the 1st gen turbo guys assisted a fellow n/a fb guy out. That doesnt seem to happen on the 2nd gen forum as much w/o out the BS. Thats why I think this n/a section idea will work.

 

my intentions for a n/a thread wasn't to talk **** about turbo guys or even compare n/a's to turbos. but rather to look for answers. personally i can't ever find what im looking for. i usually start looking and find people asking the same questions or get caught up in threads that are titled one thing and talk about something completely different. i understand it would be hard to put the info in the sec. gen. section and seperate it into basically three groups; turbo, na, general. but it would help questions, conversations, and answers fall into the right catagories.

 

Lol, I brought this up like last year and it went nowhere. I guess there have been alot of N/A's sold since then.

 

Nevermind...
I should've just said some FC owners need to grow thicker skin.


-Ted

 

 

There's no need for an NA section. The 2nd gen is the only car in which there was a factory NA and turbo version (in North America only) and 95% of topics will transfer between turbo and NA. There is too much crossover and it will be a nightmare for the moderators to deal with. For example, where would a topic on wiper switch relay replacement go? Turbo 2nd gen? NA 2nd gen? It fits both. And searching would be far less effective as well.

 

Why knock it before giving this thing a chance? I say lets try it and take it from there!

 

I can assure you that I do quite a bit more than "a quick click here and there" in the 2nd Gen section, and I don't see any reason why a separate section is needed, particularly with the low number of NA-specific threads.

Find me a few recent incidences of a Turbo owner being rude or insulting to an NA purely because of their choice of car, and then I'll believe this is a genuine problem and not just in your head.

More?! Wow, you are new...

It sounds like you suck at searching. Splitting the 2nd Gen section won't help that at all.

Again, splitting the 2nd Gen section won't do anything to change that. Or are you blaming all of that behaviour on Turbo owners?

It would be far more effective and helpful if people titled their threads properly instead of the nonsense many people write. There is no need for separate sections if you can clearly tell what a thread is about.

 

Mainly because I've been here since the late '90s and know how the ebb and flow of the forum works.

Splitting the 2nd gen section will accomplish nothing but confusion. 95% of topics apply to both models. To split into turbo and NA would mean many duplicate topics, the need to maintain another FAQ and set of archives, a real pain in the butt when searching, and loads of difficult moderator decisions (for example, where to I put a topic asking how to do a TII swap? Turbo section or NA section? What about swapping a TII transmission into an NA car? Turbo or NA?). The current system has worked fine for many years, and continues to work fine.

Bingo. When the forum software was upgraded and the ability to easily change thread titles with a single click came around, I went through a period where I would re title threads based on their content. It was glorious to see a forum full of threads that were actually descriptive, properly capitalized and described the post well. But it rapidly became tiring so I stopped...

 

I have a suggestion...

If you really have a non-turbo specific thread, why not prefix it as such?
(NA) or (TURBO) (or(T) for short) would help differentiate between the two...
Hell, it would be a LOT easier of posters just mention the their particular FC model in the subject line, and then there would be no need for this!

+1 is more descriptive subject lines!


-Ted

 

+1

 

theres single turbo section that i think should be renamed "turbo performance section" i don't see why there cant be a n/a section!

 

Listen to the voice of the n/a guys. Why should the opinion of turbo guys matter? (thicken up skin)

 

As Jeremy Clarkson has frequently stated...

"We don't do much plugging on this show..."

Know what I mean?

 

naturally aspirated:

stock port
streetport
halfbridge
fullbridge
peripheral
nitros
dyno and timeslips

all of this is needed in my oppinion. this way when someone ask how to get hp out of there n/a, we dont have to hear someone say: THROW A TURBO ON IT. or strap a rocket to it ect..... the problem is that most turbo guys dont care. the fact is we need someone to compete with these all motor civics. the races r dominated by civics and u wouldnt believe the dumb **** that come out of there mouth about rotaries. so when we are talkin n/a, where not trying to compare hp to something that has a turbo. oh and one thing that kills me is when someone ask how can they get there n/a rx7 to beat a gsr civic or a rsx type-s, most of the guys say it cant be done, or shave weight as if the a n/a 13b cant make as much power as a 4cylinder. i have never lost to an rsx or or a gsr civic and i was only on a small streetport and a straight 2.5" exhaust. now i did loose to some civics, but they had far more money in there cars than i did. i know its a little off topic, i justwanted to make a point. i think it definetly deserves a try

 

If there ever was a sub-section for N/A... most of those items you posted would just fall under "porting"

 

What about a "turbo versus non-turbo FC" kinda post?
Do you spam both sections just to get an answer?

It's almost the same as "I wanna swap a 13BT into my non-turbo FC" kinda threads...

Technically, you can throw it in either / both, but it's really unnecessary...

(*sigh* gets ready for the madness...)


-Ted

 

Exactly. There are far too many ambiguous posts since both styles of car have the same (or similar) issues and are identical except for the engine (let's face it, there are no topics that apply to the TII transmission and not the NA, as is true with the rest of the drivetrain). Even most engine questions apply to both cars.

As for the complaints about those posting stupid things like "Just throw on a turbo", ignore them. These are the same people that have 4,000 posts in 2 months because they post useless one word answers and won't give any further advice because they don't have the knowledge to back it it up. If it's really ruining your thread, then hit the "Report To Moderator" button and someone will clean it up.

 

i just think that us n/a guys would get more attention and better information if we had our own section. i also think that by us not having our own section, its creating alot of ignorants about the n/a rotary. ive heard alot of false information do to the fact that alot of people on here dont have respect for n/a rotarys. people simply believe that they cant make power. there are a couple of guys on this forum that made a good amount of power on a streetport, but its hard to find them. if n/a had its own section, it would be alot easier to find exactly what your looking for.

 

there is more to type about than porting:

injector size for n/a bridge ported 13b? or carbon apex seals vs stock for n/a race engine? carb-jeting for n/a race engine? or carburated vs efi? ignition timig for n/a set ups? injector sizes for n/a? how to build n/a intake manifold? maybe a e-production engine questions?

 

It is kind of annoying to sift through Turbo stuff...

 

my point exactly