Which premix are you guys using???
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Redline 2-cycle race oil. Been using it for 20 years. Use it in all race cars which commonly run in 100+ air temps here, Firebird and PIR. Never had any failures. Recommend it for any client FD's before any heavy playing. Due to the fact mazda runs the OMP so lean on the FD3S.
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wow, that is alot of comments
Anyways just picked up some Idemitsu premix from Mazdatrix today, they recommended 1 1/2oz per gallon seems like a little too much dont you guys think
Anyways just picked up some Idemitsu premix from Mazdatrix today, they recommended 1 1/2oz per gallon seems like a little too much dont you guys think
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Have you spoken directly to an Idemitsu rep about it? You and I have received conflicting info from two shops who sell their product......I'm going to email them this weekend, couldn't hurt.
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I have an OMP currently installed ... in my last motor I used ProtekR from Pettit ... was considering pre-mix again just for longevity and preventative maintenance , so the TCW-3 stuff is OK to use ??
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nice Gixxer 1k
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This thread has been informative, and thanks Mark for not breaking my ***** and saying 'i told you so,' at least re: Idemitsu's recommendations
Here's how I'm proceeding from here:
deleted OMP, 1 oz per gallon
working OMP, 1/2 oz per gallon, at least for my FD, ~425-450 rwhp.
Here's how I'm proceeding from here:
deleted OMP, 1 oz per gallon
working OMP, 1/2 oz per gallon, at least for my FD, ~425-450 rwhp.
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Just ordered a case Idemitsu today (of course along with some other stuff) and I will start mixing x amount (as soon as we figure out what that is) in my gas.
So, with the OMP connected, what is the magic number?
So, with the OMP connected, what is the magic number?
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Rich's post above summarizes a "safe" recommendation, although Idemistu's recommendation on the bottle was originally intended for a non-OMP equipped car
I've been running 1/2 oz per gal for about two years with no issues, so has a buddy of mine with a single turbo, I have about 360 at the wheels and he has about 420
if you are tracking the car and/or running ***** out WFO most of the time, a 100:1 "race ratio" recommended by Pettit is probably a good idea, but if you scroll back a few pages, it's interesting that Royal Purple's FAQ section indicates race ratios vary from 150:1 all the way up to 600:1
it's logical to believe pre-mixing provdes better and more consistent lubrication than OMP ports which target certain areas, the OMP was always a compromise, if you're going to pre-mix, I really don't see the need for it
I've been running 1/2 oz per gal for about two years with no issues, so has a buddy of mine with a single turbo, I have about 360 at the wheels and he has about 420
if you are tracking the car and/or running ***** out WFO most of the time, a 100:1 "race ratio" recommended by Pettit is probably a good idea, but if you scroll back a few pages, it's interesting that Royal Purple's FAQ section indicates race ratios vary from 150:1 all the way up to 600:1
it's logical to believe pre-mixing provdes better and more consistent lubrication than OMP ports which target certain areas, the OMP was always a compromise, if you're going to pre-mix, I really don't see the need for it
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to reiterate
http://www.royalpurple.com/rp-faqs-wu.html
http://www.royalpurple.com/rp-faqs-wu.html
In an ideal world, the rotary engine metered oil pump should inject an ashless oil designed to burn in the combustion chamber and use a four-cycle oil in the crankcase for the eccentric shaft, rotor bearings and thrust bearings. For the street, Mazda simplified the OE system to use just one oil, that being a typical four-cycle oil for both the e-shaft as well as the combustion chamber. Royal Purple recommends using our standard 2-Cycle TCW III if the metered oil pump is still enabled. The two-cycle oil being added to the fuel tank is in addition to what Mazda designed to inject and acts as a supplement or insurance. Depending upon which engine, the level of modifications (street port, Bridgeport, peripheral port, nitrous turbocharged) and application, the typical mix ratio could vary from 200:1 to 800:1.
For a pure racing application where the metered oil pump has been disabled or removed, again based on the actual engine and modification level, the ratio could vary from 150:1 to 600:1. For this application, we recommend our 2-Cycle TCW III Racing or the standard 2-Cycle TCW III.
A stock FD twin turbo 13B with the MOP oil injection system can typically use about one quart per 1500 miles under hard street driving. If this vehicle is getting 15 mpg, the gasoline to oil ratio is 400:1. If the oil consumption on this vehicle reduces to 1 quart per 2500 miles and fuel efficiency increases to 20 mpg, the gasoline to oil ratio increases to 600:1. The stock metering oil pump is a great system as it varies with throttle position (load on the engine). Pre-mixing has to be calculated for the ‘worst case’ that will be seen by the engine for that fuel load. Under racing conditions, that’s wide open throttle at racing rpms. This means that at idle, the ratio may be slightly fat (rich).
For a pure racing application where the metered oil pump has been disabled or removed, again based on the actual engine and modification level, the ratio could vary from 150:1 to 600:1. For this application, we recommend our 2-Cycle TCW III Racing or the standard 2-Cycle TCW III.
A stock FD twin turbo 13B with the MOP oil injection system can typically use about one quart per 1500 miles under hard street driving. If this vehicle is getting 15 mpg, the gasoline to oil ratio is 400:1. If the oil consumption on this vehicle reduces to 1 quart per 2500 miles and fuel efficiency increases to 20 mpg, the gasoline to oil ratio increases to 600:1. The stock metering oil pump is a great system as it varies with throttle position (load on the engine). Pre-mixing has to be calculated for the ‘worst case’ that will be seen by the engine for that fuel load. Under racing conditions, that’s wide open throttle at racing rpms. This means that at idle, the ratio may be slightly fat (rich).
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The stock metering oil pump is a great system as it varies with throttle position (load on the engine).
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Who else gets funny looks/questions when adding premix at the service station ?
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No funny smells with the Idemitsu premix, and hardly any smoke works great, I am still breaking in my motor and I added 1 1/2 oz per gallon with barely any smoke at start up but is it OK to put less premix until motor is broken in???