Kilo Racing 3 Rotor FD Conversion
Originally Posted by mirabile
I am sure he can handle himself on the road.
David, will you be able to post some pictures soon? I am very interested in seeing your water injection system.
David, will you be able to post some pictures soon? I am very interested in seeing your water injection system.
Originally Posted by David Hayes
If I can I'm also going to go to Gotham for the tuning session so I might be able to post then.
Make it happen!... Good Luck!
Dwayne
Update: Getting Close
Thought I would share an update with you regarding the completion of the single turbo upgrade on my FD. Per Gotham Rcing, as of last week, the following needs to be completed:
-completion of water injection system (tentative to completion of fabricated reservoir in order to position oil cooler and complete wiring)
-coolant filler neck / upper hose
-fabricate intercooler pipes, send to powder coat
-recirculate wastegate outlet back into downpipe
-re-install front bumper and headlight covers (driver side light needs new PIAA H4 bulb)
-install PLX gauges (pending arrival)
-power steering cooler brackets
-complete install of boost controller
Add Steve actually tuning the car to the above list, and that's about it. Nothing big or major, just several little things that obviously need to be finalized before the tuning can begin.
As for the items already completed, let's just say Gotham has been busy fixing the mess created by the shop in CA. Here is a list of the work completed to date. I kept hearing from the CA shop they were just a few hours way from completing the job. What do you think?
Gotham work:
Quantity Description
4 Install Fuel System
1 Remove fuel pumps and inspect wiring
2.5 rewire fuel pumps and relay to computer
1 Rewire Fuel injector connectors to accept top feed injectors
8 Complete engine wiring (Wolf ECU)
1 Rewired A/C circuit
2 Rewired Fog Lights
3 reinstalled battery relocation
0.5 Install radiator hoses
1.75 Complete install coolant system
1 Install Blow off Valve
1 Removed lower intake manifold due to no gasket from previous shop
(Intake ports were full of dirt and metal shavings)
0.2 Vacuumed out intake ports
0.5 R/R oil metering pump lines
6 Install single turbo kit (includes fabrication of oil and coolant lines)
0.5 Install midpipe and modify exhaust hanger
2.5 Removed Wolf 3D computer and harness
6 Installed and fabricated A/C system Includes installing A/C compressor,
condenser, receiver drier, and Fabrication of A/C lines
13 Installed Haltech E11
0.5 Install missing front and rear SS brake line kits
2 R/R Oil meeting pump (old was missing all the wiring)
2 Fabrication of new brackets for MSD coils
3 Install -6 steel braided hose for the entire fuel system
(from tank to engine to fuel filters)
0.5 Install cruise control and modify throttle cable for 3 rotor
0.5 R/R Throttle body for polishing
3 Reposition oil coolers and fabricate mounting brackets and hardware
0.5 R/R Alternator
1 Shop Supplies (chemicals, fasteners, supplies, etc...)
1 20 B Secondary Fuel Rail
1 20 B Primary Fuel Rail
6 Injector Spacers
3 850cc Top Feed Injector
3 1600cc Top Feed Injector
3 1600cc Injector Connectors
1 fittings for fuel rail
2 #6 ST. Auto
2 St #6 to 1/4
2 ST #6 to 3/8
10 #6 Steel braided hose
2 6MJ-6MP
1 Tial 50mm Blow Off Valve
1 Goodridge Stainless Steel Oil Metering Pump Lines for
3 Rotor engine
1 #6 To 3/8 NPT
1 Custom Downpipe
1 Custom Intercooler piping
1 Condenser, Base, R1
1 94 Black Receiver Drier
1 A/C compressor, FD3S
4 Brake Line Clip, FD3S
2 A/C O-ring
6 A/C O-ring
3 A/C O-ring
1 Pipe, Cool
1 Pipe
1 Pipe no.4
1 A/C pag oil
1 Gasket
1 Water Pump housing rear gasket 3 hole
2 ST #6 to 1/8
2 ST #6 to ¼
1 E11V2 Flying Lead Kit -
The E11V2 Flying Lead Kit includes: - ECU
Programmable Computer - 3 power relays -
Programming Cable -Fuse Block Assembly on Harness -
Instruction Manual -Programming CD - Flying Lead*
Milspec type Main Wiring Harness - Haltech Stickers (best part of kit)
1 3/8 NPT 18tpi Air Temp Sensor
1 Coolant Temp Snsr, Lg Thread (3/8 NPT 18tpi)
1 PLX SM-AFR
1 Install all braided SS fuel lines
1 Polishing - Throttle Body
1 Freight/Shipping on 3 rotor turbos
1 Used Stock wire harness (used it for sensors connectors)
1 Aquamist Prototype Kit
48 #6 Steel braided hose
1 Bracket, Driver Shock Tower, Relay Box
1 misc bolts and hardware for mounting msd coils
2 Endura Metric Adap #6x18MM
2 Endura Metric Adap #6x14mm
3 Endura Hose End, 6 Straight
1 Endura Full Flow 120 Degree Swivel
4 Endura Full Flow 90 Degree Swivel
1 Endura full flow swivel tight radius
2 Endura Full Flow Swivel Tight Radius Hose End
2 Endura Full Flow 45 degree Swivel
6 1600cc Injector Connectors
10 Hose technique black 3.5mm hoses/ft
6 MSD Coil GM LS Series LS1,2,6
2 3rd Gen Fuel Filter
1 Haltech 3bar MAP Sensor
1 Haltech 3bar MAP Sensor Connector
1 80 Amp Fuel Pump Relay
2 Bosch 30 amp relay (cooling fan)
2 Bosch 30 amp relay harness
1 Odyssey PC 1200 battery
1 Battery relocation kit
6 1/2 High heat resistant (H245 HI-R)
1 Water Pump housing rear gasket 3 hole
1 Water pump gasket
1 Gotham Racing 200 Amp FD Alternator
1 Polished Alternator case
1 2-1/16 Dual Pillar 93-95 Mazda Rx7
2 Longacre Heat Sleave 1-1/8x36
Anyway, that's it for now. Will keep you updated as more is finalized.
-completion of water injection system (tentative to completion of fabricated reservoir in order to position oil cooler and complete wiring)
-coolant filler neck / upper hose
-fabricate intercooler pipes, send to powder coat
-recirculate wastegate outlet back into downpipe
-re-install front bumper and headlight covers (driver side light needs new PIAA H4 bulb)
-install PLX gauges (pending arrival)
-power steering cooler brackets
-complete install of boost controller
Add Steve actually tuning the car to the above list, and that's about it. Nothing big or major, just several little things that obviously need to be finalized before the tuning can begin.
As for the items already completed, let's just say Gotham has been busy fixing the mess created by the shop in CA. Here is a list of the work completed to date. I kept hearing from the CA shop they were just a few hours way from completing the job. What do you think?
Gotham work:
Quantity Description
4 Install Fuel System
1 Remove fuel pumps and inspect wiring
2.5 rewire fuel pumps and relay to computer
1 Rewire Fuel injector connectors to accept top feed injectors
8 Complete engine wiring (Wolf ECU)
1 Rewired A/C circuit
2 Rewired Fog Lights
3 reinstalled battery relocation
0.5 Install radiator hoses
1.75 Complete install coolant system
1 Install Blow off Valve
1 Removed lower intake manifold due to no gasket from previous shop
(Intake ports were full of dirt and metal shavings)
0.2 Vacuumed out intake ports
0.5 R/R oil metering pump lines
6 Install single turbo kit (includes fabrication of oil and coolant lines)
0.5 Install midpipe and modify exhaust hanger
2.5 Removed Wolf 3D computer and harness
6 Installed and fabricated A/C system Includes installing A/C compressor,
condenser, receiver drier, and Fabrication of A/C lines
13 Installed Haltech E11
0.5 Install missing front and rear SS brake line kits
2 R/R Oil meeting pump (old was missing all the wiring)
2 Fabrication of new brackets for MSD coils
3 Install -6 steel braided hose for the entire fuel system
(from tank to engine to fuel filters)
0.5 Install cruise control and modify throttle cable for 3 rotor
0.5 R/R Throttle body for polishing
3 Reposition oil coolers and fabricate mounting brackets and hardware
0.5 R/R Alternator
1 Shop Supplies (chemicals, fasteners, supplies, etc...)
1 20 B Secondary Fuel Rail
1 20 B Primary Fuel Rail
6 Injector Spacers
3 850cc Top Feed Injector
3 1600cc Top Feed Injector
3 1600cc Injector Connectors
1 fittings for fuel rail
2 #6 ST. Auto
2 St #6 to 1/4
2 ST #6 to 3/8
10 #6 Steel braided hose
2 6MJ-6MP
1 Tial 50mm Blow Off Valve
1 Goodridge Stainless Steel Oil Metering Pump Lines for
3 Rotor engine
1 #6 To 3/8 NPT
1 Custom Downpipe
1 Custom Intercooler piping
1 Condenser, Base, R1
1 94 Black Receiver Drier
1 A/C compressor, FD3S
4 Brake Line Clip, FD3S
2 A/C O-ring
6 A/C O-ring
3 A/C O-ring
1 Pipe, Cool
1 Pipe
1 Pipe no.4
1 A/C pag oil
1 Gasket
1 Water Pump housing rear gasket 3 hole
2 ST #6 to 1/8
2 ST #6 to ¼
1 E11V2 Flying Lead Kit -
The E11V2 Flying Lead Kit includes: - ECU
Programmable Computer - 3 power relays -
Programming Cable -Fuse Block Assembly on Harness -
Instruction Manual -Programming CD - Flying Lead*
Milspec type Main Wiring Harness - Haltech Stickers (best part of kit)

1 3/8 NPT 18tpi Air Temp Sensor
1 Coolant Temp Snsr, Lg Thread (3/8 NPT 18tpi)
1 PLX SM-AFR
1 Install all braided SS fuel lines
1 Polishing - Throttle Body
1 Freight/Shipping on 3 rotor turbos
1 Used Stock wire harness (used it for sensors connectors)
1 Aquamist Prototype Kit
48 #6 Steel braided hose
1 Bracket, Driver Shock Tower, Relay Box
1 misc bolts and hardware for mounting msd coils
2 Endura Metric Adap #6x18MM
2 Endura Metric Adap #6x14mm
3 Endura Hose End, 6 Straight
1 Endura Full Flow 120 Degree Swivel
4 Endura Full Flow 90 Degree Swivel
1 Endura full flow swivel tight radius
2 Endura Full Flow Swivel Tight Radius Hose End
2 Endura Full Flow 45 degree Swivel
6 1600cc Injector Connectors
10 Hose technique black 3.5mm hoses/ft
6 MSD Coil GM LS Series LS1,2,6
2 3rd Gen Fuel Filter
1 Haltech 3bar MAP Sensor
1 Haltech 3bar MAP Sensor Connector
1 80 Amp Fuel Pump Relay
2 Bosch 30 amp relay (cooling fan)
2 Bosch 30 amp relay harness
1 Odyssey PC 1200 battery
1 Battery relocation kit
6 1/2 High heat resistant (H245 HI-R)
1 Water Pump housing rear gasket 3 hole
1 Water pump gasket
1 Gotham Racing 200 Amp FD Alternator
1 Polished Alternator case
1 2-1/16 Dual Pillar 93-95 Mazda Rx7
2 Longacre Heat Sleave 1-1/8x36
Anyway, that's it for now. Will keep you updated as more is finalized.
I noticed you're using a PC 1200 battery. I was debating between that and the 925. I went with the 925 -hope I made the right choice :p
Since you're using -6 fuel line I take it you are running two feeds from the tank -1 per rail.
Looks like it is coming along!
Since you're using -6 fuel line I take it you are running two feeds from the tank -1 per rail.
Looks like it is coming along!
Originally Posted by CMonakar
I noticed you're using a PC 1200 battery. I was debating between that and the 925. I went with the 925 -hope I made the right choice :p
Since you're using -6 fuel line I take it you are running two feeds from the tank -1 per rail.
Looks like it is coming along!
Since you're using -6 fuel line I take it you are running two feeds from the tank -1 per rail.
Looks like it is coming along!
Originally Posted by jimlab
At 12+ psi.
I've heard a lot of things about the Banzai... I've just never seen any of them backed up with a real dyno sheet or any independent reports. All I see is a lot of "Cam says...". Of course "Cam says". He's trying to sell the conversion.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, Mark. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my engine. I obviously had more than enough money to build whatever I wanted, including a 1,200+ RWHP dyno queen as useless for real world driving as the 600 RWHP 20B mentioned previously, and yet I built a naturally aspirated pump gas small block that will end up somewhere around 500-550 RWHP. Something to think about.
You might say I'm more interested in "truth in advertising" or stopping the spreading of misinformation. I've seen enough "1,000 horsepower 20B" threads started to last me a lifetime, but people seem to believe it's as easy as bolting on a few parts, and they got that belief from reading other threads full of the same misinformation about the 20B.
John Pham (LT1-7) found space for a couple turbos...

I've heard a lot of things about the Banzai... I've just never seen any of them backed up with a real dyno sheet or any independent reports. All I see is a lot of "Cam says...". Of course "Cam says". He's trying to sell the conversion.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, Mark. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my engine. I obviously had more than enough money to build whatever I wanted, including a 1,200+ RWHP dyno queen as useless for real world driving as the 600 RWHP 20B mentioned previously, and yet I built a naturally aspirated pump gas small block that will end up somewhere around 500-550 RWHP. Something to think about.
You might say I'm more interested in "truth in advertising" or stopping the spreading of misinformation. I've seen enough "1,000 horsepower 20B" threads started to last me a lifetime, but people seem to believe it's as easy as bolting on a few parts, and they got that belief from reading other threads full of the same misinformation about the 20B.
John Pham (LT1-7) found space for a couple turbos...

OK, I'm confused. Pettit did the full blown conversion, had a problem tuning with the ECU they chose and left the twins. How can you need all this redone unless the CA guy trashed all the Pettit work?
Originally Posted by David Hayes
Yeah, I'd probably post a "LOL" but it's my car and I was pretty pissed when they called me with this. All's well now though.
Originally Posted by Madee
OK, I'm confused. Pettit did the full blown conversion, had a problem tuning with the ECU they chose and left the twins. How can you need all this redone unless the CA guy trashed all the Pettit work?
Originally Posted by Rotary Experiment Seven
I bet it will make 1000 hp on pump gas too

that is some list!
i was kinda squinty eyed at the hours being charged though, i mean they coulda thrown you a bone for the .5 hour radiator hose install since the whole thing was torn apart anyways. alot of that is just overlapping labor time.
i was kinda squinty eyed at the hours being charged though, i mean they coulda thrown you a bone for the .5 hour radiator hose install since the whole thing was torn apart anyways. alot of that is just overlapping labor time.
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Originally Posted by Karack
that is some list!
i was kinda squinty eyed at the hours being charged though, i mean they coulda thrown you a bone for the .5 hour radiator hose install since the whole thing was torn apart anyways. alot of that is just overlapping labor time.
i was kinda squinty eyed at the hours being charged though, i mean they coulda thrown you a bone for the .5 hour radiator hose install since the whole thing was torn apart anyways. alot of that is just overlapping labor time.

Yes, the list is long. Multiple things were wrong with the car - most, but not all, were caused by Wolf in CA. For whatever reason, Chris at Wolf decided to rewire the car, causing significant issues. He also removed parts of the car (headlight covers and cruise control for example) that didn't need to be removed.
It was a shock to me the number of things that were wrong with the car. I went over the car prior to sending it to CA and I can tell you it was in great shape. Have pics to back this up too but it's really not relevant. It's best just to move on. Look at it this way - the car will be just about completely brand new now.
It would be nice to catch a "break" as described above but the important thing is the issues are being addressed and fixed. I'm sure Gotham will treat me right.
I've asked Brock at Gotham to give me an estimate on the completion date. Hope it's soon. The weather's great in FL now.
It was a shock to me the number of things that were wrong with the car. I went over the car prior to sending it to CA and I can tell you it was in great shape. Have pics to back this up too but it's really not relevant. It's best just to move on. Look at it this way - the car will be just about completely brand new now.
It would be nice to catch a "break" as described above but the important thing is the issues are being addressed and fixed. I'm sure Gotham will treat me right.
I've asked Brock at Gotham to give me an estimate on the completion date. Hope it's soon. The weather's great in FL now.
i'm not arguing that Chris totally hosed you, i don't even refer my tuning customers to him anymore because a) he doesn't pick up his phone and b) he treats them like **** and then tries to sell them a WOLF EMS... i didn't send them to him for an EMS i sent them to him for a 2 hour tune. even his ex-employees are telling me they got the shaft after his whole downward spiral.
i agree with your rants about him.
i agree with your rants about him.
I could not believe your most recent post. I hope the next post is you with a big smile driving your car down the street. Best of luck.
Originally Posted by David Hayes
Yes, the list is long. Multiple things were wrong with the car - most, but not all, were caused by Wolf in CA. For whatever reason, Chris at Wolf decided to rewire the car, causing significant issues. He also removed parts of the car (headlight covers and cruise control for example) that didn't need to be removed.
It was a shock to me the number of things that were wrong with the car. I went over the car prior to sending it to CA and I can tell you it was in great shape. Have pics to back this up too but it's really not relevant. It's best just to move on. Look at it this way - the car will be just about completely brand new now.
It would be nice to catch a "break" as described above but the important thing is the issues are being addressed and fixed. I'm sure Gotham will treat me right.
I've asked Brock at Gotham to give me an estimate on the completion date. Hope it's soon. The weather's great in FL now.
It was a shock to me the number of things that were wrong with the car. I went over the car prior to sending it to CA and I can tell you it was in great shape. Have pics to back this up too but it's really not relevant. It's best just to move on. Look at it this way - the car will be just about completely brand new now.
It would be nice to catch a "break" as described above but the important thing is the issues are being addressed and fixed. I'm sure Gotham will treat me right.
I've asked Brock at Gotham to give me an estimate on the completion date. Hope it's soon. The weather's great in FL now.
Originally Posted by Karack
i'm not arguing that Chris totally hosed you, i don't even refer my tuning customers to him anymore because a) he doesn't pick up his phone and b) he treats them like **** and then tries to sell them a WOLF EMS... i didn't send them to him for an EMS i sent them to him for a 2 hour tune. even his ex-employees are telling me they got the shaft after his whole downward spiral.
i agree with your rants about him.
i agree with your rants about him.
Originally Posted by mirabile
I could not believe your most recent post. I hope the next post is you with a big smile driving your car down the street. Best of luck.
< this is the best I can do for now.
I don't think that anyone is going to have to worry about Chris at Wolf USA anymore. I doubt that he'll be open for business much longer. His travles on the downward spiral are just getting worse as time goes on.
David, glad to hear that the car is almost finished! I can't wait to see what it does once it's tuned in!!
Zach
David, glad to hear that the car is almost finished! I can't wait to see what it does once it's tuned in!!
Zach






