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Old 02-22-08, 02:23 PM
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it is pretty safe to say that your attitude, and refusal to make this good, has ruined your previous reputation.

the least you can do is stop the "bleeding."
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Originally Posted by rx7roller02
what he's trying to tell you, Porter, is that he didnt do business with Greg, so whatever Greg's issues are, they shouldnt be affecting his business transactions. Apparently you didn't pay very much attention to what was going on either. I said this, "Provided Greg can print out a label for it and take it to the warehouse for me, it will be picked up this week and then I'll update you through PM." and he replied with, "If this is the case Porter, I can understand and will be patiently waiting for the tracking ##." If you want to all of a sudden disregard that and not take into consideration the entire scope of things, be my guest. And I agree. Twenty days ago you were told of more than one carrier that would pick it up at your house, and here we are, nearly another month gone by, and still nothing's changed. Except for the fact that the engine was moved to the warehouse so that it could be picked up, a new bill of lading was printed out, and a pickup request was made. But you're right, that's inconsequential. No one needed you to "spell it out" for them. I'd argue otherwise. What we need is for someone to spell it out to you, I guess. Twenty days ago, people in this thread told you of carriers that will come to you, and you even said that you were going to call one of them up....that would have made Greg's problems completely irrelevant to this engine. I'm using gorlc.com just like DJSeven suggested, but that's not the point. The point is that the engine is somewhere else and I don't have a vehicle. So regardless of whether the engine stayed at Greg's place where it was originally, or we moved it to the warehouse, I still didn't have the right address on the engine and I still couldn't get over there to put a new bill of lading on it.

Thats not even called for. You were asked a very relevant question by three people because we all have seen these kinds of things happen before. You could either be mature and answer it like you actually give a damn about handling your business, or you can leave this as your response, and hurt your reputation in the process. But just like I told you in PM, things can easily happen to a motor thats been sitting for 6 months. Hell, I approached you privately because I felt that you deserved that much respect, and you cant shoot straight about it now? Guess I was wrong about that respect....
What are you talking about, I already answered that question a few posts ago??? It was stored in Greg's garage and then wrapped in plastic and sat outside a few weeks before we needed to put it on a pallet and strap it down.

Look, he said that he asked for a refund several times. You claim he didnt. WHO CARES? He asked for one earlier, when he was only kept waiting for a month for this motor. And now, three weeks later, he is no closer to getting it!! Except that he is, unless you want to just keep ignoring that. Since that time he has requested that you refund his money. You even agreed that he mentioned that he was willing to take a refund back before this thread was started, and now, your whole reason for not giving it is because he didnt WORD THAT REQUEST to your liking?? Please tell me that you were drunk when you wrote that... What was that about ridiculous sarcasm? Giving someone a choice and then going back and saying it was a demand is either someone ignoring the facts or they don't have much of a grasp of the English language. He gave me a choice, that in no way translates out to a demand by any stretch of the imagination.

Fast forward, and now, not only did you refuse a refund after keeping him waiting for a month....you have kept him waiting an additional three weeks, and STILL it hasnt been shipped, and STILL he's saying "just refund my money" and STILL the only three things we see from you are excuses about Greg, more sarcasm, and refusing to refund his money! Nice omission of everything else that's happened, like the original shipping arrangements. Trying to get DHL to forward it to their freight center. Finding a new courier because DHL wouldn't take it, UPS requires a business, PilotAir is air freight and I'm sorry but I'm not footing the bill for that no matter how long he's waited, and then finally settling on gorlc.com. How in the world can you think youre being reasonable at that point? You were told on 2/3 about three companies that would come to you, even at a residence. SO WHY IS THIS MOTOR STILL SITTING IN THE WAREHOUSE? Because you havent cared enough about this issue to take care of it a better way, thats why. Yep, it's true, I did lose interest in this once this thread came up and people started slinging ****.

so let me guess--another three weeks?? Maybe longer? First it was "DHL wouldnt ship it". Then it was "I dont have a car big enough to transport it". Then it was "its at Gregs place, an hour away". Then it was "Greg's office got moved around, you have to wait longer". What next??
What good does any of that paragraph do? Seriously? Are you trying to insinuate that you don't believe any of this to be true? Even after Greg confirmed all of this happened. After I even sent Travis the tracking # from DHL just so he could see that they had come and picked it up, and that it had then been returned? Yes, DHL picked it up and returned it. Yes, I live an hour away from where it was being stored, I'm without a car period, I don't own a truck or van, because of those facts Greg did this for me, he couldn't print out the bill of lading until yesterday. What's next? I have no idea. What's planned? Everything that I've already mentioned. But that's all fabricated right? I'm really still stalling, even though paypal has his original payment from the claim that he's started, but that doesn't matter to me because I'm obviously not doing anything about any of this.

Look, I gave you the respect of approaching you privately about this. And this is what you do with that, you bring nothing but sarcasm. You need to pony up and refund his money, thats what he demanded. If you had already shipped it thats one thing, but its still sitting out there in a warehouse. Send him his money back and be done with this mess.
I never made any sort of sarcastic comment to you. You want to jump on the bandwagon and try to bust my chops, again, be my guest. I'm doing what's needed to be done. If I can't convince you of that, it still doesn't change the fact that they're coming to pick up the engine anyway.
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Apparently you didn't pay very much attention to what was going on either. I said this, "Provided Greg can print out a label for it and take it to the warehouse for me, it will be picked up this week and then I'll update you through PM." and he replied with, "If this is the case Porter, I can understand and will be patiently waiting for the tracking ##." If you want to all of a sudden disregard that and not take into consideration the entire scope of things, be my guest.
Why do you think that no one pays attention, just because you dont have your **** together? Tell me this--whose fault is it that this motor is still sitting on your end of the world? Is it mine? Is it Travis's? Didnt think so.

In the end, as two people have now said, Greg's issues shouldnt be hampering your selling practices. If you cannot find a way to actually handle your business, you dont have any place selling parts. Thats what it means to be a seller. THAT is the point that has been placed in front of you now, twice. THAT is what Travis meant when he said he sent you money and not Greg. Is any of this clicking yet, or are you still going to act like it is everyone else's misunderstanding that you havent taken care of your business??

Except for the fact that the engine was moved to the warehouse so that it could be picked up, a new bill of lading was printed out, and a pickup request was made. But you're right, that's inconsequential.
Look, cut the crap and get real. UNTIL THAT ENGINE IS ON A TRUCK, IT IS STILL SITTING IN THAT WAREHOUSE. That means, until it moves, all youve done is provide lip service. Nothing more. Three weeks ago, you said you were going to get right on this--those were your words then too, werent they? Didnt you say on the 2nd or 3rd of this month that you were going to give this shipping company a call? And yet, the motor still sits on your end. My point? Simple--talk is cheap, and all we've seen from you thus far is talk. I still cannot figure out why it took three more weeks for you to get to this point--when that shipping company would have gone to Greg's house! His house, where his office was still set up, where he could have printed that new label on the spot, where they would have picked the engine up already and it would already be at its destination!

One day you said you were gonna call gorlc....the next day you were checking with Fedex instead...and didnt even call the first one yet.So, you WILL pardon people here like me that are waiting to see you follow through because thus far you havent.

But you sure did TALK a lot about it....wow, you get the gold star for today!



I'd argue otherwise
Sure you would, but thats about all youve done. So, no surprise there.

I'm using gorlc.com just like DJSeven suggested, but that's not the point. The point is that the engine is somewhere else and I don't have a vehicle. So regardless of whether the engine stayed at Greg's place where it was originally, or we moved it to the warehouse, I still didn't have the right address on the engine and I still couldn't get over there to put a new bill of lading on it.
this is why everyone is doubting you, because all you do is bring up excuse after excuse. Like I said, if you really wanted to be on top of this, you would have already handled it, whether or not you needed Greg's help. Case in point--

on 2/2 you were told about gorlc and you said you were going to give them a call. But by the next day you didnt get around to it yet.

On the 3rd, someone told you to rent a u-haul and get it to the warehouse if need be....this is what you told him:

As astounding to you as this may sound, already ontop of it, thanks though
Yeah, you were "already on top of it" three weeks ago, which explains why this is still not settled?? And you wonder why people are doubting you?



Continuing on, we find out fifteen days after youre "already on top of it" that Greg's office is being moved. Why the hell couldnt you take care of this within those 15 days if youre so "on top of it"?? How is that everyone else "not paying attention"? I would bet my left nut that his office wasnt being moved even half of those 15 days...but the engine was already there. And you guys knew you had to change the address. The bottom line is this--no matter how much closer you are to thinking you've taken care of things, that motor is physically no closer to your buyer than it ever was. It isnt like you need to do a whole lot--it is in the warehouse, all you need to do is get a label on the crate and make a phone call!

What are you talking about, I already answered that question a few posts ago??? It was stored in Greg's garage and then wrapped in plastic and sat outside a few weeks before we needed to put it on a pallet and strap it down.
You were then asked if the holes were sealed up or not, and you never said a word about that. I then PM'ed you after a couple days went by to ask you the same thing. You didnt answer me in PM and you didnt answer three people asking in the thread. All you could do was complain about "questions that were already asked and answered"....even though this was the first time you were asked this.

Yes, it was stored on a pallet, outside. But, rodents and insects live outside. Creatures live outside that can get inside an engine sitting on a pallet. My guess is that you plastic-wrapped the engine to the pallet, right? So, whats to stop, say, a mouse from crawling in from underneath that pallet and getting inside the engine you had sitting out there? What is to stop moisture from affecting the inside of that motor, since it most likely wasnt sealed off like it should have been?

Except that he is, unless you want to just keep ignoring that.
NO, actually, HE ISNT. You see, the motor is still sitting in the warehouse. You still dont even have a date for pickup. The new label isnt on there. There is NOTHING AT ALL TO UPDATE ON, as you yourself said earlier. NOTHING. Back on the 3rd, you still had to call a shipping company, set up a date for pickup, and label the engine. RIGHT NOW, YOU STILL HAVE TO DO EXACTLY THAT TO GET THE CRATE ON ITS WAY. How the hell does it make any difference that the motor was moved from one address to another?? Especially when this shipping company could have picked up at either place!

Like I said, lets cut the crap. You could move that pallet a dozen times to different places, and if thats all you do besides talk about it once in a while, NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED.

What was that about ridiculous sarcasm? Giving someone a choice and then going back and saying it was a demand is either someone ignoring the facts or they don't have much of a grasp of the English language. He gave me a choice, that in no way translates out to a demand by any stretch of the imagination.
Your logic is flawed. you say that he gave you the choice, back then. And you chose. But you didnt really choose...all you did was let this draw out for even longer! So, since then, he has demanded his money back. And you flat-out refused. Your reasons, at least the ones you stated, are ridiculous at best, because no one else is to blame for this but you. When he gave you the option, at that point he had been waiting nearly a month. Now, hes been waiting nearly two months, and still the pallet hasnt been picked up! You owe him, at the very least, a bit of courtesy because your lack of urgency has kept him waiting on and on. Its a shame that all he gets instead is one weak excuse after another, mixed in with some sarcasm for good measure.

Nice omission of everything else that's happened, like the original shipping arrangements. Trying to get DHL to forward it to their freight center. Finding a new courier because DHL wouldn't take it, UPS requires a business, PilotAir is air freight and I'm sorry but I'm not footing the bill for that no matter how long he's waited, and then finally settling on gorlc.com.
No, that was not at all the issue, there was no omission intentionally done. The fact of the matter is this--you need to get up, stop looking for a pat on the friggin back because you "tried to ship it out" and that fell through. YOU HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO ACTUALLY GET THE ENGINE DELIVERED. And until that happens, do us all a favor and shut up about the damn DHL bit already. You knew THREE WEEKS AGO, if not longer, that DHL had refused to ship it. Why the hell didnt you just find another shipping company back then? Why did it take weeks of people telling you who to call before you actually did? So, you tried to ship it out--fair enough. But did he pay you to "try to ship it"?? SO why the hell are you still living on that point like it says something about what youve failed to do since then? THAT IS IN THE PAST, YOU STILL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO HANDLE....if you took half the energy and time you used up carrying on about what DHL did, and put it into actually completing this sale, you would have probably been able to walk to his house with the engine on your back by now!

FIX THIS. And STOP CARRYING ON ABOUT THE PAST. There's an old saying--"what have you done for me lately"....well?

Yep, it's true, I did lose interest in this once this thread came up and people started slinging ****
gee, more useless crap excuses. Why am I not surprised?? Face it--before this thread was started, you kept Travis waiting for a MONTH for this motor. You didnt "lose interest" after the thread began, your actions clearly showed that you didnt have much interest the whole time. And you know what, thats fine--nothing wrong there. I wouldnt want to ship engines either. But at least be man enough to say that, leave it at that, and get him his money back. Like you said, he gave you the choice, and you said "I'll ship the motor". Then you never did....once DHL dropped it off, you havent done anything else with it. Greg moved it to a building ten minutes from his house, thats it. Dont blame your failure on anyone else--take responsibility like a man already.

I never made any sort of sarcastic comment to you. You want to jump on the bandwagon and try to bust my chops, again, be my guest. I'm doing what's needed to be done. If I can't convince you of that, it still doesn't change the fact that they're coming to pick up the engine anyway.
I didnt say you did. I said you were sarcastic. Thanks for reading. In either event, that doesnt matter, because I am not "jumping on the bandwagon". I am merely reacting to what I see you doing. And thats my right. I asked you to be straight-up about the way the motor was stored, and you said "I wont answer questions that have already been asked over and over again." I then pointed out to you that this was a new question, and a relevant one. And you still couldnt even just give me a straight answer, or anyone else for that matter. THAT is why I am responding to you like I am, not because I am jumping on anyone's bandwagon. Pay attention--youre earning what youre getting here. Maybe its time you wake up and realize that this isnt just some random hate-party, that just maybe you did something to cause this kind of reaction, perhaps??
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Guys, you are wasting your time with attempting to reason with Porter. I had an extensive conversation with him and by what I see of his responses I might of well been talking to the wall.

So, this forces me to do nothing more than Ban him until this matter is resolved.
Also for all to see. His selling privileges are being revoked until further notice.
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Update information for surfmon that I have received from porter.
We have received your request for a pickup. There was no BOL attached to this
request. Please be sure shipper has BOL to go with this pickup.

Thank You.

Jim Spurlock
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(800)543-5589 x1065


PICKUP REQUEST DETAILS:

Name: Nathan Porter
Company:
Phone: (843) 555-XXXXX Contact is the:
Pickup Date: 02/25/2008
Pickup Time: 10:00 AM
Pickup Date & Time: 02/25/2008 10:00 AM
Contact: Nathan Porter
Company: Eastern Distribution
Address: 1502 Antioch Church Road
City: Greenville
State: SC
Zip: 29605
Phone: (864) XXX-XXXX
Email:
Contact: Nathan Porter
Dept Hours: 05:00 PM
Destination Zip: 32505
Total Weight: 200
Total Pieces: 1
Comments: Pallet is located in Warehouse A.

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thanks for that Roller and Doc

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so, I should have some sort of tracking number by tonight.........

correct me if I'm wrong

I'd call the shippers, but there is no reference ##
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Well I spoke with R+L carriers today and it appears they have pallet coming toward me.

So we will see what happens and I'll keep this thread updated

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got the block.........visual inspection looks OK minus some surface rust

peered into the exhaust ports only to see some nice pools of water

turned in over and the water came pouring out

I guess that answers the questions that Porter wouldn't

hopefully I can salvage some parts off this thing

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surfmon, I just read this whole thread, sorry dude. It is to bad that people have to act that way toward a fellow enthusiasts.
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Have you disassembled the block yet?
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what you need to do is stop everything on that motor....

before you take off a single bolt, you need to have someone document what you find. Get a camcorder and film it, seriously. That way, he cannot say you just poured water in there when you got it or anything else ridiculous--having water in it that whole time will cause rust inside and you want to document the condition of the interior parts as well as you can, just in case.
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I have unbanned XxmerlinxX so that he may come in here and post.

I am going to politely ask that everyone except him and surfmon stay out of this thread until I state otherwise so that communication may occur between the 2 of them.

Failure for anyone to honor this request will unfortunately result in that person receiving a free vacation. :-)

I expect that everyone will honor this. :-)
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Why do you think that no one pays attention, just because you dont have your **** together? Tell me this--whose fault is it that this motor is still sitting on your end of the world? Is it mine? Is it Travis's? Didnt think so.

In the end, as two people have now said, Greg's issues shouldnt be hampering your selling practices. If you cannot find a way to actually handle your business, you dont have any place selling parts. Thats what it means to be a seller. THAT is the point that has been placed in front of you now, twice. THAT is what Travis meant when he said he sent you money and not Greg. Is any of this clicking yet, or are you still going to act like it is everyone else's misunderstanding that you havent taken care of your business??


You're right, let's disregard EVERYTHING else that is happening. No need to confuse ourselves with those silly things called "details".


Look, cut the crap and get real. UNTIL THAT ENGINE IS ON A TRUCK, IT IS STILL SITTING IN THAT WAREHOUSE. That means, until it moves, all youve done is provide lip service. Nothing more.

Because I never made ANY attempt to get it shipped.

Three weeks ago, you said you were going to get right on this--those were your words then too, werent they? Didnt you say on the 2nd or 3rd of this month that you were going to give this shipping company a call? And yet, the motor still sits on your end. My point? Simple--talk is cheap, and all we've seen from you thus far is talk. I still cannot figure out why it took three more weeks for you to get to this point--when that shipping company would have gone to Greg's house! His house, where his office was still set up, where he could have printed that new label on the spot, where they would have picked the engine up already and it would already be at its destination!

Because I'm not spending an extra $90 for residential pickup when I've already been charged $118 for the original shipment from DHL. THAT'S RIGHT, I'm GETTING CHARGED FOR A SHIPMENT THAT DIDN'T EVEN GET COMPLETEDED!!!

One day you said you were gonna call gorlc....the next day you were checking with Fedex instead...and didnt even call the first one yet.So, you WILL pardon people here like me that are waiting to see you follow through because thus far you havent.

But you sure did TALK a lot about it....wow, you get the gold star for today!
You call this helping someone out? You don't want to help anyone out, you just want to talk **** and feel justified for it.

Continuing on, we find out fifteen days after youre "already on top of it" that Greg's office is being moved. Why the hell couldnt you take care of this within those 15 days if youre so "on top of it"?? How is that everyone else "not paying attention"? I would bet my left nut that his office wasnt being moved even half of those 15 days...but the engine was already there. And you guys knew you had to change the address. The bottom line is this--no matter how much closer you are to thinking you've taken care of things, that motor is physically no closer to your buyer than it ever was. It isnt like you need to do a whole lot--it is in the warehouse, all you need to do is get a label on the crate and make a phone call!

Which is so easy to do when it's an hour away and you don't have a car that's driveable. But that's just another excuse right? Why is that his problem? I should hire a taxi to drive me over.

You were then asked if the holes were sealed up or not, and you never said a word about that. I then PM'ed you after a couple days went by to ask you the same thing. You didnt answer me in PM and you didnt answer three people asking in the thread. All you could do was complain about "questions that were already asked and answered"....even though this was the first time you were asked this.

Are you blind? Go back and read my response the first time you asked me about this.


I didnt say you did. I said you were sarcastic. Thanks for reading. In either event, that doesnt matter, because I am not "jumping on the bandwagon". I am merely reacting to what I see you doing. And thats my right. I asked you to be straight-up about the way the motor was stored, and you said "I wont answer questions that have already been asked over and over again." I then pointed out to you that this was a new question, and a relevant one. And you still couldnt even just give me a straight answer, or anyone else for that matter. THAT is why I am responding to you like I am, not because I am jumping on anyone's bandwagon. Pay attention--youre earning what youre getting here. Maybe its time you wake up and realize that this isnt just some random hate-party, that just maybe you did something to cause this kind of reaction, perhaps??
It's taken too long for the engine to be shipped, and suddenly I'm trying to sell him a rotten core that's not going to be good for anything, if he even gets it at all. Are you kidding??? Yes, it took a long time. How does that automatically equate to me trying to rim him off at every chance I get. It's really easy to make up all sorts of make believe scenarios or just flat out say, "no, that's just an excuse." Like I said earlier, you're not interested in helping anyone, you're just out to talk as much **** as you can. Congrats, cause you definitely did that and then some.

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got the block.........visual inspection looks OK minus some surface rust

peered into the exhaust ports only to see some nice pools of water

turned in over and the water came pouring out

I guess that answers the questions that Porter wouldn't

hopefully I can salvage some parts off this thing

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I don't know how water could possibly have been in there considering the engine was wrapped in a plastic sheet. You know this yourself as before you even paid for it I sent you a picture to confirm just that. REGARDLESS of that fact, if you indeed do have parts that cannot be used, I'm more than willing to buy replacement parts or refund you depending on what's good and what isn't. Why? Because I'm not out to ******* scam anyone. And again, this is ontop of a $118 bill from DHL for the original shipment that didn't get completed. I fully expect them to drop part of that considering it never reached it's destination, but I still expect to get stuck with part of it. So while you may have had a few inconveniences, I'm going to foot both shipping bills AND cover anything that's damaged regardless of where the damage came from provided you can prove it with pictures.
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The water that poured out was about 1 cup worth and was accompanied by a little oil. All I will say is that neither the spark plug holes or exhaust ports were plugged up, so just a couple extra humid days could cause water inside. I plug those holes when they are vacant for more than 10 minutes, but that is just me.

I will hopefully start disassembling tonight, with a camera documenting everything.

The motor turns over and has compression, so that is a plus.

It appears porter will try to make this right, and I appreciate it. I will let this thread know if/when the motor is apart and how everything looks.

I'm not expecting everything to be perfect, because it was not advertised to be so. The water has me a little concerned, even though I replaced it with lots of lube.

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FYI for those in the future that find themselves shipping engines, go and get yourself a roll of shrink-wrap from your local office supply store and wrap the core after it's been sat on the pallet. This will help prevent rust, water, or anything else from screwing with it. Once it's wrapped, strap the sucker down and it'll be fine.

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Old 02-28-08, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rx7doctor
I have unbanned XxmerlinxX so that he may come in here and post.

I am going to politely ask that everyone except him and surfmon stay out of this thread until I state otherwise so that communication may occur between the 2 of them.

Failure for anyone to honor this request will unfortunately result in that person receiving a free vacation. :-)

I expect that everyone will honor this. :-)
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Old 02-29-08, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 84stock
Ditto, this is how I shipped an engine....and you should always search before doing business with anyone.. https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ght=xxmerlinxx
wow, captain obvious enlightening the newb.........
refer to Roller's response and kindly mind your own business


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well, it appears as though we can put this all behind us.

I tore the motor apart this weekend and the internals looked really good.

All I could find wrong was one cracked apex seal on the rear rotor.

So, even though his selling tactics were horrible, Porter did eventually send me what he described

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Good.

Now for the punishment to fit the crime.
Part was paid for on 1-09-2008. Given that the reasonable time that it should of taken to get to the buyer is 10 working days.

The date of receiving is 2-27-2008. So to round off it took over a month extra than what it should of with very poor communication and the fact that I had to get involved to push this issue.
XxmerlinxX's selling privileges are being suspended for 1 month from this day. That means that he is not allowed to selling on this Club until 4-03-08.

Case closed.
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