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06-22-07, 11:00 PM
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the 15yr rule
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is a website put together by the Import Vehicle Owners Association of Canada www.ivoac.ca
it is a group of people from coast to coast preventing the importation 15yr old rule from being changed to 25yrs, thus eliminating many great vehicles being available to us from around the world....
i urge you to sign up and see what its about it, if you have ever thought about purchasing a vehicle from Japan or the UK soon you may not be able to get one unless it is 25yrs old or older, that means no new rx-7's no FC rx-7's no skylines, no supras, no nothing that is any good...
is a website put together by the Import Vehicle Owners Association of Canada www.ivoac.ca
it is a group of people from coast to coast preventing the importation 15yr old rule from being changed to 25yrs, thus eliminating many great vehicles being available to us from around the world....
i urge you to sign up and see what its about it, if you have ever thought about purchasing a vehicle from Japan or the UK soon you may not be able to get one unless it is 25yrs old or older, that means no new rx-7's no FC rx-7's no skylines, no supras, no nothing that is any good...
06-22-07, 11:21 PM
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They (government) arn't looking to change the 15 year rule to 25 years. They are looking to revise the current rule, and see if its sufficent to safety standards. Basically, they want to prevent alot of garbage from coming over, then ending up around a pole with loss of life.
06-23-07, 09:20 PM
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you havent done your research like i have....
they feel that changing the rule to 25yrs will solve the problem.... by preventing that garbage from coming over... and too them all cars being brought in are garbage....
it doesnt matter what a bad driver drives be it an FD an skyline or a freakin honda, they will wrap themselves and the car around a pole
the garbage vehicles that have made it over and are on the roads are not the fault of the owner ofthe vehicle, or the importer whom ever it may be, the problem is with the inspection faciilities not doing proper inspections, part of that is due to lack of education and knowing waht they are looking at the other part is that they are lazy and dont care.... i know of a few cases where the inspection was done sitting at a desk, the inspector didnt even look at the car... because it was a VW and LHD, sure it was imported from the UK but the inspecter didnt care cause he was too lazy....
change is coming and if we sit on our ***'s and say "they wont change it" they the change that happens wont be in our favor...
i suggest that you go to www.15years.ca and read alot, and everyone else do the same if you are at all interested in ever getting an vehicle imported. voice yourself and things will happen
proof of this?
well when this issue first became an issue they were demanding(and still are for somethings) that these vehicles be made compliant to provincial regulations even though they are exempt from federal regulations, one of the things they were demanding be made compliant is tail lights, they wanted you to have DOT tail lights, but thankfully a person who is now a member at www.15years.ca had a study done at his own expense and it it prooved tail lights to meet or exceed our standards. they also demanded DOT tires, which has been changed as long as you can proove which tires they are and what the ratings for the tires are, thats easy if the tires have a NA model... they also wanted DOT windsheilds now they except AS1 and AS2 glass......... now all thy require for complaince is DRTL's, 3rd brake light, DOT approved head lights, and a working neutral safety switch only if it came OEM, they also require a catalytic converter, even on kei cars, which is being changed to allow kei cars with engines that have 660cc or less to not have a cat converter....
if it wasnt for members at www.15years.ca or www.ivoac.ca (same site just diff url) the change of this importation rule would have already happend in feburary, now it may happen this fall pending studies being performed by TC...
we have had news papers and TV news do stories about this change that is coming, hopefully the change will be in our favor and not against it.... and if it works for us then we have a chance to get the rule changed to maybe less because one of TC's first reasons was that these vehicles are unsafe due to there age, so if thats the reason then they should say no vehicles that are 20yrs or older but allow vehicles that are newer and safer.... so go check it out for yourself and see all the stuff we are doing to make this change not happen in a bad way, maybe you can help you may know someone or something that has not been brought up the more soldiers we have the better the chance for victory....
they feel that changing the rule to 25yrs will solve the problem.... by preventing that garbage from coming over... and too them all cars being brought in are garbage....
it doesnt matter what a bad driver drives be it an FD an skyline or a freakin honda, they will wrap themselves and the car around a pole
the garbage vehicles that have made it over and are on the roads are not the fault of the owner ofthe vehicle, or the importer whom ever it may be, the problem is with the inspection faciilities not doing proper inspections, part of that is due to lack of education and knowing waht they are looking at the other part is that they are lazy and dont care.... i know of a few cases where the inspection was done sitting at a desk, the inspector didnt even look at the car... because it was a VW and LHD, sure it was imported from the UK but the inspecter didnt care cause he was too lazy....
change is coming and if we sit on our ***'s and say "they wont change it" they the change that happens wont be in our favor...
i suggest that you go to www.15years.ca and read alot, and everyone else do the same if you are at all interested in ever getting an vehicle imported. voice yourself and things will happen
proof of this?
well when this issue first became an issue they were demanding(and still are for somethings) that these vehicles be made compliant to provincial regulations even though they are exempt from federal regulations, one of the things they were demanding be made compliant is tail lights, they wanted you to have DOT tail lights, but thankfully a person who is now a member at www.15years.ca had a study done at his own expense and it it prooved tail lights to meet or exceed our standards. they also demanded DOT tires, which has been changed as long as you can proove which tires they are and what the ratings for the tires are, thats easy if the tires have a NA model... they also wanted DOT windsheilds now they except AS1 and AS2 glass......... now all thy require for complaince is DRTL's, 3rd brake light, DOT approved head lights, and a working neutral safety switch only if it came OEM, they also require a catalytic converter, even on kei cars, which is being changed to allow kei cars with engines that have 660cc or less to not have a cat converter....
if it wasnt for members at www.15years.ca or www.ivoac.ca (same site just diff url) the change of this importation rule would have already happend in feburary, now it may happen this fall pending studies being performed by TC...
we have had news papers and TV news do stories about this change that is coming, hopefully the change will be in our favor and not against it.... and if it works for us then we have a chance to get the rule changed to maybe less because one of TC's first reasons was that these vehicles are unsafe due to there age, so if thats the reason then they should say no vehicles that are 20yrs or older but allow vehicles that are newer and safer.... so go check it out for yourself and see all the stuff we are doing to make this change not happen in a bad way, maybe you can help you may know someone or something that has not been brought up the more soldiers we have the better the chance for victory....
06-23-07, 09:26 PM
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In practice it'll likely be like cars from the US under 15 years old. That is, each model will have a pass/fail on whether it meets Canadian safety standards.
This is actually a good thing; Canada has some of the highest safety standards in the world; higher than the US. We benefit from ECE lighting, 5mph bumpers, etc. etc.
This is actually a good thing; Canada has some of the highest safety standards in the world; higher than the US. We benefit from ECE lighting, 5mph bumpers, etc. etc.
06-23-07, 09:47 PM
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well nope your wrong there too... currently you can import many new vehicles from the USA as long as they are on the admissable list...
the rule right now is vehicles 15yrs or older can come in from any country but they still have to meet provincial regulations, and they want to change it to 25yrs...
as for Canada having the highest saftey standards... sure ours are slightly higher than the USA.... BUT our regulations the CMVSS is just about a cut/paste of the USA's FMVSS... and just because our standards are high doesnt make our roads any safer, i am pretty sure we are 2nd place when it comes worst saftey records in the world.... the USA is first...
another reason for TC's push on this rule is to harmonize our standards with the rest of the world, except that the USA and Aus, are the only countries that have this kind of rule in place... and Harmonizing with the USA especially when it comes to vehicle saftey standards isnt a good thing.... if anything we should be following what europe and japan do, things like the 'shaken inspection' would greatly benefit Canadians because it would remove old junker vehicles that are falling apart from our roads, it may make owning older vehicles more difficult but then you wouldnt see junkers of any type on the roads, you would only see vehicles that are new or certified safe
the rule right now is vehicles 15yrs or older can come in from any country but they still have to meet provincial regulations, and they want to change it to 25yrs...
as for Canada having the highest saftey standards... sure ours are slightly higher than the USA.... BUT our regulations the CMVSS is just about a cut/paste of the USA's FMVSS... and just because our standards are high doesnt make our roads any safer, i am pretty sure we are 2nd place when it comes worst saftey records in the world.... the USA is first...
another reason for TC's push on this rule is to harmonize our standards with the rest of the world, except that the USA and Aus, are the only countries that have this kind of rule in place... and Harmonizing with the USA especially when it comes to vehicle saftey standards isnt a good thing.... if anything we should be following what europe and japan do, things like the 'shaken inspection' would greatly benefit Canadians because it would remove old junker vehicles that are falling apart from our roads, it may make owning older vehicles more difficult but then you wouldnt see junkers of any type on the roads, you would only see vehicles that are new or certified safe
06-24-07, 12:40 AM
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Frankly, I've read most of the propaganda. And, unfourtunately, Im inclinded to agree from a logical and economical stand-point. Im all for imports (owned a skyline), but I have a family now, so Im more of a saferty standpoint.
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People abusing the system is the cause of this. I could go on for days about this one, and have undenable facts. Simply put, when I bought my car, it was never accually inspected. It was a case of beer deal. When I received the car and paper work, it was off to MY mechanic to get it checked out. The sheet said it passed. My mechanic said it needed $1500 in parts, which were obviously worn. Oh, and the safety sheet said 4-Door instead of the 2-Door it was.
I dont know any other way to say this than to point out that this is about safety. A car that was never availiable in canadian market, will never be able to meet our standards.
They can just tighten the safety stuff we have to do to the car right? Thats what the 25 year rule will do. If your JDM Skyline can't meet the safety requirments of our Canadian Skyline, then you simply can't have that unsafe car!
Canadian government has a habit of just stopping **** instead of fixing it.
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People abusing the system is the cause of this. I could go on for days about this one, and have undenable facts. Simply put, when I bought my car, it was never accually inspected. It was a case of beer deal. When I received the car and paper work, it was off to MY mechanic to get it checked out. The sheet said it passed. My mechanic said it needed $1500 in parts, which were obviously worn. Oh, and the safety sheet said 4-Door instead of the 2-Door it was.
I dont know any other way to say this than to point out that this is about safety. A car that was never availiable in canadian market, will never be able to meet our standards.
They can just tighten the safety stuff we have to do to the car right? Thats what the 25 year rule will do. If your JDM Skyline can't meet the safety requirments of our Canadian Skyline, then you simply can't have that unsafe car!
Canadian government has a habit of just stopping **** instead of fixing it.
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exactly so instead of letting them stop it we will make them fix the problem...
but what about all those vehicles that were available here and there? such as FD FC, dare i say honda's, supras, etc etc etc....
while some of the vehicles coming over were not available in our market at the time of production that doesnt mean they would not have met the standards that were in place at the time.
the 25yr rule will prevent vehicles that are desired from being available, which is why we are fighting to keep the 15yr rule in place...
as for safety if i were to put a camry with a driver beside a viper beside a jacked up 4x4 beside a skyline and ask you to point out which vehicle is dangerous, the only right answer is the camry becuase it has a driver...
its the same thing with guns, guns dont shoot people, people do... for cars its
cars dont crash drivers do....
but what about all those vehicles that were available here and there? such as FD FC, dare i say honda's, supras, etc etc etc....
while some of the vehicles coming over were not available in our market at the time of production that doesnt mean they would not have met the standards that were in place at the time.
the 25yr rule will prevent vehicles that are desired from being available, which is why we are fighting to keep the 15yr rule in place...
as for safety if i were to put a camry with a driver beside a viper beside a jacked up 4x4 beside a skyline and ask you to point out which vehicle is dangerous, the only right answer is the camry becuase it has a driver...
its the same thing with guns, guns dont shoot people, people do... for cars its
cars dont crash drivers do....
06-24-07, 05:51 PM
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^---- are you refering to vehicles with RHD?
because if you are that is only a very minor issue, after all would you pass on a 1 lane high way if you couldnt see past? or would you make a left turn if you could see if its clear? no of course you wouldnt you would wait until you know its safe.... again that comes down to the driver...
and if that was an issue.... then there would be alot of accidents happening with RHD vehicles when in fact there is a much much much lower accident ratio rate comparing imported vehicles to domestic vehicles...
because if you are that is only a very minor issue, after all would you pass on a 1 lane high way if you couldnt see past? or would you make a left turn if you could see if its clear? no of course you wouldnt you would wait until you know its safe.... again that comes down to the driver...
and if that was an issue.... then there would be alot of accidents happening with RHD vehicles when in fact there is a much much much lower accident ratio rate comparing imported vehicles to domestic vehicles...
06-24-07, 10:05 PM
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I find it ironic that the same car that reduces the drivers ability to see oncoming traffic, also blinds oncoming traffic at night time.
Any other RHD cars here bother to turn their headlights the proper way?
And yes, FD's, FC's and such were availiable everywhere. But unless you convert it to Left Hand Drive, it will never meet our standards. If that were not part of the issue, then you could goto the dealer and order a Right Hand Drive RX-8.
Im taking the other side of the arguement because alot of people around just doesnt get it. People abused the system and the government is forcing change.
People abused the 'Hot Rod' system and now in ontario, they are implementing a regulation that states if the car didnt come with that engine (Stock or optional), you cant put it in. Alberta is following suit.
People abused guns so they implemented gun control. They could ban guns, but they would still be around (those that have em, or smuggle them). They can ban cars because they are much easier to control.
There are many solutions to the 15 year rule. Lowering to 10 years would improve the safety of the cars for example. But the easiest way is to just send it back 10 years. Its the most obvious example of how this government works.
And I have sent donations to IVOAC. I dont like to see rules change, but I think its the only way it can shock people into thinking what they did wrong.
If it were me, I would change safety inspections to the same regulations as Insurance Write off inspections. The checklist is about the size of a phonebook.
Any other RHD cars here bother to turn their headlights the proper way?
And yes, FD's, FC's and such were availiable everywhere. But unless you convert it to Left Hand Drive, it will never meet our standards. If that were not part of the issue, then you could goto the dealer and order a Right Hand Drive RX-8.
Im taking the other side of the arguement because alot of people around just doesnt get it. People abused the system and the government is forcing change.
People abused the 'Hot Rod' system and now in ontario, they are implementing a regulation that states if the car didnt come with that engine (Stock or optional), you cant put it in. Alberta is following suit.
People abused guns so they implemented gun control. They could ban guns, but they would still be around (those that have em, or smuggle them). They can ban cars because they are much easier to control.
There are many solutions to the 15 year rule. Lowering to 10 years would improve the safety of the cars for example. But the easiest way is to just send it back 10 years. Its the most obvious example of how this government works.
And I have sent donations to IVOAC. I dont like to see rules change, but I think its the only way it can shock people into thinking what they did wrong.
If it were me, I would change safety inspections to the same regulations as Insurance Write off inspections. The checklist is about the size of a phonebook.
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but not all the vehicles being imported are RHD, many that are coming from the UK are LHD... so why should they also have there business ruined?
there are at least 10 import dealerships across BC they started a legal business, pay taxes, provide employment and stimulate local economies. they did this according to the LAW and if the law gets changed those people will be out of a career, there is more at stake here than just people buying cars....
there are at least 10 import dealerships across BC they started a legal business, pay taxes, provide employment and stimulate local economies. they did this according to the LAW and if the law gets changed those people will be out of a career, there is more at stake here than just people buying cars....
06-27-07, 09:33 PM
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That's what I said, dumbass - hence the 'under 15 years old' reference re: US cars in my previous post. If you're going to tell someone they're wrong, read their post first, mkay sparky?
06-27-07, 11:30 PM
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If the car is LHD and was availiable here, then the 15 year rule only applies if it cannot become compliant with our safety standards. Which is unlikely if it was sold here and the imported car is LHD (Example: Porsche 911) If it wasnt availiable to our standards, but is LHD (Example: Evo VIII) Then its treated same as a skyline and must be 15 years or older, or be able to become complaint.
The Rule is really simple.
On a side note: Some Evo VIII's got here through a loophole, which was quickly closed. It was the same loophole that allowed you to insure an SRT-4 as a standard Econo Neon. Both those instances were quickly changed.
As for Carrer's. Im in the Oil/Gas industry. Emmissions, laws and economic resess are ruining my carrer, I know how it feels. Alls I can do is get what I can, while I can.
The government wouldn't do something unless they had a damn good reason too.
The Rule is really simple.
On a side note: Some Evo VIII's got here through a loophole, which was quickly closed. It was the same loophole that allowed you to insure an SRT-4 as a standard Econo Neon. Both those instances were quickly changed.
As for Carrer's. Im in the Oil/Gas industry. Emmissions, laws and economic resess are ruining my carrer, I know how it feels. Alls I can do is get what I can, while I can.
The government wouldn't do something unless they had a damn good reason too.
06-28-07, 03:13 AM
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they arnt changing the rule to 25 years anytime soon.. the only threat of that was in march i beilive , but the bill didnt pass, thus 15 yr rule stays into play, and think about it , they can stop cars from coming but that dosent mean they can get rid of the THOUSANDS of cars that are here and being insured/ drivin already!
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yes of course the vehicles that are already here will be grandfathered in...
but i want to see R34's and more FD's on the road, as well as poopra's and other vehicles that will be available with in the next few years...
this bill may still get passed this year... it wont happen without a fight but it still may happen.... thats why i am asking for people to help out and talk to there politiicians and other people to get the truth out there that there truly isnt a safety issue with these vehicles for if there was a saftey issue then we would be hearing about how lots and lots of RHD imported vehicles are falling apart and crashing as a result....
but i want to see R34's and more FD's on the road, as well as poopra's and other vehicles that will be available with in the next few years...
this bill may still get passed this year... it wont happen without a fight but it still may happen.... thats why i am asking for people to help out and talk to there politiicians and other people to get the truth out there that there truly isnt a safety issue with these vehicles for if there was a saftey issue then we would be hearing about how lots and lots of RHD imported vehicles are falling apart and crashing as a result....
06-28-07, 01:22 PM
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they arnt changing the rule to 25 years anytime soon.. the only threat of that was in march i beilive , but the bill didnt pass, thus 15 yr rule stays into play, and think about it , they can stop cars from coming but that dosent mean they can get rid of the THOUSANDS of cars that are here and being insured/ drivin already!
This is true... they will be getting in over their heads pretty soon. The market is expanding exponentially. Changing legislation to ban imports will upset a lot of buisnesses and people, including myself. I really hope the rule doesnt change to 25 years.... ive got two more FD's to bring in for my project.
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if this kind of issue is going to affect you, i suggest you join up at www.15years.ca and find out who to talk too, there is a TON of info on the site, there is NO commercialism, its only about the issue, how to make your vehicle compliant, what shops actually will inspect your vehicle, lots of helpful info with lots of helpful people.
if you do have commercial/business intrests there is another site also dedicated to the fight, and that is www.cavi.ca
while it may not happen over night, change is coming, and without proper guidance our political leaders will run us into mirk and mire
if you do have commercial/business intrests there is another site also dedicated to the fight, and that is www.cavi.ca
while it may not happen over night, change is coming, and without proper guidance our political leaders will run us into mirk and mire
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This is the main reason why 'kids' (ie younger people) should participate in politics. When issues like this come up (that mainly effect the younger crowd), they have no power whatsoever.
That's great that website is setup, but no one is going to care if they really want to pass the 25 year law. It's the same reason they're crushing cars in Ontario for street racing. Because they know kids = no political power.
(I know, I'm generalizing here, but seriously, get INVOLVED politically!)
That's great that website is setup, but no one is going to care if they really want to pass the 25 year law. It's the same reason they're crushing cars in Ontario for street racing. Because they know kids = no political power.
(I know, I'm generalizing here, but seriously, get INVOLVED politically!)
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they havent crushed a single street racers car yet.... the car they crushed was a drug dealers car not a street racer, the car had nothing to do with street racing...
as for the rule change, it would have gone through in March but it didnt because of private citizens voicing concern, then those people banded together, we even have a pending membership with the CCMTA which will allow our voices to be even greater heard...
as for the rule change, it would have gone through in March but it didnt because of private citizens voicing concern, then those people banded together, we even have a pending membership with the CCMTA which will allow our voices to be even greater heard...
06-29-07, 03:56 AM
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This is true... they will be getting in over their heads pretty soon. The market is expanding exponentially. Changing legislation to ban imports will upset a lot of buisnesses and people, including myself. I really hope the rule doesnt change to 25 years.... ive got two more FD's to bring in for my project.
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true! would badly effect me too because i work for a import company
+ i would LOVE TO SEE / own a R34 skyline whoo wee , they are sexy 
when are they having another vote on changing the rules? it pretty much all depends on those youngsters that just get there licence/ irresponcible/ people , and wow you can import a fast car for soo cheap! so they do then end up wrapping it around a pole or getting in accidents injuring other people beacause they have rather not owned a car that fast or they havent adaped to RHD fully , or both combined! , and because of peoples stupidity like that thats why they would change the rules (aiming towards the street racers mostly) not that i condone street racing, just dont do it on the highway / city streets where there are people or cars! anyways, im sure you guys get what im trying to say 
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not its not due to dumb kids wrrapping themselves around a pole, from 2000-2004 there were 80 collisions involving imported vehicles, 1 person died and 1 person was seriously injured, in the same time frame, there were over 500,000 collisions, over 10,000 deaths and over 50,000 serious injuries involving domestic vehicles.
so far there is an estimated 73,000+ vehicles that have been imported to Canada from other countries, this includes, all atv's, cars, trucks, snowmobiles, motorcycles, basically every vehicle.
those youngsters if they buy a car like a skyline or an FD usually dont keep it long enough to crash it because they cant afford the regular maintenance these vehicles require. and besides take away imported vehicles and those kids will find something else to be stupid in.
so far there is an estimated 73,000+ vehicles that have been imported to Canada from other countries, this includes, all atv's, cars, trucks, snowmobiles, motorcycles, basically every vehicle.
those youngsters if they buy a car like a skyline or an FD usually dont keep it long enough to crash it because they cant afford the regular maintenance these vehicles require. and besides take away imported vehicles and those kids will find something else to be stupid in.
06-30-07, 07:58 PM
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Yes, certainly lots of Honda's and 4 cyl Mustangs end up in wrecks at the hands of inexperienced drivers - stupidity will find a way! And there's lots of relatively powerful 10-20yr old Mustang v8's around cheap enough for kids to buy and get into trouble in as well.