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Old Mar 14, 2004 | 11:47 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Trying to make the ultimate Non Sequential Diagram!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by fc1jz
It looks like the line going to the boost controler is attached to the intake in the diagram, but it is not. It must sense boost from somewhere. You do not need the solenoids for the actuator to work, just a vaccum line to the UIM or turbo xover or something. Just needs to sense boost so it can open.
does boost control box connect to any other line other than 2 dark blue line?
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Old Mar 14, 2004 | 11:55 PM
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dude your freakin awesome!!!! i was jus going to ask everyone for a good diagram to do this! i have been wanting to do it for a little while now!

couple of questions tho:
1.do you take the "rats nest" out?
2. i heard that your suppose to use alot of blockoff plates. if so where do you get them at?
3. what do you use to cap all the nipples
4. are you suppose to have the primary WG capped off? and why?
thanks
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Old Mar 14, 2004 | 11:59 PM
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and also i dont have a "gas filter" thats goes between the vacuum line going to the pressure sensor... is this bad?
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by FD3RotorTurbo
dude your freakin awesome!!!! i was jus going to ask everyone for a good diagram to do this! i have been wanting to do it for a little while now!

couple of questions tho:
1.do you take the "rats nest" out?
2. i heard that your suppose to use alot of blockoff plates. if so where do you get them at?
3. what do you use to cap all the nipples
4. are you suppose to have the primary WG capped off? and why?
thanks
1.Yes rat nest is GONE
2.Block of plates any major RX7 provider, rx7 store etc
3. Regular Caps at the Auto Store or go the extra mile and you could JB Weld them.
4. Not sure =P
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
1.Yes rat nest is GONE
2.Block of plates any major RX7 provider, rx7 store etc
3. Regular Caps at the Auto Store or go the extra mile and you could JB Weld them.
4. Not sure =P
what do the block off plates generally cost? actually what does the whole project come out to costing?
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by FD3RotorTurbo
what do the block off plates generally cost? actually what does the whole project come out to costing?
Price can vary from 70$ (block off plates cost) to 500$. Depends what type of boost controller you use if you go electronic or Home Depot Style. Silicones hoses will set you back anywhere from 20 to 40$. Depends what route and how much cash you got.
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 09:46 AM
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Any other opinions on the red line? Just curious if it might be something to re-connect as I't was capped along with damn near everything else..
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 10:19 AM
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Would this mod lower your chances of passing emmissions?
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 12:43 PM
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Would this mod lower your chances of passing emmissions?
This mod basically removes ALL emmisions. Removes Airpump, EGR and all that other sh*t.
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 01:08 PM
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JD,

The air bleed socket for the primaries, you mean?

I've never been able to get a stable answer on this - but last thing I remember Chuck mentioned it having to do with better atomization of fuel - however it was also mentioned that most people didn't notice a difference.
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 07:21 PM
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looks almost perfect with my setup right now. Just curious. If I plugged the FPR into the UIM rather than the LIM is that gonna be a problem?

BTW nice diagram....you coulda put it out 2 months ago
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 09:56 PM
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JD,

The air bleed socket for the primaries, you mean?

I've never been able to get a stable answer on this - but last thing I remember Chuck mentioned it having to do with better atomization of fuel - however it was also mentioned that most people didn't notice a difference.
Thanks man. I haven't noticed a difference, but figured I'd ask..
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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Why anyone with a working sequential system would want to do this is beyond me

Its like saying hell yeah i want to get rid of half my powerband!



"Hi my names mike and ive been a non sequential user for 9 months"
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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nice diagram
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Old Mar 15, 2004 | 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by XSTransAm
Why anyone with a working sequential system would want to do this is beyond me

Its like saying hell yeah i want to get rid of half my powerband!
Really? I thought it was more like saying "I'd like some more midrange power and I'll do without the transition dip, thanks."

Have you even looked at dyno charts for properly converted non-sequential cars?

http://www.micromanx.com/goble/rx7/p...3/compare.html
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 12:30 AM
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I dont see how that is a relevant compairison seeing as how they were done on different days, with different dynos with different cars and "similar" setups. Next time im by my work ill dig up my old seq vs non seq graph that was done on the same day, on the same dyno, with the same car and mods... ill post it and you can make your own decisions.

(noting that this wouldent be definitive because my second turbo wasent kicking more than about 7 psi anyways but until 4500 the difference in power is scary)
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by XSTransAm
Why anyone with a working sequential system would want to do this is beyond me

Its like saying hell yeah i want to get rid of half my powerband!



"Hi my names mike and ive been a non sequential user for 9 months"
Uhh, you gain in the mid-range, which is a much more usable zone than the low-end.

In case you forgot, it takes ENERGY to spool the 2nd turbo. You do it in serial, we do it in parallel.
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 01:00 AM
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i m not really sure about the line from FPR ? has it a line over there already ?? or i have to relocate the line from some where to FPR??? And how will it blown the motor ??
thax guys ...... >.<
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by RE13REW
i m not really sure about the line from FPR ? has it a line over there already ?? or i have to relocate the line from some where to FPR??? And how will it blown the motor ??
thax guys ...... >.<
Im not sure about a blown motor but I heard it makes it quite difficult to start when hot.
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 01:06 AM
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w00t i found my graph! so where exactly are you gaining power... that 500 rpm transition?

if you want to trade that for that 3500 rpms of boost be my guest.

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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by XSTransAm
Next time im by my work ill dig up my old seq vs non seq graph that was done on the same day, on the same dyno, with the same car and mods...
What did you do, wire the control gates open and assume that was equivalent to non-sequential?

If it was done on the same day, then it was either the longest day in history, or you weren't comparing a properly converted non-sequential system.

(noting that this wouldent be definitive because my second turbo wasent kicking more than about 7 psi anyways but until 4500 the difference in power is scary)
Even more reason why your results aren't worth anything.
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by XSTransAm
if you want to trade that for that 3500 rpms of boost be my guest.
The turbos spool considerably faster in non-sequential configuration after you remove the control gates, port the exhaust manifold, and get rid of your catalytic converters...
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Even more reason why your results aren't worth anything.
they are worth more than the 3 random dyno graphs posted on the link above.

I run non sequential and I hate it, (compaired to stock sequential) end of story... anyone who thinks that they will be happier with it, enjoy.
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 01:41 AM
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We not only think, we are happier with it.
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Old Mar 16, 2004 | 01:41 AM
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And here is the graph of non sequential with full catless exhaust and with stock cat... still not worth the loss IMO

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