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Old 08-11-12, 08:45 AM
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Will keep a eye on the fuel line. Thanks.

Had the osg twin plate so went with that. Think when this clutch goes out, will go back to stock flywheel and act clutch.
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Thinking about going back with stock flywheel. Maybe I should sale the OSG now and spend that money on a act for the stock flywheel.

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Check out Clutchmasters twin disk with a steel flywheel.
You get a twin disk with lots of rotational mass for launching.
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Got the launch issue worked out. Made some changes to my clutch flow control and made some 1.5 60ft launches last night lifting the front wheels.

Question.
What is the leanest any one gone with this stuff? Now running 12.2 and it pulls great but in 4th gear it runs in the low/mid 11s afr. (correction maps) The power diffidence is noticeable. Makes me thing that maybe mid/high 12s may be were the power is at. Timing looks good according to the plugs.

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air temps

What are you guys seeing?
Front mount
Air temp sensor is before the t-body (gm)
28psi
85F ambient.
1/4 mile run
Start just over ambient and 145 at the end of the track.
Wondering if anyone with there sensor in the manifold getting lower temps?

Then added a M10 650cc water meth (50/50) nozzle and dropped the air temp to 123f.
Nozzle is located just after the intercooler.
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Originally Posted by sleeper7
What are you guys seeing?
Front mount
Air temp sensor is before the t-body (gm)
28psi
85F ambient.
1/4 mile run
Start just over ambient and 145 at the end of the track.
Wondering if anyone with there sensor in the manifold getting lower temps?

Then added a M10 650cc water meth (50/50) nozzle and dropped the air temp to 123f.
Nozzle is located just after the intercooler.

Are you running e85 and meth?
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mixture of e85 and race gas with a 650cc nozzle of 50/50 meth water injection.

No good?
Old 08-19-12, 11:26 AM
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That's a lot of different fuel mixtures eh chuck?
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didn't want to go with bigger injectors and a larger fuel pump so mixed the race gas with E85 and still have enough fuel for 34psi. Goal is to push a solid 30psi and spray a 75 shot on top of that. When the tune is 100% good, to me anyways.

Since changing from water/air to air/air intercooler, added the meth/water injection to help with air temp.
Seems to be working. how long we'll see.
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Originally Posted by sleeper7
didn't want to go with bigger injectors and a larger fuel pump so mixed the race gas with E85 and still have enough fuel for 34psi. Goal is to push a solid 30psi and spray a 75 shot on top of that. When the tune is 100% good, to me anyways.

Since changing from water/air to air/air intercooler, added the meth/water injection to help with air temp.
Seems to be working. how long we'll see.
Why didn't you leave water to air, then add meth injection on top of that. Full e85 should give you plenty room to reach mbt before kr*. Not to mention the cooling effects from e85 as well. No need to mix e85 with race...you should just run e85 or race. But running full e85 on nitrous would be awesome combo, since the higher alcohol rating would pretty much make you knock resistance. I tuned a speed3 for a 75 shot on full e85. Last year 0 issues.
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race gas was costing me 14$ a gallon. Now the fuel mix is 60% less. Don't have enough injectors for strait e85, reason for mixing. But the cost of fuel was the big thing.

Reason for dumping the water/air. weight, cost of ice and it was a total pain in the azz. Did this for several years and am totally glad about the switch over.
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Originally Posted by sleeper7
race gas was costing me 14$ a gallon. Now the fuel mix is 60% less. Don't have enough injectors for strait e85, reason for mixing. But the cost of fuel was the big thing.

Reason for dumping the water/air. weight, cost of ice and it was a total pain in the azz. Did this for several years and am totally glad about the switch over.
Wow. I'm sorry that's pretty redic. Considering e85 content is hardly ever e85 but usually e70. Are you filling up with the same ratio's everytime?
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Originally Posted by J-LISS
Wow. I'm sorry that's pretty redic. Considering e85 content is hardly ever e85 but usually e70. Are you filling up with the same ratio's everytime?
Been testing E85 in my area for over 2 years and it is ALWAYS at least 85%, sometimes 91%.
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I think the up front cost of buying the injectors is better than the longterm purchase of any race gas. considering a full tank of e85 costs me $35.
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One thing is have noticed is my engine maintains its operating temps a lot easier and it cools back down quicker after pulls maybe its placebo...
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Originally Posted by RXTASY57
Been testing E85 in my area for over 2 years and it is ALWAYS at least 85%, sometimes 91%.

How do you perform your tests?
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Originally Posted by J-LISS
How do you perform your tests?
Maybe like this?

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Originally Posted by J-LISS
How do you perform your tests?
Yep! Just like that.
How do you test yours?
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
One thing is have noticed is my engine maintains its operating temps a lot easier and it cools back down quicker after pulls maybe its placebo...
I have noticed that also.
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I have tested all the stations that I go to in my area consistently for about 10 months and have never had anything under 90% Ethanol ever.

I'm guessing that since it is pretty much warm year round here, Arizona, they never change the % of Ethanol. In colder climates I'm sure the % of Ethanol is lowered in the winter.
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Originally Posted by Neutron
I have tested all the stations that I go to in my area consistently for about 10 months and have never had anything under 90% Ethanol ever.

I'm guessing that since it is pretty much warm year round here, Arizona, they never change the % of Ethanol. In colder climates I'm sure the % of Ethanol is lowered in the winter.
Yea I test mine out but I don't have a test tube like his I just use a measuring cup.

Hotter states usually will never see a change, but here in IL we have a winter blend. Fall blend. And summer blend.
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
I think the up front cost of buying the injectors is better than the longterm purchase of any race gas. considering a full tank of e85 costs me $35.
It's actually a trickle down effect, for me anyways. My current setup is limiting my power out put and keeping me in the low 10s area.
Add bigger injectors allows me to run more boost. Now my fuel pump is to small. Upgrade to a bigger fuel pump for 600$. (dont like the idea of two pumps) Now able to run 40psi. The extra power is going to break the stock trans so a upgraded one will have to be bought. 5000$. Then the cage will have to be upgraded to pass inspection to go 9.5 and faster. Now a parachute and full race suit will have to be bought.

If I could just do a little more upgrade and was able to limit myself to 30psi that would be good. But with me, i'll run what ever the car will take.
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Originally Posted by J-LISS
Wow. I'm sorry that's pretty redic. Considering e85 content is hardly ever e85 but usually e70. Are you filling up with the same ratio's everytime?
Wish I had a dollar every time some one said that to me. and every time some one said this or that should not work, I'd be a rich man.

After reading/realizing e70 will run richer then e85 my mind is at ease. Just going to make the motor run richer in turn is safer.



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Looks like I'll be ordering me a test tube today. Thanks for the video.
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Originally Posted by sleeper7
Wish I had a dollar every time some one said that to me. and every time some one said this or that should not work, I'd be a rich man.

After reading/realizing e70 will run richer then e85 my mind is at ease. Just going to make the motor run richer in turn is safer.



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Looks like I'll be ordering me a test tube today. Thanks for the video.
Found my test tube on Ebay.
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Just ordered one from ebay. Thanks.


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