94 Build... GT35R, RE Vmount and a whole lot more............ NOW WITH PISTONS!!
11-05-13, 06:50 PM
#751
we also can't forget the amount of money it would cost XL8R to swap over to a V8 at this point.
i guess there are plenty of LS series engines options, but something like a nice LS3 is going to cost 8-10k for just the engine/trans/harness pullout, plus the cost of the swap kit. of course the OP may have that much in his rotary, but it would be a lot of additional money to change over "to the dark side," as they say, at this point, even after parting out his rotary setup (and dealing with that whole annoying part out process). a rebuild and tuning may cost a couple grand (i dont know if he'd be rebuilding himself).
also, to the angry people above, please know that i don't dislike the GM LS series engines. in fact, i like them a lot. if you want to make 500+ whp in an rx7 reliably, there's really no other complete and simple option. i'm not trying to argue that. i just (personally) think OP's setup is very cool, clean, unique, and nicely done.
i guess there are plenty of LS series engines options, but something like a nice LS3 is going to cost 8-10k for just the engine/trans/harness pullout, plus the cost of the swap kit. of course the OP may have that much in his rotary, but it would be a lot of additional money to change over "to the dark side," as they say, at this point, even after parting out his rotary setup (and dealing with that whole annoying part out process). a rebuild and tuning may cost a couple grand (i dont know if he'd be rebuilding himself).
also, to the angry people above, please know that i don't dislike the GM LS series engines. in fact, i like them a lot. if you want to make 500+ whp in an rx7 reliably, there's really no other complete and simple option. i'm not trying to argue that. i just (personally) think OP's setup is very cool, clean, unique, and nicely done.
11-05-13, 10:06 PM
#752
we also can't forget the amount of money it would cost XL8R to swap over to a V8 at this point.
i guess there are plenty of LS series engines options, but something like a nice LS3 is going to cost 8-10k for just the engine/trans/harness pullout, plus the cost of the swap kit. of course the OP may have that much in his rotary, but it would be a lot of additional money to change over "to the dark side," as they say, at this point, even after parting out his rotary setup (and dealing with that whole annoying part out process). a rebuild and tuning may cost a couple grand (i dont know if he'd be rebuilding himself).
also, to the angry people above, please know that i don't dislike the GM LS series engines. in fact, i like them a lot. if you want to make 500+ whp in an rx7 reliably, there's really no other complete and simple option. i'm not trying to argue that. i just (personally) think OP's setup is very cool, clean, unique, and nicely done.
i guess there are plenty of LS series engines options, but something like a nice LS3 is going to cost 8-10k for just the engine/trans/harness pullout, plus the cost of the swap kit. of course the OP may have that much in his rotary, but it would be a lot of additional money to change over "to the dark side," as they say, at this point, even after parting out his rotary setup (and dealing with that whole annoying part out process). a rebuild and tuning may cost a couple grand (i dont know if he'd be rebuilding himself).
also, to the angry people above, please know that i don't dislike the GM LS series engines. in fact, i like them a lot. if you want to make 500+ whp in an rx7 reliably, there's really no other complete and simple option. i'm not trying to argue that. i just (personally) think OP's setup is very cool, clean, unique, and nicely done.
Well on the upside, here in Cali, The LS series is such a common swap with the state ref that you can actually legalize it. Since it is a newer engine and has lower emissions its favored already by CARB. You just need all factory emissions for the engine installed with it (all smog related components). I do NOT know everything about it but guys here are passing the state ref and the cars are legit conversions.
Then they modify the living shiznit out of it .... lol
Then they modify the living shiznit out of it .... lol
Mazda V8 RX7
Thank you.
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11-05-13, 11:54 PM
#755
Josh, I'd be very curious to hear whether or not you choose to continue along the Rotary path or defect to an LS3, and the reasons that lead you to the decision. In particular, I think the driving and power delivery characteristics of a Single Turbo vs V8 RX7 would be an interesting point of scrutiny.
From a logical and practical standpoint, the benefits of swapping in a V8 are glaring and undeniable. However, we all know how much rationale needs to be excused by simply owning these cars in general... so I guess it can go both ways.
$15,000 for a swapped, Samberg mounted, NEW LS3 setup is awfully competitive. A fully built and ported Single Turbo setup with all the bells and whistles seems to be right up there in price.
From a logical and practical standpoint, the benefits of swapping in a V8 are glaring and undeniable. However, we all know how much rationale needs to be excused by simply owning these cars in general... so I guess it can go both ways.
$15,000 for a swapped, Samberg mounted, NEW LS3 setup is awfully competitive. A fully built and ported Single Turbo setup with all the bells and whistles seems to be right up there in price.
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11-06-13, 08:01 AM
#756
Original Gangster/Rotary!
iTrader: (213)
With the IRP 'Military Discount' for rebuild customers, we'll have ya back on the road in no time for a mere pittance. Come on buddy, even though you're Air Force we'll still let the discount apply just this once
11-06-13, 05:56 PM
#759
......having said that, installing any kind of v8 into this FD ruins it in my opinion. Sorry Josh, had to lay it all out there
With the IRP 'Military Discount' for rebuild customers, we'll have ya back on the road in no time for a mere pittance. Come on buddy, even though you're Air Force we'll still let the discount apply just this once
With the IRP 'Military Discount' for rebuild customers, we'll have ya back on the road in no time for a mere pittance. Come on buddy, even though you're Air Force we'll still let the discount apply just this once
11-06-13, 08:20 PM
#760
I actually told him that if he decided to stay with the rotary then to have a Rich build the motor.
But for the power he is running and wanting to run its just a matter of time. They all break like spring ice at those power levels.
The guy just wants to be out enjoying the car instead of being in a constant state of build and rebuild. Who can blame him?
Personally it doesn't matter either way.
I get that the enthusiasts here all like the rotary regardless of its faults. It is a cool concept. Everyone wants to be different and all that. But some of the arguments are irrational.
Only way I would own a rotary engine again would be to run it with stock twins, 10lbs of boost.
Then you have a much more reliable car.
This 500+HP with meth or E-85 and or water injection and every other bandaid and voodoo to try to keep it in 1 piece is a lot of hand wringing when you can simplify it and have a monster of a car without any worries that the meth tank ran out or no E-85 around or that you get 12 mpg.
I get 28mpg. Lots of upsides. It's just how I look at it.
But I don't give rotary guys hell over it.
It just doesn't work for me at the power levels I want.
But for the power he is running and wanting to run its just a matter of time. They all break like spring ice at those power levels.
The guy just wants to be out enjoying the car instead of being in a constant state of build and rebuild. Who can blame him?
Personally it doesn't matter either way.
I get that the enthusiasts here all like the rotary regardless of its faults. It is a cool concept. Everyone wants to be different and all that. But some of the arguments are irrational.
Only way I would own a rotary engine again would be to run it with stock twins, 10lbs of boost.
Then you have a much more reliable car.
This 500+HP with meth or E-85 and or water injection and every other bandaid and voodoo to try to keep it in 1 piece is a lot of hand wringing when you can simplify it and have a monster of a car without any worries that the meth tank ran out or no E-85 around or that you get 12 mpg.
I get 28mpg. Lots of upsides. It's just how I look at it.
But I don't give rotary guys hell over it.
It just doesn't work for me at the power levels I want.
11-06-13, 09:36 PM
#761
Original Gangster/Rotary!
iTrader: (213)
Mike, I appreciate the vouch, but you're not really correct with what you're saying..... again, this is 2013
I proved with my red FD year after year that 500 rwhp is reliably achievable on a two rotor FD long term.
Do I recommend trying to make 550ish rwhp with stock apex seals and a stock uneven-flowing LIM? No I do not. I do agree with you that at these power levels and specific output there isn't much margin for error..... to which i say, overbuild it and don't make mistakes, and enjoy yourself with the engine that's meant to be in the car
I proved with my red FD year after year that 500 rwhp is reliably achievable on a two rotor FD long term.
Do I recommend trying to make 550ish rwhp with stock apex seals and a stock uneven-flowing LIM? No I do not. I do agree with you that at these power levels and specific output there isn't much margin for error..... to which i say, overbuild it and don't make mistakes, and enjoy yourself with the engine that's meant to be in the car
11-08-13, 05:28 AM
#769
I actually told him that if he decided to stay with the rotary then to have a Rich build the motor.
But for the power he is running and wanting to run its just a matter of time. They all break like spring ice at those power levels.
The guy just wants to be out enjoying the car instead of being in a constant state of build and rebuild. Who can blame him?
Personally it doesn't matter either way.
I get that the enthusiasts here all like the rotary regardless of its faults. It is a cool concept. Everyone wants to be different and all that. But some of the arguments are irrational.
Only way I would own a rotary engine again would be to run it with stock twins, 10lbs of boost.
Then you have a much more reliable car.
This 500+HP with meth or E-85 and or water injection and every other bandaid and voodoo to try to keep it in 1 piece is a lot of hand wringing when you can simplify it and have a monster of a car without any worries that the meth tank ran out or no E-85 around or that you get 12 mpg.
I get 28mpg. Lots of upsides. It's just how I look at it.
But I don't give rotary guys hell over it.
It just doesn't work for me at the power levels I want.
But for the power he is running and wanting to run its just a matter of time. They all break like spring ice at those power levels.
The guy just wants to be out enjoying the car instead of being in a constant state of build and rebuild. Who can blame him?
Personally it doesn't matter either way.
I get that the enthusiasts here all like the rotary regardless of its faults. It is a cool concept. Everyone wants to be different and all that. But some of the arguments are irrational.
Only way I would own a rotary engine again would be to run it with stock twins, 10lbs of boost.
Then you have a much more reliable car.
This 500+HP with meth or E-85 and or water injection and every other bandaid and voodoo to try to keep it in 1 piece is a lot of hand wringing when you can simplify it and have a monster of a car without any worries that the meth tank ran out or no E-85 around or that you get 12 mpg.
I get 28mpg. Lots of upsides. It's just how I look at it.
But I don't give rotary guys hell over it.
It just doesn't work for me at the power levels I want.
The man just rode in a ls3 fd. He said the driveability is ridiculous....and ao is the torque. Why not, it will still be wicked in my book.
Plus....... im buying some of his part out for my turbo fb hahaha
11-12-13, 12:18 PM
#771
To be consistent, I am sure anyone that wants to do a 20b swap you post in their thread "yup, sell it and buy a eunos cosmos"
probably true, or maybe people just do the swap to try and make money. you can sell them for more than it costs to build, if you know what you are doing.
my favorite topic. the "soul". Can some one educate me? when does the "soul" of the car decide to leave? only when a piston engine is installed? so it doesn't care if it is stripped and gutted for racing, or if it is swapped for a 20b, or if it is so modified it is almost unrecognizable with widebody kits and 12" wide wheels? That's cool, right? permanent body modification, that isn't "ruining a rare car", am i getting this right? or the old "mazda designed it for a rotary", but 3 rotors are cool, even though mazda designed it for 2?
Back OT, glad you made it to the "dark side" forums. Ls swap is the best move you could make for such a nice car.
11-12-13, 01:05 PM
#775
and no, i dont think people that keep a rotary are "not smart". that's a total straw man argument. I never said all rx7's should have an lsx, in fact, i totally respect when people want to have a rotary engine.
In my opinion, the rotary isn't practical for what i want to do with my car, it's as simple as that. You can keep your "soul", and ill keep my fantastic FD.