upgrades stage question
#4
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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Which FAQ entry are you talking about? I presume you are referring to wideband sensors, which are usually five wire.
http://wbo2.com/lsu/default.htm
http://wbo2.com/lsu/default.htm
#6
i was reading this on the FC3S.net website on upgrade stages and i found this note here
:note:
A couple people have mentioned in the past that they are not sure of what order to do things with a third gen. They say the other cars they own have stages of modifications that are safe. This is probably a pretty good idea. I can't count how many times a person has asked, "what should I do next?" So I'll put it to the list to debate the order that things can or should be done and to come up with a stage I II III IV V and so on. The main thing I would tend to suggest is two versions based on what I have seen. A Race stage list and Legal stage list.
Here are some ideas. The important part is that it be a universal with no pushing of any particular shop
Race Stage I
Catback
Midpipe
Or all in one like mine
Intake
Boost Gauge
Legal Stage I
Catback
Air intake
Boost Gauge
Race Stage II
Computer
Intercooler
Clutch
Flywheel (optional)
Legal Stage II
Intercooler
Computer
Race Stage III
Downpipe
Boost control (if not on computer)
Vacuum hose tied
3 wire O2 sensor (run high octane fuel at higher boost)
Front swaybar
Springs and Shocks
Colder temp range plugs
Legal Stage III
Clutch
Flywheel (optional)
Hi Flow cat
Downpipe (optional)*
Front swaybar
Springs and Shocks
Race Stage IV
Larger Turbo's (single, super 50 stock conversion or huge twin like Trev
and I)
Non Sequential conversion for upgraded stock (optional)
Ignition Amp (HI6 etc.)
Fuel system upgrade (pumps, injectors size etc.)
Roll Bar
Coil Over adjustable ride height susp.
Legal Stage IV
Larger Turbo's...
Non sequential conversion (optional)
Ignition Amp
Colder plugs
Roll Bar
Coil Over adjustable ride height susp.
Race Stage V
Stand alone ECU (Motec, Haltec etc.)
Ported motor
Internal motor upgrades (apex seals, oil rings etc.)
Bushings etc.
Legal Stage V
What's the point?
Race Stage VI
What ever else I missed.
I can see that there should probably be seperation between power and suspension mods. Most people do the suspension at different times and it really doesn't matter what order you do it in. For this reason I left things out like brakes and pads, rotors etc. Maybe there should be a different Stage list for suspension. So let's see what the list does with this. It would be nice for each vendor to follow a proper order so that people stop blowing motors etc. and do things in a reliable fashion.
and i was wondering about that 3 wire o2 sensors. i know they sell them probably for hondas or GM but i was wondering about how to hook it up and feedback about this mod. thanks
eddie
:note:
A couple people have mentioned in the past that they are not sure of what order to do things with a third gen. They say the other cars they own have stages of modifications that are safe. This is probably a pretty good idea. I can't count how many times a person has asked, "what should I do next?" So I'll put it to the list to debate the order that things can or should be done and to come up with a stage I II III IV V and so on. The main thing I would tend to suggest is two versions based on what I have seen. A Race stage list and Legal stage list.
Here are some ideas. The important part is that it be a universal with no pushing of any particular shop
Race Stage I
Catback
Midpipe
Or all in one like mine
Intake
Boost Gauge
Legal Stage I
Catback
Air intake
Boost Gauge
Race Stage II
Computer
Intercooler
Clutch
Flywheel (optional)
Legal Stage II
Intercooler
Computer
Race Stage III
Downpipe
Boost control (if not on computer)
Vacuum hose tied
3 wire O2 sensor (run high octane fuel at higher boost)
Front swaybar
Springs and Shocks
Colder temp range plugs
Legal Stage III
Clutch
Flywheel (optional)
Hi Flow cat
Downpipe (optional)*
Front swaybar
Springs and Shocks
Race Stage IV
Larger Turbo's (single, super 50 stock conversion or huge twin like Trev
and I)
Non Sequential conversion for upgraded stock (optional)
Ignition Amp (HI6 etc.)
Fuel system upgrade (pumps, injectors size etc.)
Roll Bar
Coil Over adjustable ride height susp.
Legal Stage IV
Larger Turbo's...
Non sequential conversion (optional)
Ignition Amp
Colder plugs
Roll Bar
Coil Over adjustable ride height susp.
Race Stage V
Stand alone ECU (Motec, Haltec etc.)
Ported motor
Internal motor upgrades (apex seals, oil rings etc.)
Bushings etc.
Legal Stage V
What's the point?
Race Stage VI
What ever else I missed.
I can see that there should probably be seperation between power and suspension mods. Most people do the suspension at different times and it really doesn't matter what order you do it in. For this reason I left things out like brakes and pads, rotors etc. Maybe there should be a different Stage list for suspension. So let's see what the list does with this. It would be nice for each vendor to follow a proper order so that people stop blowing motors etc. and do things in a reliable fashion.
and i was wondering about that 3 wire o2 sensors. i know they sell them probably for hondas or GM but i was wondering about how to hook it up and feedback about this mod. thanks
eddie
#7
In the Garage
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I don't really know who posted that but they have so many things in the wrong order of importance..... Obviously someone that does not know what the hell they are doing with the FD. There really isn't even a good place to start other than saying it is mostly incorrect. A downpipe is one of the first things that should be taken off due to its proven nature of retaining too much heat and causing damage. More of a reliability mod than just a performance mod. And you cannot bolt up a midpipe and catback without some sort of ecu upgrade without causing serious damage and in a short period of time the motor would go.. Idiots... (not you, the guy that came up with that crap..) Do a search on here, or just check out the faq in the third gen section that will list the CORRECT type/order of information that was attempted above.
On your original question, I think you are looking for the map sensor like what was mentioned above. There is a how to on here to accomplish that install. But know that you will have to retune the car if you install that.
On your original question, I think you are looking for the map sensor like what was mentioned above. There is a how to on here to accomplish that install. But know that you will have to retune the car if you install that.
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#8
~17 MPG
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3rd Gen FAQ:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/faq-3rd-gen-other-useful-links-68640/
Reliability Mods:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/want-buy-3rd-gen-need-reliabilty-mod-help-41513/
http://www.fd3s.net/stages.html
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-gen-archives-73/need-questions-answered-experienced-3rd-gen-owners-27053/ << read the post by jimlab
http://www.turborx7.com/recomend.htm
Reliability mods / $1000 to spend
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/i-have-%241-000-spend-339981/
I'd suggest upgrading the computer and fuel system before installing a midpipe. People have proven time and time again that the stock ECU and fuel system just can't compensate for significant airflow improvements.
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/faq-3rd-gen-other-useful-links-68640/
Reliability Mods:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/want-buy-3rd-gen-need-reliabilty-mod-help-41513/
http://www.fd3s.net/stages.html
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-gen-archives-73/need-questions-answered-experienced-3rd-gen-owners-27053/ << read the post by jimlab
http://www.turborx7.com/recomend.htm
Reliability mods / $1000 to spend
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/i-have-%241-000-spend-339981/
I'd suggest upgrading the computer and fuel system before installing a midpipe. People have proven time and time again that the stock ECU and fuel system just can't compensate for significant airflow improvements.
#9
I don't really know who posted that but they have so many things in the wrong order of importance..... Obviously someone that does not know what the hell they are doing with the FD. There really isn't even a good place to start other than saying it is mostly incorrect. A downpipe is one of the first things that should be taken off due to its proven nature of retaining too much heat and causing damage. More of a reliability mod than just a performance mod. And you cannot bolt up a midpipe and catback without some sort of ecu upgrade without causing serious damage and in a short period of time the motor would go.. Idiots... (not you, the guy that came up with that crap..) Do a search on here, or just check out the faq in the third gen section that will list the CORRECT type/order of information that was attempted above.
On your original question, I think you are looking for the map sensor like what was mentioned above. There is a how to on here to accomplish that install. But know that you will have to retune the car if you install that.
On your original question, I think you are looking for the map sensor like what was mentioned above. There is a how to on here to accomplish that install. But know that you will have to retune the car if you install that.
thanks
eddie
and BTW i know how to use the dam search button but most of the search are so old that pics and info are not there anymore
sorry for the moderator for my laguage.
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