STOCK TURBINE FD Vs 600+HP 300ZX
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Just ask him to race you again and again until either his engine or his transmission explodes . Unless he has a Level 10 or some other upgraded transmission, I seriously doubt his tranny can hold 600HP for long. Yeah he'll kick your *** with that much power no matter how you race him, but if he thinks beating you will make 300ZXs forever better than RX-7s, I would just let him beat me out of pity.
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Just ask him to race you again and again until either his engine or his transmission explodes . Unless he has a Level 10 or some other upgraded transmission, I seriously doubt his tranny can hold 600HP for long. Yeah he'll kick your *** with that much power no matter how you race him, but if he thinks beating you will make 300ZXs forever better than RX-7s, I would just let him beat me out of pity.
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Originally posted by Panic7
You see this story began when we wanted to race each other without nitrous. His 500hp auto ZX and my 400hp manual 2660lbs RX7. Eventually the guy seemed to be afraid to race as that and he decited to add a 100hp shot of nitrous. Therefore i decited to add some 50hp nitrous too.
Knowing the launching characteristics of the ZX i believe that we will be one or two cars behind me from the 60ft. From there on our power to weight ratio seems to be similar with the difference that i using a manual tranny and low profile tires which give me my best trap speed.
The only way for me toose to this Zx idiot is only if i miss a shift or have a wheel hop during launching.
Am i missing anything else?
You see this story began when we wanted to race each other without nitrous. His 500hp auto ZX and my 400hp manual 2660lbs RX7. Eventually the guy seemed to be afraid to race as that and he decited to add a 100hp shot of nitrous. Therefore i decited to add some 50hp nitrous too.
Knowing the launching characteristics of the ZX i believe that we will be one or two cars behind me from the 60ft. From there on our power to weight ratio seems to be similar with the difference that i using a manual tranny and low profile tires which give me my best trap speed.
The only way for me toose to this Zx idiot is only if i miss a shift or have a wheel hop during launching.
Am i missing anything else?
My money is on the auto if he has sticky tires and he knows how to launch.
Ken
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Most modded 300zx's still aren't blindingly fast. How many 300zx's do you see in the import drag racing world? I think maybe 1! Too much weight and the nissan v6 is not the greatest turbocharged applicaton. But it should be close...Hope he's done and running slicks on a stock rear end and that much hp on a stock tranny. Somethings bound to go wrong.
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Originally posted by Jammer5703
Panic I gotta be honest, I've never seen it run, but there is a 300z down at my school who's puttin out I believe 650 at the wheels...I don't remember the exact number, but either way I asked him what he runs in a quarter and he said on streets he's in the low 11's and on drag radials he's runnin mid 10's. with only 400 at the flywheel the only shot you would have would be from a roll. I just don't think the stock turbos got enough to dust a 600 hp beast. Although if its 600 at the fly for him then it could be close.
Panic I gotta be honest, I've never seen it run, but there is a 300z down at my school who's puttin out I believe 650 at the wheels...I don't remember the exact number, but either way I asked him what he runs in a quarter and he said on streets he's in the low 11's and on drag radials he's runnin mid 10's. with only 400 at the flywheel the only shot you would have would be from a roll. I just don't think the stock turbos got enough to dust a 600 hp beast. Although if its 600 at the fly for him then it could be close.
-Keith
p.s. i hope that kid blows that auto tranny!!! good luck!!!
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hmmm why dont you tell him lets just go heads up.. Both street tires, thats the least he can do to make a lil more fair.. But but with you having manual you have to be flawlesswith the shifting, He just gonna stomp on the gas and go!...if it was a rollin start on a highway then i think you would have the advantage being a manual.. i have a friend whos pushing maybe a close to 400 hp to the wheels on his z, And he is running mid 12s - high 12s.. SOooo This guy could be in the 11s. But it will be close, i think its gonna come down to driver error.. you can get him if you get the perfect launch.but i say make him put on street tires.. what does the winner get??
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Just have confidence, I think you will do ok. You do need to get a upgrade stock twins or a single. BNR makes a awesome stock twins that you can push over 400+rwhp and it is only 2 grand.
I wouldn't put NOS and hurt your engine like that, since it has never had any NOS done before. NOS is temporary HPs that you have to refill, turbos are forever. Anyway the Z looks like he has some serious Hps, but he probably can not drive, since it is a automatic. At least when he beats you, you can crack on him.
Anyway Good Luck
Leo
I wouldn't put NOS and hurt your engine like that, since it has never had any NOS done before. NOS is temporary HPs that you have to refill, turbos are forever. Anyway the Z looks like he has some serious Hps, but he probably can not drive, since it is a automatic. At least when he beats you, you can crack on him.
Anyway Good Luck
Leo
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Originally posted by crazysuprakid
Too much weight and the nissan v6 is not the greatest turbocharged applicaton.
Too much weight and the nissan v6 is not the greatest turbocharged applicaton.
paul
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you guys r all bias! i own a FD and driven many Z's! the 300zx is a quick car! doesn't pull n/e thing like mine! but then again i don't think n/e cars out there really do! maybe the pagani zonda, but come on that thing's worth 200,000! hahah but n/e ways! IF HE SHOOTS NOS =/ you probably aren't going to beat him! but if he doesn't have fun celebrating
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Sorry, but NOS to me is cheap horsepower and a cheap way to win. UPGRADING THE TURBOS will be the way to go. Because you will never have to refill air/oil back into your turbos. I guess you would, hehe when you change oil, but you know what I MEAN. UPGRADE YOUR TURBOOOOOOOOOS
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300zx's aren't that hard to get into the 12's, but get into 11's is like exponentially more expensive. I remember an article on SCC with their project 300zx, which was built by JWT, and they were dissapointed it only ran 12's.
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the automatic z isnt hard to launch, especially with 500 hp behind it. Make him run street tires and expect him to take the launch. If you nail a perfect launch and he spins, your as good as gold, but launching automatics is like taking candy from a baby. If its a stock tranny on slicks, which should be pulling a 1.7 60 ft time at the least, plan on him snapping an axle or toasting the tranny. Good luck.
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don't forget that the 600hp to the flywheel has to go through that auto. drivetrain loss tends to be higher(i believe like 25-30%, compared to a manual from around 12-18%, depending on fluids) get nice synth fluids for your tranny and diff. good luck.
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Here is a suggestion.
PUT YOUR EGO ASIDE AND BAIL OUT ON THIS RACE. If he is too much of a ***** to race you without nitrous then its just not worth it anyway. Plus his engine will tolerate it much more than yours. If he really has that much hp you will probably lose.
This is not a race for the 7 vs the Z. This is a race for dollar vs. dollar. If the cars were stock, then that would be different and we all know what the outcome would be... so leave it at that. There are plenty of stats to back up the fact that the Z is slow.
Drag races are not a true test of who's faster anyways. Neither of these cars was built for that.
PUT YOUR EGO ASIDE AND BAIL OUT ON THIS RACE. If he is too much of a ***** to race you without nitrous then its just not worth it anyway. Plus his engine will tolerate it much more than yours. If he really has that much hp you will probably lose.
This is not a race for the 7 vs the Z. This is a race for dollar vs. dollar. If the cars were stock, then that would be different and we all know what the outcome would be... so leave it at that. There are plenty of stats to back up the fact that the Z is slow.
Drag races are not a true test of who's faster anyways. Neither of these cars was built for that.
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Today i was talking to a ZX guy friend. I asked them if they dynotested the car producing 500hp. What he said is that the ZX runs the following:
JE stock size pistons
JUN con rods
HKS GT2530 twin turbochargers
GREDDY down pipes
A japanese brand mid pipes with mufflers
A japanese brand twin rear mufflers
Stock heads
Extrude hone intake manifolt
Injectors + remapped ECU
Greedy twin intercoolers
Modified converter
Unorthodox pulleys kit
They have not dynotested the car yet but they guess it will produce 500hp. Do you think that those are enought to produce 500hp at the flywheel without reworked heads, camshafts, valves, etc?
JE stock size pistons
JUN con rods
HKS GT2530 twin turbochargers
GREDDY down pipes
A japanese brand mid pipes with mufflers
A japanese brand twin rear mufflers
Stock heads
Extrude hone intake manifolt
Injectors + remapped ECU
Greedy twin intercoolers
Modified converter
Unorthodox pulleys kit
They have not dynotested the car yet but they guess it will produce 500hp. Do you think that those are enought to produce 500hp at the flywheel without reworked heads, camshafts, valves, etc?
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Originally posted by Panic7 They have not dynotested the car yet but they guess it will produce 500hp. Do you think that those are enought to produce 500hp at the flywheel without reworked heads, camshafts, valves, etc? [/B]
If the same then I don't think it went from 300 to 500bhp with those changes.
Ken
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I think he is all talk, with just those mods he is not going to produce 500hp, unless his boost is turned up high. Then he is going to blow up his car, just like the NOS he is using. MAN go spank his azz, he is all talk, he is trying to physic you out.
So you would say, "no I do not want to race you."
Man take him down to Chinatown.
So you would say, "no I do not want to race you."
Man take him down to Chinatown.
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if you do go through with the race, make him put street tires and no nos.. if he does have that much hp, he wouldnt neeed the nos to beat you. and have a friend spill some water on his tires for good luck lol.. tell him its holy water and you just blessing it..and dont use nos. just put 115 octane gas!! hehehe.. BUt if i was you , i wouldnt care if i lost or not... and if he has stock tranny i dont know how the auto is holding that power..
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Originally posted by Nathan Kwok
Unless he has a Level 10 or some other upgraded transmission, I seriously doubt his tranny can hold 600HP for long.
Unless he has a Level 10 or some other upgraded transmission, I seriously doubt his tranny can hold 600HP for long.
However, as some others have pointed out, he would have had to do some decent modifications to get to the 500hp rating, probably involving a twin turbo upgrade. I would also inquire if he at least has a Level 10 Torque Converter (doubtful), as this will significantly lower his 1/4 mile times.
Originally posted by xurotaryrocket
This is not a race for the 7 vs the Z. This is a race for dollar vs. dollar.
This is not a race for the 7 vs the Z. This is a race for dollar vs. dollar.
My .02,
Eggman.