So whatever happened with that anti-detonation device?
11-20-04, 12:26 PM
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I tested them for a while but never did any dyno tuning. The car ran great with them in, but didnt really push it. I still have them if someone else wants to test them out.
11-20-04, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Yeah, but try keeping ANY engine from blowing up with a stuck injector. You may as well dump sand in your engine at that point.
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I guess there are some mechanics behind it that I don't fully understand. First, I'm still trying to figure out why a stuck injector wouldn't just cause fuel cutoff, rather than detonation.
Also, due to the vagueness of exactly what and how the KDR Anti-Det device works, I'd think it should/could prevent detonation of any sort. But of course, every device has it's limitations, and chances are, this is one of them I guess...
11-20-04, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FDNewbie
Dave,
I guess there are some mechanics behind it that I don't fully understand. First, I'm still trying to figure out why a stuck injector wouldn't just cause fuel cutoff, rather than detonation. Also, due to the vagueness of exactly what and how the KDR Anti-Det device works, I'd think it should/could prevent detonation of any sort. But of course, every device has it's limitations, and chances are, this is one of them I guess...
I guess there are some mechanics behind it that I don't fully understand. First, I'm still trying to figure out why a stuck injector wouldn't just cause fuel cutoff, rather than detonation.
Also, due to the vagueness of exactly what and how the KDR Anti-Det device works, I'd think it should/could prevent detonation of any sort. But of course, every device has it's limitations, and chances are, this is one of them I guess...Dumping more than enough fuel, it wouldn't detonate. If it stuck when closed, I wouldn't think it would leave enough fuel for any combustion let alone detonation.
That's similar to fuel cut rev limiters or the traction control that some people use.
11-20-04, 01:59 PM
#29
Originally Posted by the_glass_man
That's similar to fuel cut rev limiters or the traction control that some people use.
11-20-04, 02:04 PM
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I have seen the KDR device, I have not signed any non-disclosure, and I can tell you that the PG Unlimited device is NOTHING like what KDR is researching.
The PG device looks like a machined plug that screws into the trailing plug hole, and that's it. Everyone remembers the picture.
The real device clips onto your existing plug and fills the trailing hole perfectly, and the trailing plug wire stays connected (IIRC).
I think the key to this device is a 'chip swap' onto the stock ECU for fueling and timing. The last test I heard about this had a dyno run of the chip go south because the programmer forgot to bypass fuel cutoff! Poof.
I think the market for this device will be owners interested in performance mods without the expense and learning curve (& potential newbie disasters) of standalones. I suspect that excludes most enthusiasts here...but I bet there is a relatively large market of FDs out there that qualify.
The PG device looks like a machined plug that screws into the trailing plug hole, and that's it. Everyone remembers the picture.
The real device clips onto your existing plug and fills the trailing hole perfectly, and the trailing plug wire stays connected (IIRC).
I think the key to this device is a 'chip swap' onto the stock ECU for fueling and timing. The last test I heard about this had a dyno run of the chip go south because the programmer forgot to bypass fuel cutoff! Poof.
I think the market for this device will be owners interested in performance mods without the expense and learning curve (& potential newbie disasters) of standalones. I suspect that excludes most enthusiasts here...but I bet there is a relatively large market of FDs out there that qualify.
11-20-04, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
Wow, that's in sharp contrast to the apparent enthusiasm you had for testing these in a controlled setting in the beginning. Something must have happened to change your mind about fooling with it. That's disappointing, because no one would question your results, versus the people trying to sell the product.
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11-20-04, 04:42 PM
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I guess there are some mechanics behind it that I don't fully understand. First, I'm still trying to figure out why a stuck injector wouldn't just cause fuel cutoff, rather than detonation. Also, due to the vagueness of exactly what and how the KDR Anti-Det device works, I'd think it should/could prevent detonation of any sort. But of course, every device has it's limitations, and chances are, this is one of them I guess...
If it stuck when closed, I wouldn't think it would leave enough fuel for any combustion let alone detonation.
IF you could cut ALL the fuel from the engine instantly, then yes, it would never result in detonation, just a stall/limiter condition.
11-20-04, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by edv
I have seen the KDR device, I have not signed any non-disclosure, and I can tell you that the PG Unlimited device is NOTHING like what KDR is researching.
The PG device looks like a machined plug that screws into the trailing plug hole, and that's it. Everyone remembers the picture.
The real device clips onto your existing plug and fills the trailing hole perfectly, and the trailing plug wire stays connected (IIRC).
I think the key to this device is a 'chip swap' onto the stock ECU for fueling and timing. The last test I heard about this had a dyno run of the chip go south because the programmer forgot to bypass fuel cutoff! Poof.
I think the market for this device will be owners interested in performance mods without the expense and learning curve (& potential newbie disasters) of standalones. I suspect that excludes most enthusiasts here...but I bet there is a relatively large market of FDs out there that qualify.
The PG device looks like a machined plug that screws into the trailing plug hole, and that's it. Everyone remembers the picture.
The real device clips onto your existing plug and fills the trailing hole perfectly, and the trailing plug wire stays connected (IIRC).
I think the key to this device is a 'chip swap' onto the stock ECU for fueling and timing. The last test I heard about this had a dyno run of the chip go south because the programmer forgot to bypass fuel cutoff! Poof.
I think the market for this device will be owners interested in performance mods without the expense and learning curve (& potential newbie disasters) of standalones. I suspect that excludes most enthusiasts here...but I bet there is a relatively large market of FDs out there that qualify.
11-20-04, 04:52 PM
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Hi Black97. I did not mean to be misleading. Of course it could be used with standalones. My point is that for people without expensive standalones, they might enjoy the same benefits of performance mods without worrying about putting out $$ for ECUs and tuning while getting some safety via the device.
11-20-04, 05:16 PM
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It is. But everything is installed save for the GReddy FMIC. I'm thinking about just bringing it home with my PFS SMIC, just so I have it back and can start breaking it in.
11-20-04, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Black97VR4
It is. But everything is installed save for the GReddy FMIC. I'm thinking about just bringing it home with my PFS SMIC, just so I have it back and can start breaking it in.
11-20-04, 05:36 PM
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Nope. But Skip said it works really well with the MT. And another member who lives in the same town as me, Conv. WS6, had the device on his car with a PFC and and loved it. He was the one who convinced me to get it. I'm still slighty on the fence but from what I understand it's nothing permanent so I can change it back later.
Sorry, if I was getting a little ahead of myself.
Sorry, if I was getting a little ahead of myself.
11-20-04, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Black97VR4
Nope. But Skip said it works really well with the MT. And another member who lives in the same town as me, Conv. WS6, had the device on his car with a PFC and and loved it. He was the one who convinced me to get it. I'm still slighty on the fence but from what I understand it's nothing permanent so I can change it back later.
Sorry, if I was getting a little ahead of myself.
Sorry, if I was getting a little ahead of myself.
11-20-04, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fastcarfreak
skip has been trying to get me to convert from power fc to microtech. I think it is their favorite ecu, because i guess it can do some things that skip has been trying to perfect as another new way of tuning or something.
KDR's ECU of choice used to be the PFC, I remember hearing something about the anti-detonation device and the PFC don't get along to well.
11-20-04, 10:27 PM
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They made no money off of me buying anything. I outsourced almost every single part. They just built the engine and installed it.
Skip did say with the Anti Det and the PFC I could run 19psi on pump. He said with the Microtech he would be able to go even higher.
Skip did say with the Anti Det and the PFC I could run 19psi on pump. He said with the Microtech he would be able to go even higher.
11-20-04, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Black97VR4
They made no money off of me buying anything. I outsourced almost every single part. They just built the engine and installed it.
Skip did say with the Anti Det and the PFC I could run 19psi on pump. He said with the Microtech he would be able to go even higher.
Skip did say with the Anti Det and the PFC I could run 19psi on pump. He said with the Microtech he would be able to go even higher.
11-20-04, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Black97VR4
Yeah but if it weren't the Microtech then it would've been the PFC. They said the Microtech is easier for them to tune so I would save there.
11-20-04, 10:48 PM
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11-21-04, 02:36 AM
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When you say 19psi on pump gas, what octane level are you referring to?
(because supposedly even with forced induction the anti-det device allows for lower octane fuels?)
(because supposedly even with forced induction the anti-det device allows for lower octane fuels?)
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