MazdaMike02

iTrader: (4)

I sold this guy a s4 TII throttle body (my mistake) he wanted an s5. I do the right thing, I give him a refund. He never sends my part back, and keeps ignoring every PM i've sent.

Heres the first one I received after the transation.

RX7-TII Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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Hey man the throttle body showed up and bad news.. that isnt an s5 throttle body. Its an S4 so it does me no good. The tps I need has 2 sensors and the one u sent only has 1. And it has an mechanical oil metering pump shaft so I know its an S4 86-88. I need S5 89-91. I dont want to pay to ship it back to you cause it says S5 TII right in the heading. What can we do?

My response:
****. I'm terribly sorry I was told it was an s5. I had never seen an s5 one before..I asked a few people and everyone told me they were the same. Guess we should have waited for the pictures..

Well I don't have a problem refunding your money, but Im not going to eat the shipping costs for nothing. I already paid 50 dollars to ship to you.. and still have your full amount in my paypal. Whats reasonable, what would you like to do?

RX7-TII:
Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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On the package it says 30 for shipping. So if thats what it was then give me back 90? I dont know haha. Sucks for both of use

Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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RX7-TII Quote:
Originally Posted by MazdaMike02
I paid 44 total I rounded up..I think I had to buy stuff to pack it too. But yes thats fine with me if thats what you wanna do.


ok works for me as well. Thanks for getting back to me too. I appreciate it!


Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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RX7-TII Quote:
Originally Posted by MazdaMike02
I paid 44 total I rounded up..I think I had to buy stuff to pack it too. But yes thats fine with me if thats what you wanna do.


Hey man just wondering if you can refund my money so i can buy another throttle body? Thank you!

Here is the last response I received from him.

Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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Where did you send it? Cause it isnt in my paypal

After this I received no word about my part being returned or anything. So I started sending PMs, giving him PLENTY of time to respond.

Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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I did. Did you ship it back to me?

09-30-13 Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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I clicked issue a refund. I guess it takes a few days..I didnt know that.


10-10-13 Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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Have you received the refund and did you ship back the tb?

10-15-13 Re: S5 TII throttle body and the TPS

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RX7-TII
Where did you send it? Cause it isnt in my paypal

Dude whats going on? I gave you your refund, I see you keep signing on and I've contacted you a couple times and givin you plenty of time. Lets do the right thing here. I did already.

Last response from him was 3 weeks ago 09-30-13. I gave him 3 weeks, no responses at all. I sent one last PM today which has a few choice words for him, including my course of action.

I did the right thing, refunded his money, and he steals the part. Never sends it back, no response at all. And he keeps signing on, he was on yesterday.

STAY AWAY FROM RX7-TII NOT A GOOD MEMBER TO DEAL WITH.

Sandrock

iTrader: (26)

Sucks. Should wait to give refunds after you recieve the item back.

MazdaMike02

iTrader: (4)

Yeah well the guy was messaging me asking me to refund so he could buy another one..I figured he was trusting enough.

`explicit`

Can't the admins just IP ban the guy, especially when it's obvious he's dodging you?

gsl-se addict

iTrader: (3)

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anywhere that you guys agreed that he would send it back and who would pay the return shipping. It looks like a communication problem to me. He probably figures that you listed it as S5, so it is your fault. He covered shipping to him and you gave him the money back (for the part), so he has already taken a loss. If he sends it back to you, he is out another $30-$45.

Based on the conversation above, I take it that his cost (with shipping) was like $120 or $140. If it was $120, he is already out $30 and would be out another $30-$45 if he sent back. So, he would have lost $60-$75 because of the mistake in your ad.

In most cases like this, it isn't really worth it to anyone to ship it back, so the understanding should have been a refund based on him not sending it back. In cases where both the buyer and seller messed up (ad wasn't clear and the buyer didn't ask), usually the buyer will have paid shipping one way and the seller will need to pay shipping the other way (if he wants the part back). In your case, it sounds like you made the mistake and advertised it as S5. Right now, you are out the part, but may be out only a little bit of money.

The way that I see it, you made a mistake and admitted to it. If you want the part back, you can pay return shipping (it looks like he paid shipping to him based on the refund). The other option is to take the loss and consider it a lesson learned (make sure you know what you are selling before listing it).

Anyway, that is my 2 cents based on what I see. There may be more to the story, but that is how it looks currently.

MazdaMike02

iTrader: (4)

Damn right its a communication problem. Buddy didnt answer any of the PMs after he got his refund. So he gets most of his money and the part for free? I didnt list anything. I didnt post an ad. I responded to his ad. I told him I cant confirm if it was s5 or not I had never seen one before. I said I could take pictures but I couldnt get to where my parts were till a few days later. He opted not to wait for pictures and told me to ship the tb.
He sends me the message saying its the wrong one and my response is there. Your right though nowhere does he say he'll ship it back he just said he didnt wanna pay for it. But why the hell would I give him his money and let him keep the part? My username isnt Unicef..

Your also right I didnt really think that refund part through I just went ahead and did it. Also should have said I wasnt refunding until I got a tracking number for my part. I was under the assumption it was getting sent back. We both made mistakes like I said. I did not have an ad advertising it wrong or anything. This is what happens when the selling process gets rushed. And if he waited for the pics like I asked this never would have happened.
I dont even care about the part I care how there was no explanation for anything and he repeatedly ignored my attempts to communicate with him.

gsl-se addict

iTrader: (3)

Ok. I sent him a PM asking him to respond here.

How much did you sell it for? I see that you mentioned $120 in his thread. I know that you did $90 for the refund. If this is the case, and what you posted above is true, you are currently out the cost of packing material, the transaction costs, and the part.

On his end, he is out $30 and has a part that he can't use.

The problem is that maybe both of you messed up here. However, he did post a pic of what he was looking for, so you could have confirmed with that before shipping.

I don't see how it would be reasonable for him to pay shipping both ways and end up with nothing. It would be a different story if you advertised it as S5, he bought it thinking he needed S5, and then found out he needed S4. In a case like that, it would be all on him, so paying shipping both ways would be reasonable.

As I see it, you can pay return shipping and have it returned to you or he can just keep the part. If the roles were reversed, how would you like spending $60 (or more) shipping a part back and forth and end up with nothing?

I'm not sure what you told him, but I suspect that if you made it clear that it could be S4, he would have waited until you confirmed it (at least I would).

Yes. He should have continued to communicate after the refund. He could have explained his understanding of the refund and you could explain your understanding.

We will see what his take is and go from there...

misterstyx69

iTrader: (142)

This must be the link that you are referring to for the Guys WTB thread.
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati...-body-1037304/
In Post#13 he has a pic of an S5 TII Throttle body with the TPS clearly visible.

Sorry but a couple things spark me here:
1/ is that the seller should know what parts they are selling.The buyer already knows what he wants.(in this case he posted a pic if the part he needed)
2/ is that if the part is not the part mentioned that the buyer needs after stating so in his WTB then the Onus for shipping the part back lays on the Seller,that is if the seller wants the part back.
Still the buyer is entitled to a refund as he never actually received his intended part.

As a precaution the part should just be sent back and when in possession of the party then a refund can be made.Using the tracking number system in between USA and Canada is easily done and you can see when someone accepts a package or where it is in transit.I do it all the time.

From what I can observe is that the part needs to go back to the Seller,But the seller needs to pay a total refund and also for shipping...That is unless some other arrangements are worked out.

This is the price of Not communicating thoroughly.Tough lesson..
Pics,full detail/description and attention to any inquiries make buying and selling much easier on the Internet.It's not like you can actually fondle the part so questions should be asked and answers should be Forth coming.
This never happened.

MazdaMike02

iTrader: (4)

Forget it ill just stop trying to help the community. I dont even care if he responds or if I get the part back. I didnt start the thread to be systematically torn apart and told that I fucked up. I KNOW that, it doesnt need to be pointed out over and over.
That isnt a very clear picture either. Regardless of what happened I TRIED to do the right thing, and did exactly as he said. And he has most of his money and a free mint condition TB. I could have told him to **** off or ignore his PMs like he ignores mine. No I posted as quick as possible looking to resolve the issue. You guys are also missing the point that he has a part that he basically paid nothing for and can easily resell to recoop any money he did lose which wasnt much. Which I sold cheap with a good TPS. I think hes a lot more well off than I am.

Thats okay I've learned my lesson, this will never happen again. If I even sell stuff on the classifieds anymore.

Samito Built

iTrader: (38)

Its hard to please people on these forums even if they get a refund. Unfortunately the refund was the only collateral you had, but I would of done the same thing and issued the refund. To bad as sellers we can't dispute anything on PayPal that would be a Perk! COMMUNICATION seems to be the most important in the bad and fugly transaction. Hopefully the buyer sees this and grows a pair!

7dust

iTrader: (14)

Since when is it the buyer's obligation to pay return shipping for a fuckup by the seller?

I wouldn't have sent the part back either until the seller un-assed some cash!

gsl-se addict

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MazdaMike,

We aren't trying to pick on you. This is just an unbiased observation. Yes, he could possibly resell it and recover some cash, but that isn't what he signed up for. Also remember that S4 stuff is generally worth quite a bit less compared to S5 parts.

Yes, we realize he has the part, but he also paid $30 to get something that he didn't want or need. Now he has to pay shipping again to someone else. Why should he pay shipping both ways and end up with nothing? How is that fair?

The way I see it, you have two options:

1. you pay for return shipping and he sends it back
2. he just keeps the part

Maybe, he'll be nice and work out another option with you, but you admitted fault and so I don't see how he would need to cover all costs.

If it was a smaller and more expensive item, it makes sense to send it back. With these heavier parts that have lower value, it usually isn't worth sending back, but if it is worth it to you to get the part back, you need to pay return shipping, IMO.

It's unfortunate that these things happen, but the best we can do is to try to even out the fault vs. cost, each learn a lesson, and move on from there. Communication goes a long way in these situations.

MazdaMike02

iTrader: (4)

Hes finally responded to me, only took almost a month and a half. I told him id pay return shipping and his 30 dollars when I see a tracking number.

MazdaMike02

iTrader: (4)

I'm done, I'm closing the thread. I don't care what happens, RX7-TII is never gonna respond or anything he can ******* keep the TB. So sick of the morons that post on here.