Bad transaction with andre sinclair
11-09-13, 01:13 PM
#1
Bad transaction with andre sinclair
Bought a set of rotor housings from andre sinclair in this thread... https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...using-1050408/
The rear housing has flaking that is 3 inches long and was spoken of or even shown in the pictures for me to see.
The front housing doesn't pass the spec for heat warp. Andre specifies in the thread that the "housing's are good for a rebuild."
Furthermore, the pictures also didn't really show the extent to the cracking. There's a ton of stress that nearly extends the whole length across the leading support bridge for both housings. There is also trailing cracking.
I contacted Andre and told him about the situation. He wanted to negotiate a deal for the housings but the housings are unfortunately display items aka paper weights. I asked for a full refund, told him that I felt not responsible at all for the confusion asked him to cover the return shipping. His response to that was
"The housing were sold and shipped as is. Please disregard my previous PM message as no refund will be offered."
I replied giving him one more chance to work things out and I have not heard back from him since.
Don't trust his descriptions and expect him to not be accountable for his deceptive "easy to work with" front.
The rear housing has flaking that is 3 inches long and was spoken of or even shown in the pictures for me to see.
The front housing doesn't pass the spec for heat warp. Andre specifies in the thread that the "housing's are good for a rebuild."
Furthermore, the pictures also didn't really show the extent to the cracking. There's a ton of stress that nearly extends the whole length across the leading support bridge for both housings. There is also trailing cracking.
I contacted Andre and told him about the situation. He wanted to negotiate a deal for the housings but the housings are unfortunately display items aka paper weights. I asked for a full refund, told him that I felt not responsible at all for the confusion asked him to cover the return shipping. His response to that was
"The housing were sold and shipped as is. Please disregard my previous PM message as no refund will be offered."
I replied giving him one more chance to work things out and I have not heard back from him since.
Don't trust his descriptions and expect him to not be accountable for his deceptive "easy to work with" front.
11-12-13, 09:58 AM
#3
POSTING ON RX7 FORUM ON 11/3/2013
F/S: Matched set of ported FD housing
Category: Engine - Intake/Fuel
Price: $500
Private or Vendor Listing: Private Listing
Part Fits (you may select multiples): 1989-1991, 1993+
Location (US State/Canada/Int): FL
Item Condition: Used
I have a matched set of ported FD housing for sale. I built the motor using RA super seals and dissemble the motor after 5K for two flat corner seals. There's two cracks in the leading plug area as you will notice in the pictures. Housing are good for a rebuild.
Pm me if interested, I can send you pictures... I'm selling the pair at a steal of 500.00.
Thanks,
Andre
************
LANCE MAYON RESPONDED TO POSTING REQUESTING ADDITIONAL PICTURES – FORUM CORRESPONDENCE
11-04-13, 02:44 AM
Housings
Andre, please send pictures to Sales@FreelanceMotorsports.com
************
EMAIL COORESPONDENCE
> On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Freelance Motorsports LLC
> <sales@freelancemotorsports.com> wrote:
>
>> Andre, thank you for the pictures. After looking them over and taking
>> into extent the cracking and considerable erosion on the cooling seal
>> surface we could only offer $400 with shipping included. I hope to not
>> offend you but there will be considerate work involved on our end to
>> take them back to solid useable condition.
>>
>> ---
>> Lance Mayhon
>> Freelance Motorsports LLC
>> Office (845) 332-8652
>> Cell (845) 532-4378
************
EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE
On 11/04/2013 10:10, Andre Sinclair wrote:
> Hello Lance,
>
> Thanks for your offer ($400), however the least I am willing to
> accept is $450, which includes shipping and Paypal fee.
>
> If you agree, you can send funds to my Paypal: synco357@aol.com.
************
EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE
Andre, we sent the payment. Please send shipment tracking asap. We look
forward to receiving the housings.
---
Lance Mayhon
Freelance Motorsports LLC
Office (845) 332-8652
Cell (845) 532-4378
Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:20 am
Hey Lance,
Payment received. I'll send FedEx tracking within 2 hours.
Thanks,
Andre
Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:45 pm
Hey Lance, the housings were shipped via FedEx: tracking number is 797072209964.
Thanks,
Andre
PS: the studs are in the box and a piece of paper taped up.
************
FORUM CORRESPONDENCE
Andre, we got the housings but there's unfortunately a couple problems. The rear housing has flaking that is 3 inches long and the front housing doesn't pass the spec for heat warp.
Furthermore, the pictures also didn't really show the extent to the cracking. There's a ton of stress that nearly extends the whole length across the leading support bridge.
The housings are in reality shelf decorations. We really won't be able to justify resurfacing these housings and selling them. I'm not really sure if you were aware of all these details, so I'm just bringing it all to your attention right now. How should we proceed from here?
-Lance Mayhon
Originally Posted by andre sinclair
QUOTE]
Lance,
There was no flaking on the housings when I sent them. However, I'm aware that the leading spark plug area has a 3mm crack which was indicated in the description write up. Hence me sending pictures... To which you negotiated the price.
************
LAST RESPONSE ON FORUM
Re: Housings
Hey Lance,
An additional 12 pictures were sent to you upon your request. Upon your review you made a counter offer of 400.00. We thereafter agreed upon 450.00 to include shipping and Paypal fees.
The housing were sold and shipped as is. Please disregard my previous PM message as no refund will be offered.
F/S: Matched set of ported FD housing
Category: Engine - Intake/Fuel
Price: $500
Private or Vendor Listing: Private Listing
Part Fits (you may select multiples): 1989-1991, 1993+
Location (US State/Canada/Int): FL
Item Condition: Used
I have a matched set of ported FD housing for sale. I built the motor using RA super seals and dissemble the motor after 5K for two flat corner seals. There's two cracks in the leading plug area as you will notice in the pictures. Housing are good for a rebuild.
Pm me if interested, I can send you pictures... I'm selling the pair at a steal of 500.00.
Thanks,
Andre
************
LANCE MAYON RESPONDED TO POSTING REQUESTING ADDITIONAL PICTURES – FORUM CORRESPONDENCE
11-04-13, 02:44 AM
Housings
Andre, please send pictures to Sales@FreelanceMotorsports.com
************
EMAIL COORESPONDENCE
> On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Freelance Motorsports LLC
> <sales@freelancemotorsports.com> wrote:
>
>> Andre, thank you for the pictures. After looking them over and taking
>> into extent the cracking and considerable erosion on the cooling seal
>> surface we could only offer $400 with shipping included. I hope to not
>> offend you but there will be considerate work involved on our end to
>> take them back to solid useable condition.
>>
>> ---
>> Lance Mayhon
>> Freelance Motorsports LLC
>> Office (845) 332-8652
>> Cell (845) 532-4378
************
EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE
On 11/04/2013 10:10, Andre Sinclair wrote:
> Hello Lance,
>
> Thanks for your offer ($400), however the least I am willing to
> accept is $450, which includes shipping and Paypal fee.
>
> If you agree, you can send funds to my Paypal: synco357@aol.com.
************
EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE
Andre, we sent the payment. Please send shipment tracking asap. We look
forward to receiving the housings.
---
Lance Mayhon
Freelance Motorsports LLC
Office (845) 332-8652
Cell (845) 532-4378
Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:20 am
Hey Lance,
Payment received. I'll send FedEx tracking within 2 hours.
Thanks,
Andre
Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:45 pm
Hey Lance, the housings were shipped via FedEx: tracking number is 797072209964.
Thanks,
Andre
PS: the studs are in the box and a piece of paper taped up.
************
FORUM CORRESPONDENCE
Andre, we got the housings but there's unfortunately a couple problems. The rear housing has flaking that is 3 inches long and the front housing doesn't pass the spec for heat warp.
Furthermore, the pictures also didn't really show the extent to the cracking. There's a ton of stress that nearly extends the whole length across the leading support bridge.
The housings are in reality shelf decorations. We really won't be able to justify resurfacing these housings and selling them. I'm not really sure if you were aware of all these details, so I'm just bringing it all to your attention right now. How should we proceed from here?
-Lance Mayhon
Originally Posted by andre sinclair
QUOTE]
Lance,
There was no flaking on the housings when I sent them. However, I'm aware that the leading spark plug area has a 3mm crack which was indicated in the description write up. Hence me sending pictures... To which you negotiated the price.
************
LAST RESPONSE ON FORUM
Re: Housings
Hey Lance,
An additional 12 pictures were sent to you upon your request. Upon your review you made a counter offer of 400.00. We thereafter agreed upon 450.00 to include shipping and Paypal fees.
The housing were sold and shipped as is. Please disregard my previous PM message as no refund will be offered.
11-16-13, 12:20 PM
#5
Paypal's Conclusion
Hello Andre Sinclair,
We have concluded our investigation and have decided in your favor. Any
funds that may have been temporarily held have been returned to your
account.
-----------------------------------
Transaction Details
-----------------------------------
Seller's Name: Andre Sinclair
Transaction Date: Nov 4, 2013
Transaction Amount: -$450.00
Thanks,
PayPal
Hello Andre Sinclair,
We have concluded our investigation and have decided in your favor. Any
funds that may have been temporarily held have been returned to your
account.
-----------------------------------
Transaction Details
-----------------------------------
Seller's Name: Andre Sinclair
Transaction Date: Nov 4, 2013
Transaction Amount: -$450.00
Thanks,
PayPal
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11-19-13, 11:32 AM
#9
I don't know man, that chrome flaking is minimal at worst IMO. I routinely use MUCH worse than that with great success. Asking for housings in better condition than that is basically asking for perfection. Finding housings in such condition is about a 1 in 100 shot, in my experience. Also IMO, as builders, it is our responsibility to have realistic expecations based on the experience of seeing hundreds of housings...and assume that what we are buying is not perfect or like new.
As far as warpage and other specs, it would be good to have all sellers of housings be engine builders and be able to accurately spec the housings, but that's not really realistic. The very reason we are able to buy these housings at low prices is BECAUSE they are being sold by people who are not engine builders. If you or I have a perfect condition set of housings that fully spec out for reuse, and we sell them to a buyer or put them into a customer engine, we are going to get top dollar for them...because we are builders and have inspected them, and will likely warranty them.
On the other hand, buying from Joe Blow here on the forum is always a risk. These people do not always know what they actually have it what condition it is REALLY in, and we as buyers can only tell so much from pics. But, that is part of buying used housings on the internet from random sellers. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You can't necessarily turn around and blame the seller for minor issues that you later find and they were 1) not aware of due to lack of experience or 2) unable to check for. Unless there are glaring discrepancies, I chalk it up to the risk we take by buying online...and that's why I always try to negotiate the price as low as possible, to help cover for the very real possibility that the parts have hidden issues that won't come to light until I do a builder-level inspection on them.
IF all sellers of used engine internals were builders and could fully and thoroughly inspect parts for perfection, there would be no used parts on the market that we could afford.
As far as warpage and other specs, it would be good to have all sellers of housings be engine builders and be able to accurately spec the housings, but that's not really realistic. The very reason we are able to buy these housings at low prices is BECAUSE they are being sold by people who are not engine builders. If you or I have a perfect condition set of housings that fully spec out for reuse, and we sell them to a buyer or put them into a customer engine, we are going to get top dollar for them...because we are builders and have inspected them, and will likely warranty them.
On the other hand, buying from Joe Blow here on the forum is always a risk. These people do not always know what they actually have it what condition it is REALLY in, and we as buyers can only tell so much from pics. But, that is part of buying used housings on the internet from random sellers. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You can't necessarily turn around and blame the seller for minor issues that you later find and they were 1) not aware of due to lack of experience or 2) unable to check for. Unless there are glaring discrepancies, I chalk it up to the risk we take by buying online...and that's why I always try to negotiate the price as low as possible, to help cover for the very real possibility that the parts have hidden issues that won't come to light until I do a builder-level inspection on them.
IF all sellers of used engine internals were builders and could fully and thoroughly inspect parts for perfection, there would be no used parts on the market that we could afford.
Last edited by RotaryResurrection; 11-19-13 at 11:35 AM.
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