the 15yr rule
07-15-07, 02:52 AM
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The whole idea of the 15 year rule is to save Canadian and American jobs. The 15 year import rule remains in place because if it were lifted to 10 years or 5 years, the CAW would have a psychotic episode of rage.
It has nothing to do with safety.
A 1997 Stagea meets ALL Canadian safety specifications with minimal modifications with exception of front bumper specs, which frankly are stupid regulations in Canada that wind up doing more harm in insurance or out of pocket repair costs than injury prevention in <5kph crashes.
It has nothing to do with safety.
A 1997 Stagea meets ALL Canadian safety specifications with minimal modifications with exception of front bumper specs, which frankly are stupid regulations in Canada that wind up doing more harm in insurance or out of pocket repair costs than injury prevention in <5kph crashes.
07-15-07, 03:46 AM
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and even then using the Auto workers as an excuse doesnt work either, after all they have been laying off more and more workers.... why? because domestic vehicles made here suck, and the vehicles made abroad are nicer and safer, after all japan is leading the world in auto sales.... i guess all there vehicles are unsafe
07-15-07, 04:01 AM
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if safety was the arguement then they would be pulling unsafe vehicles off the roads that are domestics... at an CCMTA meeting outside was a bunch of imported vehicles, the link is now dead to the pics but there was a domestic 4runner and its jdm equivelant the surf, the surf didnt have a spot of rust on it the interior was mint and looked brand new, the domestic was rusted out windshield had a crack and the interior looked like it was taken out of a garbage dump...
keeping the 15yr rule in place and properly inspecting the vehicles is what needs to be done.... the break down is at the inspection process.... when a person has to get an inspection performed regardless of if its an domestic or import the inspection facility should do there job, which they arent.... because domestics are passed all the time falling apart, the only vehicles they truly check now are imports thus prooving that they are safer because they are being inspected properly....
the rules are being enforced thats why you can only legally import vehicles 15yrs or older, its the inspections that need to be done properly, and chanign the eligblity age wont change that...
the only benefit to changing the rule to 25yrs is they will be able to identify vehicles that are not eligible that much easier, no more R33's and R34's or RX7's and Supras that arent 15yrs old....
the rules are being enforced thats why you can only legally import vehicles 15yrs or older, its the inspections that need to be done properly, and chanign the eligblity age wont change that...
the only benefit to changing the rule to 25yrs is they will be able to identify vehicles that are not eligible that much easier, no more R33's and R34's or RX7's and Supras that arent 15yrs old....
it wont improve safety on our roads, because if the change happens, people who were gonna buy a quality used vehjicle from japan now are stuck with garbage domestics....
so you still back the safety arguement? youd rather people who dont have alot of money to begin with spend it on an over priced rusted out high km domestic vehicle.... think clearly please it will help us all.....
trying to say that a import is less safe than a domestic without PROOF is BS, you know it, i know it... and when comparing the jdm to the usdm use apples to apples and not oranges...
so you still back the safety arguement? youd rather people who dont have alot of money to begin with spend it on an over priced rusted out high km domestic vehicle.... think clearly please it will help us all.....
trying to say that a import is less safe than a domestic without PROOF is BS, you know it, i know it... and when comparing the jdm to the usdm use apples to apples and not oranges...
07-15-07, 04:12 AM
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It has nothing to do with safety.
A 1997 Stagea meets ALL Canadian safety specifications with minimal modifications with exception of front bumper specs, which frankly are stupid regulations in Canada that wind up doing more harm in insurance or out of pocket repair costs than injury prevention in <5kph crashes.
A 1997 Stagea meets ALL Canadian safety specifications with minimal modifications with exception of front bumper specs, which frankly are stupid regulations in Canada that wind up doing more harm in insurance or out of pocket repair costs than injury prevention in <5kph crashes.
If this were not true, I could order a RHD car from the factory. I agree our regulations suck. But look at the US, they suck even harder. We got it good compared to them. Their system has MANY loopholes. Ours does if you get to the inspection phase or have a dealer plate.
I think this discussion is pretty well drawing to a close. Its not like we can do anything about the rule change but sit back and see what happens. It doesnt matter whos right and whos wrong, because the government is always right.
Personally, if you jump through the government hoops, Im all for a 0 year rule.
07-15-07, 09:02 AM
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you can order an RHD car from the factory, and there are tons of them on the road.
Go to a subaru dealer and say, I want an RHD impreza/legacy/whatever. They'll have to order it, but they will.
if the RHD thing was an issue, then they'd say that in the laws.
Would a 1997 skoda LHD not be up to our standards?
or the hundreds of LHD bmw's and audis that never made it to our market?
The bumper law doesn't really apply to someone personally importing a car, they know the risks when they purchase it.
Go to a subaru dealer and say, I want an RHD impreza/legacy/whatever. They'll have to order it, but they will.
if the RHD thing was an issue, then they'd say that in the laws.
Would a 1997 skoda LHD not be up to our standards?
or the hundreds of LHD bmw's and audis that never made it to our market?
The bumper law doesn't really apply to someone personally importing a car, they know the risks when they purchase it.
07-15-07, 11:58 AM
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what i fail to understand is why, if you are all for our current laws, would you play devils advocate and sympathize with the gov't...
they wanted to change the laws but because of us they didnt get to do it without going unnoticed, now they have to perform studies and unless the studies proove that these vehicles are unsafe for our roads, if they dont proove they are unsafe as a whole.... all imported vehicles, LHD, RHD, from the UK or Japan, they wont be able to change the laws...
and as for them targetting other vehicles than just imported ones.... why is it i still see rusted out junkers that have coat hangers holding the muffler up, bungie cords holding the bumper up, with a baby seat in the back...
sure there are POS japanese vehicles, but they are very few when it comes to ones that have been imported, however there are alot more domestic piles of crap than japanese ones, after all they have the shaken inspection process which keeps those junk vehicles off the roads, what do we have???
as for being able to afford new vehicles.... i know of a bunch of friends who have gone off and bought brand new cars, and they cant afford them but they bought it anyways because they needed something reliable, so now they are in debt, like most canadians when it comes to purchasing a new vehicle.... putting our country into personal debt isnt a good thing....
you say that if you look hard enough you can find what you are looking for here... well if i do a quick comparison of here VS there. i quickly notice that the vehicles here cost 2x as much as there for the same quality of vehicle...
here rx7's FD go for around 15-25k there they are sold for 5-15k BIG difference
here MarkVI supras go for 60k there they go for 10-20k even bigger difference...
here landcruisers go for 15k(and they are falling apart and dont have the turbo diesil option) there they go for 5-10k not such a bigg difference in price but you can get them with the diesil which saves money on fuel....
and those are jsut a couple options... the people who buy a imported vehicle buy it becuase you cant get a domestic of the same quality, for the same price...
they wanted to change the laws but because of us they didnt get to do it without going unnoticed, now they have to perform studies and unless the studies proove that these vehicles are unsafe for our roads, if they dont proove they are unsafe as a whole.... all imported vehicles, LHD, RHD, from the UK or Japan, they wont be able to change the laws...
and as for them targetting other vehicles than just imported ones.... why is it i still see rusted out junkers that have coat hangers holding the muffler up, bungie cords holding the bumper up, with a baby seat in the back...
sure there are POS japanese vehicles, but they are very few when it comes to ones that have been imported, however there are alot more domestic piles of crap than japanese ones, after all they have the shaken inspection process which keeps those junk vehicles off the roads, what do we have???
as for being able to afford new vehicles.... i know of a bunch of friends who have gone off and bought brand new cars, and they cant afford them but they bought it anyways because they needed something reliable, so now they are in debt, like most canadians when it comes to purchasing a new vehicle.... putting our country into personal debt isnt a good thing....
you say that if you look hard enough you can find what you are looking for here... well if i do a quick comparison of here VS there. i quickly notice that the vehicles here cost 2x as much as there for the same quality of vehicle...
here rx7's FD go for around 15-25k there they are sold for 5-15k BIG difference
here MarkVI supras go for 60k there they go for 10-20k even bigger difference...
here landcruisers go for 15k(and they are falling apart and dont have the turbo diesil option) there they go for 5-10k not such a bigg difference in price but you can get them with the diesil which saves money on fuel....
and those are jsut a couple options... the people who buy a imported vehicle buy it becuase you cant get a domestic of the same quality, for the same price...
07-15-07, 02:26 PM
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you can order an RHD car from the factory, and there are tons of them on the road.
Go to a subaru dealer and say, I want an RHD impreza/legacy/whatever. They'll have to order it, but they will.
if the RHD thing was an issue, then they'd say that in the laws.
Would a 1997 skoda LHD not be up to our standards?
or the hundreds of LHD bmw's and audis that never made it to our market?
The bumper law doesn't really apply to someone personally importing a car, they know the risks when they purchase it.
Go to a subaru dealer and say, I want an RHD impreza/legacy/whatever. They'll have to order it, but they will.
if the RHD thing was an issue, then they'd say that in the laws.
Would a 1997 skoda LHD not be up to our standards?
or the hundreds of LHD bmw's and audis that never made it to our market?
The bumper law doesn't really apply to someone personally importing a car, they know the risks when they purchase it.
As for the other LHD vehicles, I guess we should buy 8, and crash test them. Once they pass, or fail, we will know for sure how they stack up.
Or just buy one 15 years old, get an inspection for a case of beer and drive it. We'll know how safe it is if it ever gets in a collision.
07-15-07, 02:35 PM
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what i fail to understand is why, if you are all for our current laws, would you play devils advocate and sympathize with the gov't...
they wanted to change the laws but because of us they didnt get to do it without going unnoticed, now they have to perform studies and unless the studies proove that these vehicles are unsafe for our roads, if they dont proove they are unsafe as a whole.... all imported vehicles, LHD, RHD, from the UK or Japan, they wont be able to change the laws...
and as for them targetting other vehicles than just imported ones.... why is it i still see rusted out junkers that have coat hangers holding the muffler up, bungie cords holding the bumper up, with a baby seat in the back...
sure there are POS japanese vehicles, but they are very few when it comes to ones that have been imported, however there are alot more domestic piles of crap than japanese ones, after all they have the shaken inspection process which keeps those junk vehicles off the roads, what do we have???
as for being able to afford new vehicles.... i know of a bunch of friends who have gone off and bought brand new cars, and they cant afford them but they bought it anyways because they needed something reliable, so now they are in debt, like most canadians when it comes to purchasing a new vehicle.... putting our country into personal debt isnt a good thing....
you say that if you look hard enough you can find what you are looking for here... well if i do a quick comparison of here VS there. i quickly notice that the vehicles here cost 2x as much as there for the same quality of vehicle...
here rx7's FD go for around 15-25k there they are sold for 5-15k BIG difference
here MarkVI supras go for 60k there they go for 10-20k even bigger difference...
here landcruisers go for 15k(and they are falling apart and dont have the turbo diesil option) there they go for 5-10k not such a bigg difference in price but you can get them with the diesil which saves money on fuel....
and those are jsut a couple options... the people who buy a imported vehicle buy it becuase you cant get a domestic of the same quality, for the same price...
they wanted to change the laws but because of us they didnt get to do it without going unnoticed, now they have to perform studies and unless the studies proove that these vehicles are unsafe for our roads, if they dont proove they are unsafe as a whole.... all imported vehicles, LHD, RHD, from the UK or Japan, they wont be able to change the laws...
and as for them targetting other vehicles than just imported ones.... why is it i still see rusted out junkers that have coat hangers holding the muffler up, bungie cords holding the bumper up, with a baby seat in the back...
sure there are POS japanese vehicles, but they are very few when it comes to ones that have been imported, however there are alot more domestic piles of crap than japanese ones, after all they have the shaken inspection process which keeps those junk vehicles off the roads, what do we have???
as for being able to afford new vehicles.... i know of a bunch of friends who have gone off and bought brand new cars, and they cant afford them but they bought it anyways because they needed something reliable, so now they are in debt, like most canadians when it comes to purchasing a new vehicle.... putting our country into personal debt isnt a good thing....
you say that if you look hard enough you can find what you are looking for here... well if i do a quick comparison of here VS there. i quickly notice that the vehicles here cost 2x as much as there for the same quality of vehicle...
here rx7's FD go for around 15-25k there they are sold for 5-15k BIG difference
here MarkVI supras go for 60k there they go for 10-20k even bigger difference...
here landcruisers go for 15k(and they are falling apart and dont have the turbo diesil option) there they go for 5-10k not such a bigg difference in price but you can get them with the diesil which saves money on fuel....
and those are jsut a couple options... the people who buy a imported vehicle buy it becuase you cant get a domestic of the same quality, for the same price...
I bought a skyline because it was never made here. That was my sole reason. Much like buying a 4runner with a Diesel.
But honestly, I cant think of anyone with the exception of me, and another fellow that have accually paid cash for their cars. I know about 10 guys that struggled to get financing to buy whatever it is they drive. I imagine 75% of the people out there HAVE paid cash for their cars. But the fact of the matter is, its much easier to finance a new car, than it is an old car. Everyone knows that.
New reliable car, or older car you have GREAT difficulty finding parts for.
Keep in mind the market is much different on cars. Here you dont have to pay a small fourtune for no reason to drive your older car. Also, we have a tiny bit more space to park our cars than in Japan. So what do you do with your old car? Well, since nobody wants it, sell it for peanuts.
Here on the other hand, I donno about you, but in my few years in calgary, I've only ever accually seen about 5 seperate Supra's on the road. I see them everywhere when I travel to the lower 48's. Fact of the matter is, the car is worth what its worth. You cant find one, you pay alot. when you can find a million you pay a little.
The only positive effect I've seen, is that when the JDM FD's started flooding the market, when I was looking for a LHD one, it accually went up in price, instead of down. Reason for not getting a JDM is simply because I cant fit in it comfortable like a domestic FD.
07-15-07, 05:31 PM
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wow you just made yourself look like a total fool...
you cant fit into a JDM FD and thats why you got a USDM FD.... your dumb so very very dumb.... no wonder you sided with the gov't you prolly workl for them...
im done trying to explain how good these vehicles are because like some people in this world you have made your mind up and instead of being skeptical you are cynical you should sell your FD and any other quality vehicle you own and buy a GM you dont deserve to own something thats quality... after all you will fit better in a GM anyways
i used the supras as amn example as soon as they are eligible for importation those 60k supras arent gonna be worht that anymore...
you cant fit into a JDM FD and thats why you got a USDM FD.... your dumb so very very dumb.... no wonder you sided with the gov't you prolly workl for them...
im done trying to explain how good these vehicles are because like some people in this world you have made your mind up and instead of being skeptical you are cynical you should sell your FD and any other quality vehicle you own and buy a GM you dont deserve to own something thats quality... after all you will fit better in a GM anyways
i used the supras as amn example as soon as they are eligible for importation those 60k supras arent gonna be worht that anymore...
07-15-07, 07:53 PM
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im done trying to explain how good these vehicles are because like some people in this world you have made your mind up and instead of being skeptical you are cynical you should sell your FD and any other quality vehicle you own and buy a GM you dont deserve to own something thats quality... after all you will fit better in a GM anyways
Grow up man. Im sure in a year, you'll be interested in some other car like a Citreon 2CV or something - and you'll be back here to defend how awesome a car that is.
Im pretty well done with this discussion, simply because everything that can be said, has been said. Only reason Im still going, its the courtesy of a response.
12-30-07, 12:47 PM
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You just proved you cant read. What grade are you in? 9? I said I couldn't fit comfortably, not that I couldn't fit. I can get in the car, drive and operate it like any other human. I just cant for an extended period of time. God did make all of us under 6 feet tall.
You make JDM's sound like the end all of cars. You make them sound like they are better at any age than any vehicle you can ever find here. You make them to be no comparison, and that if said rule changed, you'd cry yourself to death because you'd have no motor vehicles to praise anymore.
Grow up man. Im sure in a year, you'll be interested in some other car like a Citreon 2CV or something - and you'll be back here to defend how awesome a car that is.
They said the same thing about FD's. And guess what? Nothing has changed! A domestic FD is still worth $25,000 in great condition because, simply, thats what its worth.
Im pretty well done with this discussion, simply because everything that can be said, has been said. Only reason Im still going, its the courtesy of a response.
You make JDM's sound like the end all of cars. You make them sound like they are better at any age than any vehicle you can ever find here. You make them to be no comparison, and that if said rule changed, you'd cry yourself to death because you'd have no motor vehicles to praise anymore.
Grow up man. Im sure in a year, you'll be interested in some other car like a Citreon 2CV or something - and you'll be back here to defend how awesome a car that is.
They said the same thing about FD's. And guess what? Nothing has changed! A domestic FD is still worth $25,000 in great condition because, simply, thats what its worth.
Im pretty well done with this discussion, simply because everything that can be said, has been said. Only reason Im still going, its the courtesy of a response.
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ive seen more older guys in RHD vehicles than younger guys... however i have also seen more younger guys in sporty cars than older guys... but if you look at the numbers of the imported vehicles you will see that there are more SUV's and DD cars than sports cars coming over...
also do you know of any LHD skylines? or low km fd's or Fc's? i dont... the price and mileage is what makes these cars and suv's desireable...
for 10-15k you can get a VERY nice FC or decent FD from japan, but for 10-15k you might be able to get a honda
also do you know of any LHD skylines? or low km fd's or Fc's? i dont... the price and mileage is what makes these cars and suv's desireable...
for 10-15k you can get a VERY nice FC or decent FD from japan, but for 10-15k you might be able to get a honda
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