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Old 03-07-08, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeric
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Wow. Thanks! How long did it take to install yours?
Depends on if your engine is in the car haha....it's very tough to install with the engine in the car. I have it on my car as well, and it works very well.

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Originally Posted by Monsterbox
wait, so you are adding 18ounces of two cycle in ADDITION to you OMP?
his name isn't "Rich" for nothin
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Originally Posted by AZRotor
Redline 2-cycle race oil. Been using it for 20 years. Use it in all race cars which commonly run in 100+ air temps here, Firebird and PIR. Never had any failures. Recommend it for any client FD's before any heavy playing. Due to the fact mazda runs the OMP so lean on the FD3S.
what ratio are you running? OMP deleted?
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wow, that is alot of comments
Anyways just picked up some Idemitsu premix from Mazdatrix today, they recommended 1 1/2oz per gallon seems like a little too much dont you guys think
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it is actually half an ounce per gallon of fuel.....
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Yeah but they told 1 1/2 oz since I have an Extended Street Port with a T78. I added just that and it doesnt seem to smoke at all.
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it comes down random opinion, not science, but the fact is the ratio recommendation by Idemistu is for cars without an OMP
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Originally Posted by 2007 ZX-10R
it comes down random opinion, not science, but the fact is the ratio recommendation by Idemistu is for cars without an OMP
Have you spoken directly to an Idemitsu rep about it? You and I have received conflicting info from two shops who sell their product......I'm going to email them this weekend, couldn't hurt.
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Rich, yes I called them, see previous page
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I have an OMP currently installed ... in my last motor I used ProtekR from Pettit ... was considering pre-mix again just for longevity and preventative maintenance , so the TCW-3 stuff is OK to use ??
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I use whatever the gas station has that I fill up with. Usually its some no name "weedwacker" 2-stroke oil. I put in 1 ounce per gallon and she runs great!!!
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Originally Posted by PDViper77
I use whatever the gas station has that I fill up with. Usually its some no name "weedwacker" 2-stroke oil. I put in 1 ounce per gallon and she runs great!!!
the cheap bean oils will leave nasty deposits over time, I've seen what they do on waverunner power valves first hand...you're better off picking up a quality synthetic two stroke oil by Amsoil, Redline, Royal Purple, etc

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Dont forget Idemitsu, eventhough it is the first I try so far but I like, I started the car this morning and smoked a little but all is good.
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This thread has been informative, and thanks Mark for not breaking my ***** and saying 'i told you so,' at least re: Idemitsu's recommendations

Here's how I'm proceeding from here:
deleted OMP, 1 oz per gallon
working OMP, 1/2 oz per gallon, at least for my FD, ~425-450 rwhp.
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so you emailed them and got a response?
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Just ordered a case Idemitsu today (of course along with some other stuff) and I will start mixing x amount (as soon as we figure out what that is) in my gas.

So, with the OMP connected, what is the magic number?
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Rich's post above summarizes a "safe" recommendation, although Idemistu's recommendation on the bottle was originally intended for a non-OMP equipped car

I've been running 1/2 oz per gal for about two years with no issues, so has a buddy of mine with a single turbo, I have about 360 at the wheels and he has about 420

if you are tracking the car and/or running ***** out WFO most of the time, a 100:1 "race ratio" recommended by Pettit is probably a good idea, but if you scroll back a few pages, it's interesting that Royal Purple's FAQ section indicates race ratios vary from 150:1 all the way up to 600:1

it's logical to believe pre-mixing provdes better and more consistent lubrication than OMP ports which target certain areas, the OMP was always a compromise, if you're going to pre-mix, I really don't see the need for it
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to reiterate
http://www.royalpurple.com/rp-faqs-wu.html

In an ideal world, the rotary engine metered oil pump should inject an ashless oil designed to burn in the combustion chamber and use a four-cycle oil in the crankcase for the eccentric shaft, rotor bearings and thrust bearings. For the street, Mazda simplified the OE system to use just one oil, that being a typical four-cycle oil for both the e-shaft as well as the combustion chamber. Royal Purple recommends using our standard 2-Cycle TCW III if the metered oil pump is still enabled. The two-cycle oil being added to the fuel tank is in addition to what Mazda designed to inject and acts as a supplement or insurance. Depending upon which engine, the level of modifications (street port, Bridgeport, peripheral port, nitrous turbocharged) and application, the typical mix ratio could vary from 200:1 to 800:1.

For a pure racing application where the metered oil pump has been disabled or removed, again based on the actual engine and modification level, the ratio could vary from 150:1 to 600:1. For this application, we recommend our 2-Cycle TCW III Racing or the standard 2-Cycle TCW III.

A stock FD twin turbo 13B with the MOP oil injection system can typically use about one quart per 1500 miles under hard street driving. If this vehicle is getting 15 mpg, the gasoline to oil ratio is 400:1. If the oil consumption on this vehicle reduces to 1 quart per 2500 miles and fuel efficiency increases to 20 mpg, the gasoline to oil ratio increases to 600:1. The stock metering oil pump is a great system as it varies with throttle position (load on the engine). Pre-mixing has to be calculated for the ‘worst case’ that will be seen by the engine for that fuel load. Under racing conditions, that’s wide open throttle at racing rpms. This means that at idle, the ratio may be slightly fat (rich).
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ok Super noob, what the heck is this thread about. I put Castrol 10-30 as the oil and 91octane gas...what are you guys mixing and where are you putting it?
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The stock metering oil pump is a great system as it varies with throttle position (load on the engine).
I have to take exception with this statement: I fail to see what's so "great" about the OMP...pre-mixing also injects more oil with throttle position, and it NEVER fails! that's why people who race two strokes, whether that is motocrossers or waverunners, ALWAYS chuck the factory oil injection systems (if so equipped) and pre-mix
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Originally Posted by FD2fast4ufool
what the heck is this thread about. I put Castrol 10-30 as the oil and 91octane gas...what are you guys mixing and where are you putting it?


gotta love it when lazy readers dive bomb threads
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Originally Posted by 2007 ZX-10R


gotta love it when lazy readers dive bomb threads
ok I get it, but whats an OMP.

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Originally Posted by IEatVipers4Brkfast
Any of you guys try Klotz?
It makes the tail of a bike or quad smell awesome.
Just wondering how it would do in our cars.

Where is everyone finding Idemitsu?
I use Klotz and it smells great.

Who else gets funny looks/questions when adding premix at the service station ?
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Originally Posted by FD2fast4ufool
ok I get it, but whats an OMP.
... you actually OWN an FD ??
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Originally Posted by Boro FD
I use Klotz and it smells great.

Who else gets funny looks/questions when adding premix at the service station ?


No funny smells with the Idemitsu premix, and hardly any smoke works great, I am still breaking in my motor and I added 1 1/2 oz per gallon with barely any smoke at start up but is it OK to put less premix until motor is broken in???


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