What will constitute a "Stock" FD in the future
10-09-08, 05:43 PM
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What will constitute a "Stock" FD in the future
What will constitute a "Stock" FD in future collector markets? Pure and simple must it be a 100% restoration of an 93, 94, or 95 with year specific replacement parts ? Will some upgrades hold the value or plummet the value of the FD
- If upgrades are only pure Mazdaspeed FD products?
- If upgrades include improved later version JDM FD parts?
- If upgrades above are combined with high end FD tuners?
- Limits to upgrades? Reliability mod’s only,?; improved cooling w/ MSpeed, Koyo, Fluidyne rad’s.? as with IC MS, Japan tuner?
- ECU upgrades?
- Turbo upgrade to ’99 JDM?, BNR?
- BBK kits; MS, JDM RZ, other?
- ’99 JDM body clone with JDM parts?
- Spirit R clone is it all or nothing (RHD only?)
- If upgrades are only pure Mazdaspeed FD products?
- If upgrades include improved later version JDM FD parts?
- If upgrades above are combined with high end FD tuners?
- Limits to upgrades? Reliability mod’s only,?; improved cooling w/ MSpeed, Koyo, Fluidyne rad’s.? as with IC MS, Japan tuner?
- ECU upgrades?
- Turbo upgrade to ’99 JDM?, BNR?
- BBK kits; MS, JDM RZ, other?
- ’99 JDM body clone with JDM parts?
- Spirit R clone is it all or nothing (RHD only?)
10-09-08, 06:04 PM
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interesting. i think all reliability mods should still be considered a stock car. even though some of those like the dp are also performance mods. by the time these cars r collectible they will all be far too old to have survived that long by being completely stock. unless of course they were never driven. but even then lots of parts would have deteriorated by then.
10-09-08, 06:11 PM
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In my mind, I would only consider it collectably "stock" if it's got only Mazda parts from that model year. That would be in the purest sense of a collectible mint condition car, and I would expect it to be most coveted.
However, I personally would also see mazdaspeed parts and updated Mazda parts as acceptable for a low mileage car. In my mind that's 90% as collectible as the virgin stock car.
Keep in mind my vote is of little value because I don't have money for buying another FD.
Dave
However, I personally would also see mazdaspeed parts and updated Mazda parts as acceptable for a low mileage car. In my mind that's 90% as collectible as the virgin stock car.
Keep in mind my vote is of little value because I don't have money for buying another FD.
Dave
10-09-08, 06:14 PM
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Buy aftermarket parts for now but keep your original stock parts. Even if you're not buying it as a collector, you should keep it around just in case buyer's don't want a modified car or doesn't like your taste of choices.
10-09-08, 06:20 PM
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Who is to say for sure..
I believe reliability mods would help constitute stock but it really depends on if you are saying Barret-Jackson stock or realistically stock. We all know what leaving these things stock can do but it really depends on who you are and what it means to you.
99spec on a 93-95 would not be true stock but it would be a tasteful mod in most peoples' opinions.
Keeping it twin turbo with rats nest might be the kicker. A stock mount intercooler should be alright, too.
99spec on a 93-95 would not be true stock but it would be a tasteful mod in most peoples' opinions.
Keeping it twin turbo with rats nest might be the kicker. A stock mount intercooler should be alright, too.
10-09-08, 06:33 PM
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i think stock is stock, meaning stock ast, stock rad, stock everything, if modifications have been made it would then follow under the category of custom. Custom cars are also sold on Barrett-Jackson. The original paint job is also a definite assest when it comes to being all original or stock.
i think even original tires are also considered an asset when selling a collectible automobile. of course the mileage would have to be next to zero for this to happen.
any wear components having to be replaced on the vehicle such as brakes,suspension, or a crispy rats nest would show signs of the cars mileage and price would be reflected accordingly
i think even original tires are also considered an asset when selling a collectible automobile. of course the mileage would have to be next to zero for this to happen.
any wear components having to be replaced on the vehicle such as brakes,suspension, or a crispy rats nest would show signs of the cars mileage and price would be reflected accordingly
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10-09-08, 09:34 PM
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I agree with the geese. Thats why Im keeping all my stock parts but Im beginning to think there are to many miles on my car to be valuable. I have 61k on the chassis and 35k on the engine. If I were going to spend big money on a 7, I would look for a low mile virgin 7 even if it did have rotten hoses.
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10-09-08, 10:30 PM
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This is not really imperative, depending on many other things, but certainly, there are those who would say that the most collectible version of the Rx7 will be one with all numbers matching and stock FD Mazda everything will be the museum quality, ultimately highest value collectibles.
However, when I have shown older cars, like MG's or Alfa's, the concours judges have no issues with "period correct" accessories, like racing parts that were available for the car at the time it was made. This certainly extends to all kinds of engine and drivetrain mods that are done right. However, and especially given the nature of what some do to these cars (FD's), I think going overboard will hurt the collectibility to some degree.
I think cars with reliability mods primarily will be treated almost the same as pure numbers matching cars.
Gordon
However, when I have shown older cars, like MG's or Alfa's, the concours judges have no issues with "period correct" accessories, like racing parts that were available for the car at the time it was made. This certainly extends to all kinds of engine and drivetrain mods that are done right. However, and especially given the nature of what some do to these cars (FD's), I think going overboard will hurt the collectibility to some degree.
I think cars with reliability mods primarily will be treated almost the same as pure numbers matching cars.
Gordon
My experience in the late 70's with a Triumph TR4 and jaguar E-Type was that factory accessories and factory race parts were highly desirable options. Of course the TR's had not started to climb in value until now and the Jag. was a fortune to maintain and in my young career had to dump my "love" of the time. Now almost 30 years later it is Loti my first love in high school and rotary cars.
As I have matured, I look at cars based on what I like and want from them as i select my art, what i see in a gallery that grabs my attention not a desire to accept something I don't reaaly like but it has the name.
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10-09-08, 10:40 PM
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I really ask this question, because my own car while still in very very good condition has started on a customization trend to fulfill my wants. I keep it pure stock for about 10 years. Today I regret that I did not keep it stock and just pick up a second to modify. I have kept every stock part and they are still in great condition and all mods have been with highest quality parts: MS, JDM, RE A, Apexi, Trust other than suspension where I when for function within class rules but other areas I have done to satisfy myself, interior leather red stitched trim and roll bar, fender lip rolls that have left permanent scars on the "stockness".
10-09-08, 10:46 PM
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[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][SIZE=3]What will constitute a "Stock" FD in future collector markets? Pure and simple must it be a 100% restoration of an 93, 94, or 95 with year specific replacement parts ? Will some upgrades hold the value or plummet the value of the FD
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10-10-08, 12:33 PM
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i think its pretty context dependant.
if you want a barret jackson type car, then really mild mods like a radiator, cat back and nice wheels probably are good
if you're pebble beach concourse. the car has to be 100% factory. you'd get points deducted for not using the mazda vacuum line (it is available, and it is marked), and ngk plug wires (the factory used yazaki, again its available). we have the documentation, it would be really easy to do.
the difference is that the concours car probably wouldnt get driven, as it has to pass the white glove test, everywhere (and they do).
the barret jackson type car is probably something you drive to work on fridays.
if you want a barret jackson type car, then really mild mods like a radiator, cat back and nice wheels probably are good
if you're pebble beach concourse. the car has to be 100% factory. you'd get points deducted for not using the mazda vacuum line (it is available, and it is marked), and ngk plug wires (the factory used yazaki, again its available). we have the documentation, it would be really easy to do.
the difference is that the concours car probably wouldnt get driven, as it has to pass the white glove test, everywhere (and they do).
the barret jackson type car is probably something you drive to work on fridays.
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10-10-08, 01:02 PM
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For a lot of us it is probably moot.
Too much time, money, blood, sweat and tears in the car to ever get rid of it.
If I sold it, I would just have to get something else, that would cost time, money...
Or get another FD
Besides, it's just too much fun to drive.
Too much time, money, blood, sweat and tears in the car to ever get rid of it.
If I sold it, I would just have to get something else, that would cost time, money...
Or get another FD
Besides, it's just too much fun to drive.
10-10-08, 02:17 PM
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IMHO our (orig. owner) '94 is pretty close to stock... vacuum hoses changed to Viton, Dale Clark's check valves replaced originals, Bonez DP replaced pre-cat, and that's it. Everything else is OEM.
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