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Old Oct 30, 2008 | 12:13 AM
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ok so explain how a 6 month professional rebuild yields this all of a sudden??? When I say a sudden yeah it smoked for a little bit but all of a sudden it just came out of no where AFTER I pulled the pcv off the car...

Not saying its time to rebuild but something doesnt make sense in the way its driving. I'll see if I can get more vids of the car in motion.

look ... i know that you may not necessarily want to face the fact that you might need a re-rebuild .. but it is NOT normal for 13b to smoke like that
it`s not the turbos ( from what you describe ) , it`s not possible for any kind of PCV related problem to cause that much smoke , it must be something internal ,


btw during your rebuild were your oil control rings or springs reused?
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Old Oct 30, 2008 | 09:25 AM
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na new ones were dropped in. Its not that I dont want to do a rebuild... I just want to exhaust every avenue ya know?

Anywho... going to the shop in a week or so to figure this out. Also I noticed that unlike before the car only smokes when im at idle. Also the car drives terribly... Sputters, ugly throttle response and rediculous backfires with black smoke out the back. I'm gonna do a basic tune up this weekend and see where we go from there. As I said I want to exhaust EVERY possible solution before I rip this bad boy out.
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Old Oct 30, 2008 | 10:52 AM
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i understand you m8
may the rotary gods b with you
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Old Oct 31, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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better camera angle that time, looks more like oil burning to me now.

after all the tests you said you've done i can only guess that your oil control o-rings have flattened out of cracked and are allowing oil past.

the only way to tell if it is a faulty turbo and not the engine is to pull the twins off or look at one of the old sets you removed and see if there is oily residue in the housings ONLY after the turbines.
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Old Oct 31, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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pretty sure it's oil, but the sputters/backfires/black smoke may be a problem in the fuel system as well
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Old Oct 31, 2008 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
better camera angle that time, looks more like oil burning to me now.

after all the tests you said you've done i can only guess that your oil control o-rings have flattened out of cracked and are allowing oil past.

the only way to tell if it is a faulty turbo and not the engine is to pull the twins off or look at one of the old sets you removed and see if there is oily residue in the housings ONLY after the turbines.


+1 I HATE TO AGREE but sounds like it's time to pull that bad boy out and get to rebuilding the block. Please dont have the builder reuse any of the old(new) seals. Best of luck.
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Old Nov 1, 2008 | 07:35 AM
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That my friend is definately oil. Good camera work.
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Old Nov 1, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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Yea its def oil. Sux too, because I took it out last night just to drive it some more, and after boosting a few times I got to the parking lot and DAMN sooooo much smoke when it idled... It looked like i just finished burning out... Sad...
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Old Nov 1, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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OK well im in Tallahassee FL... Where should i take it to get rebuilt? Any suggestions?
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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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Had a crazy thought in ref to oil leak...

Would it be wise to just remove the turbos(and plug according lines) and start the car to see how much oil is spewing out the motor (ie oil seals) to see if that in fact is the issue/problem?
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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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I think that would be a bad idea that wouldn't offer you much in the way of troubleshooting, but that's just me.


*edit: When I first read your post, I thought you were talking about removing the oil lines from the turbos and starting the car, not removing the turbos.
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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 05:09 PM
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This is freaky because NOW the car smokes when im decelerating...last week before I was boosting heavily it only smoked when i was idling. Now its smoking anytime im NOT on the accelerator... hence the question about just removing the turbos.
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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Theater
This is freaky because NOW the car smokes when im decelerating...last week before I was boosting heavily it only smoked when i was idling. Now its smoking anytime im NOT on the accelerator... hence the question about just removing the turbos.
That just proves that it is getting worse. So...

Rebuild
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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 06:09 PM
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best advice is to DIY ... best rebuild ...
you will learn alot ..
my first rebuild is running strong with ..~ 13xxx km`s on it .. boosting everyday , redline several times a day , a couple of hours of track time ... no problems and it`s my daily driver

take this winter and become a semi-pro at rotaries
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