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Old Jul 7, 2003 | 07:52 PM
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Hey guys i am getting a 94 black rx7 with 55k miles on it. I was just wondering since i am buying it from this lady who lives in Palm Beach, florida what your opinion is of me getting the TKT (Turn Key Terror ) package what you guys think of it and if it is worth the money. It is completely stock not even a boost guage.
Or is there anything you guys would reccomend that would be a better package. I am willing to spend about 4-5k for right now.
Old Jul 7, 2003 | 07:55 PM
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TWO WORDS "SINGLE TURBO".....................If you want to make power........
Old Jul 7, 2003 | 07:58 PM
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Make sure the engine and turbos are healthy before you start putting on 'gofast' mods. Start with a boost gauge.
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TWO WORDS "SINGLE TURBO".....................If you want to make power........
That is a really ignorant statement. Going single isn't for everybody and it costs a hell of a lot more than $4-5k.

Pacino2k2: The Pettit stuff works but is a little pricey for what you get. I STRONGLY suggest that you perform the full 60k maintenance on the car when you pick it up. Inspect the radiator, if the end tanks look the slightest bit worn, replace it with a Fluidyne/Koyo/PWR. Install a boost gauge and water temp gauge. Install a downpipe.

Then, keep the car as-is for a little while till you get used to the car and get a feel for how it runs. With the above maintenance and reliability items, you may find your wad of cash depleted somewhat.

While you are getting familiar with the car, read Steve Cirians, Max Cooper's, and Rob Robinette's sites. And of course browse through the thousands of posts here. There is a ton of info. The more you read, the better you can make decisions for yourself, instead of listening to what other people say.

Good luck!
Old Jul 7, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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You're in luck, since the car you are looking at is in Palm Beach, I would take it to Pettit and have them check it out completly for you. Most likely they wont even charge you. Since Cam is probably the one that will look over everything, talk to him about your plans for the car and what you want to do with it, and see what he recommends you do. He's not going to try to sell you on something you don't need (he's probably tried to talk me out of 75% of the stuff on my car, and if you notice, it's all from Pettit anyway), and you're not entitled to buy anything anyway. I would highly recommend doing that. Good luck with the purchase!
Old Jul 7, 2003 | 10:43 PM
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Thanks for the reply
I am definately doing the maintenance work before i put any mods on it so that the 7 is reliable. Any reccomendations on shops besides petit racing that may be in NY or close to it. Seeing how i am buying the car from a person in Florida but i live in NYC.
Old Jul 7, 2003 | 10:53 PM
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I remember when I thought the TKT was the shizzy...then I met www.RX7Club.com and started reading. If I were you I would take the car to Pettit and have them check it over well to make sure you aren't getting a bum deal. If all is a go then start the modding from there...Belive me, it's a whole lot more fun doing things in stages than just dropping the bomb and going all out. Gives you a chance to appreciate each mod.
Old Jul 7, 2003 | 11:01 PM
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Where ever you decide to go I represent a Pettit large streetport rebuild & I love it, they do awesome work, I wish I lived in Fl just becuz of them guys...
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Pettit charges a bit too much for the parts they sell and while i hear good things about their service, my experience with them has been limited to them telling me that they wouldnt install my Unorthodox pulleys because it wasnt theirs.
Old Jul 8, 2003 | 04:25 AM
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While I have not seen the work that they perform, Pettit stuff is way overpriced taking into consideration the quality of their products and the fact that there are other parts that are much nicer out there for cheaper. Don't get me wrong, their stuff works pretty good, but just too expensive for what you get out of it in my opinion
Old Jul 8, 2003 | 04:31 AM
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im with **** for once on that comment....their intake is ghetto but works great...you could fabricate one yourself for less and have it look as good or better.

overpriced...but i felt their customer service to be good...they were honest with me when I dealt with them...to the point that the suggested I not go with their turbo upgrades as I was wanting more power.

Id take my car there if i was down south...


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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:59 AM
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That is a really ignorant statement. Going single isn't for everybody and it costs a hell of a lot more than $4-5k.

Pacino2k2: The Pettit stuff works but is a little pricey for what you get. I STRONGLY suggest that you perform the full 60k maintenance on the car when you pick it up. Inspect the radiator, if the end tanks look the slightest bit worn, replace it with a Fluidyne/Koyo/PWR. Install a boost gauge and water temp gauge. Install a downpipe.

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While you are getting familiar with the car, read Steve Cirians, Max Cooper's, and Rob Robinette's sites. And of course browse through the thousands of posts here. There is a ton of info. The more you read, the better you can make decisions for yourself, instead of listening to what other people say.

Good luck!
RYNBERG, Thank you. It seems that everyone wants to tell these noobies to go out and put these mods into these cars before they even know what the car's condition is. I believe this is just simple immaturity. When I first purchased my FD, I did just as RYNBERG suggests and went out and read all of those websites and got on the RX-7 digest and asked questions. A few times I got flamed for being a noobie, but I learned a lot and eventually gained the knowledge to make educated modification choices. This was only done after I learned to respect the car and what it could do stock. Then after a few driving schools, I began adding mods to improve performance and make the FD a more reliable car.

Thanks again RYNBERG for saying what I wanted to say.
Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:23 AM
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You are saying you want to take it to a shop in NY or near it. Are you driving your new car to NY, if you are I would have Pettit look over it before you take it on that long drive. You don't want something bad happening on the way....like one of the coolant hoses letting go. If you have found alternate modes of transportation then KDR wouldn't be a bad option. They are in PA not too sure how far away from NY they are though. Probally a good 2 hours. Hope this helps.
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Originally posted by curlybillbrosie
Pettit charges a bit too much for the parts they sell and while i hear good things about their service, my experience with them has been limited to them telling me that they wouldnt install my Unorthodox pulleys because it wasnt theirs.
Sounds exactly like Rotary Performance I think there is a serious lack of competition in the rotary business.
Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:37 AM
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Well there is this new company out of Delaware called Scrub Sports. I heard they make quality products and do good work on Rx-7's, more specifically 3rd gens
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I think there is a serious lack of competition in the rotary business.
No comment .

Al Pacino, You can't go wrong with KD Rotary in Nazareth PM (www.kdrotary.com), although make an appointment waaaay in advance. They're usually very busy.
Old Jul 10, 2003 | 12:29 AM
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RYNBERG, Thank you. It seems that everyone wants to tell these noobies to go out and put these mods into these cars before they even know what the car's condition is. I believe this is just simple immaturity.

Thanks again RYNBERG for saying what I wanted to say.

Listen , first of all I am not a "newbie" he simply stated he had 5 k to modify a RX7 and why not make a lot of power with a SINGLE TURBO. And as far as being immature, you dont even know me.
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Listen , first of all I am not a "newbie" he simply stated he had 5 k to modify a RX7 and why not make a lot of power with a SINGLE TURBO. And as far as being immature, you dont even know me.
So you don't think it's possible to make a lot of power without a single? I'd suggest you look at Goodfellas sig as he has some preliminary dyno numbers. Yea those were on twins... do I need to mention that this was only on one run, 15 psi, and heat-soak?

Bottom line, you don't need a big single to make big power.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rynberg
[B]That is a really ignorant statement. Going single isn't for everybody and it costs a hell of a lot more than $4-5k.

Going single turbo DOESNT cost "a hell of alot more than 4-5k" My single turbo is only costing me $1700 COMPLETE from turbo to manifold to wastegate. And no that statement is not "IGNORANT". He can do what he wants to do. So next time ol pal before u go making statements like this DO YOUR RESEARCH its not as expensive as u think!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So you don't think it's possible to make a lot of power without a single? I'd suggest you look at Goodfellas sig as he has some preliminary dyno numbers. Yea those were on twins... do I need to mention that this was only on one run, 15 psi, and heat-soak?

Bottom line, you don't need a big single to make big power.
Hey PAL look at all the FAST GUYS like ARI YALLON and all the 7's in DRAG RACING. OHHHHHHHH wait they all have single turbos. Listen if you want to MAKE MORE POWER u need a single turbo.
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Well, think what you want, but I think telling someone who just bought their FD to buy a single turbo is doing them a disservice.

I'm glad you got some kind of hook up on your turbo kit. Most cost over $3k for everything.

BTW, since his car is near stock, here's the absolute minimum of what you need to safely run a single:

single turbo kit: $3k+
midpipe: $200
cat-back: $500
fuel pump: $250
larger secondary injectors: $330
Power FC: $1250
Tuning for PFC: $200+
Radiator: $400
Intake filter for turbo: $50
Intercooler upgrade: $1000++
gauges: $150++

That's all I think of off the top of my head. That adds up to roughly $7.5k (and that's conservative). And that's WITHOUT ANY LABOR, TAX, or SHIPPING charges.

Not included in that list is the suspension, brakes, wheel, and tire upgrades necessary to safely run that much power. Or any necessary maintenance items that he'll uncover as all those parts get installed.

Still want to argue that you can go single for $4-5k?
Old Jul 10, 2003 | 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by FastAZFD3S
...My single turbo is only costing me $1700 COMPLETE from turbo to manifold to wastegate.
Does that include, an ECU, fuel system, exhaust system, IC, radiator, and all the other misc stuff I forgot to mention?

It sounds like Pacino2K2 is looking to get the costs to upgrade a bone stock car. You will not be able to get a good, reliable single setup for a stock FD with only $1700.

We have to factor in the fact that Pacino may not want to or may not be able to buy stuff used or get good bargains for new items. You need to also factor in dyno tuning into the cost of getting a single kit as well as other "hidden costs".

I would say at the bare minimum it would cost you $3K-$4K for a used single kit which has EVERYTHING you will need, not just the turbo hardware. For a new kit you can get the pricing yourself by going into rx7store and mmaking up a list. I did this a long time ago and came up with roughly $8000 for a new kit, again with everything I need not just hardware. I wasnt budget shopping either so realistically I would price a new kit at about $7K-$9K.
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Originally posted by FastAZFD3S
Hey PAL look at all the FAST GUYS like ARI YALLON and all the 7's in DRAG RACING. OHHHHHHHH wait they all have single turbos. Listen if you want to MAKE MORE POWER u need a single turbo.
Who the F#@k cares about dedicated drag racing? For the street, upwards of 350 rwhp in a 2700 lb car is a LOT of power....
Old Jul 10, 2003 | 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by FastAZFD3S
Hey PAL look at all the FAST GUYS like ARI YALLON and all the 7's in DRAG RACING. OHHHHHHHH wait they all have single turbos. Listen if you want to MAKE MORE POWER u need a single turbo.
Well no **** sherlock, you're a bright one aren't you?

please, tell me where he said he wanted to drag race.

Not everyone builds their car for drag racing fuckwad, you don't even know what he wants.

Oh, and I don't think Rynberg is the best person to be arguing with about these things. He was here long before you, and he'll be here long after you.
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Originally posted by FastAZFD3S
Hey PAL look at all the FAST GUYS like ARI YALLON and all the 7's in DRAG RACING. OHHHHHHHH wait they all have single turbos.
Did Ari do all that on a $4-$5K budget? Besides I dont think Pacino is looking to bust into the 6s or 7s anytime soon.

Pacino,

If you are set on trying to get a single kit, you may be able to get a good used kit from Jason at www.JT-IMPORTS.COM He was just saying how he saw a used T78 kit in Japan selling for $1200.

Just remember if you go single the costs could quickly skyrocket before you know it. One other thing you could also do is get all the bolt-ons (I, E, DP, MP, IC, ECU, injectors, fuel pump, and an EBC/MBC). Do that and you could easily be in the 12's or maybe even 11's.

The question is, how much power are you looking to make? and/or how fast did you want the car to be (1/4 mile)? or will this be a car that sees mostly autoX?

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