Yep, agree and already alluded to that. Just hoping we'll see a massive flood of great RHD FDs at the 25 year mark LOL

 

I feel bad for matty because he bought the wrong color and the car is a basket case.

He did have options though. I think he paid 24k or so and there are plenty of good FDs left for 24k.

 

his is red right? whats wrong with red? just curious, and no my car isn't red, it's black.

also, whats gonna happen with the higher mileage cars, say 112,000? lol

 

Fritz, any of these good in your eyes?

MAZDA RX7 FOR SALE! Buy Mazda RX7 For Sale at Mazda RX7 Trader. Used and New Mazda RX7 for sale!

 

The market tells all. As rule people don't offer 40% below the asking price (asking 25K selling it for 15k) that is unless, they want to be shown the door. No what generally occurs when a car is too expensive is that people see the add & think to themselves 'no way' and move on. Naturally what ends up happening next is that the seller begins to drop the price until it generates interest. Therefore if you see the majority of ads trending each other rest assured that is the market price.

That is the appraiser's job. If the appraiser gives you a price and your ad doesn't generate any interest then that appraiser is not very good. Remember appraisers factor in greatly current for sale ads in determining what a vehicle is worth. So if the vehicle falls right inline with every else you will be getting phone calls.



Yes they are. That is what the collector market is about. LOVE.

Forget RX-7's think of any older car: 510's, 280 Z's, BMW E30's, VW bugs, Chevelle's, insert whatever older car here... Only a real idiot would buy a 25+year old car for the same amount of money as a modern new/used car just because they think the older car is neat. No they are purchased because they have always loved them and it comes a time in everyone's life when pulling the trigger falls right in line. Now if that particular buyer is actually purchasing at the right time in their life, they are going to want a premium vehicle and settle for nothing less. **** boxes are for the younger buyers.

Back in the day (when I was shopping for my second RX-7) I checked an FD that was cheaper than most (IIRC it was $16K). After seeing the vehicle I determined that it wasn't for me as it was too hammered for my taste. The owner asked to make him an offer and I was very frank and replied that I wasn't going to lowball him. In fact, I believed his car was rightfully priced but I needed to look at more expensive models. And so I did and I bought something significantly more expensive but was much better cared for.


The current U.S. population is 318.9 million people which technically makes people who have experience with these cars negligible. Interesting thing that you make it seem as having experience with these cars determental to pricing... Anyone that actually knows anything about FD's will tell you that in stock form + reliability mods and regular maintenance is the way to go with FD's. They can be very reliable but the minute the owners start ******* with them is when the real problems begin.

Ultimately I believe that you are thinking in your generation, IIRC you bought yours at 19 about 7 years ago right? See the thing is young buyers don't bring up the price of these cars not only because they can't really afford them but they also don't see the value in them. Now I'm not saying this is you but more of a generalized term for the last trend of buyers who happen to be young early 20 something/late teens is that they can barely afford rent & insurance, never mind repairs or quality mods. Those are the types that cheap out on mods then complain that their **** broke and that these cars are junk. Then after they screwed up their rides they turn around and sell them.

No people who bring premium are working adults 30+ years old who are stable financially and are settled in their personal life. Those who have experience with automobiles and can actually appreciate this car for what it is. A gorgeous sports car that is uncompromised for what it was designed for. IMO the kids who grew up idolizing FD's watching F&F and playing Gran Turismo are growing up (or are young adults now) will turn around and purchase their dream car once they become stable in life. These are people that will drive up the price of these cars even further. In other words, this is just the begining of an upward trend. I believe the 90's japanese sport car market will eventually mirror the late 60's early 70's muscle car market. If you think about it the trend is basically the same... Cars that were reevered by young people but could not afford them and when they finally could the prices shot straight up.


To reiterate what Dj said about fan boys interested in JDM FD's. Most older adults don't want a RHD FD3S. Sorry man but I would look like an idiot parking at work next to the director of engineering in my 'Mad Tyte" FD and I doubt anyone would take me seriously after that. It is OK if you are a young 20 something not so much when you are my age.

 

No, all problem children.

The low mileage VR automatic might be OK for say 15k. It's VR on tan and an automatic not worth anywhere near 20k in my book.

 

I love red. I have two red FDs

VR/tan or MB/tan are the two least popular/desired FDs.

Matty wanted a black car but settled on red because he felt it was a good overall deal based on the mods etc... and clearly made a bad move.

 

Probably won't keep up with the m3 but people will be startled

[QUOTE=Montego;11945681]The market tells all. As rule people don't offer 40% below the asking price (asking 25K selling it for 15k) that is unless, they want to be shown the door. No what generally occurs when a car is too expensive is that people see the add & think to themselves 'no way' and move on. Naturally what ends up happening next is that the seller begins to drop the price until it generates interest. Therefore if you see the majority of ads trending each other rest assured that is the market price.

[QUOTE=00SPEC;11944870] (or because an appraiser told you so, based on other peoples high asking-price-hopes)

The line "its worth what people are willing to pay" doesn't apply, or do you think that just plain false?LOL at some of the comments and YEP!

 

Yes I did. But also look at the pics I put up. I just had a $400 detail done to it. Car is absolutely insanely clean and just plain sick looking.people are blown away by it. I am getting stopped by young kids, older women. Older men you name. The car Has the best parts money can buy and often too rare to find. Has 39k miles. All OEM 99 spec parts. Every little mazdaspeed part here and there. Oil cap strut bar etc. radiator lines are all or mostly steel braided. If you pop hood and take your time mulling it over and looking at the detail work it would blow your mind. I been under there for a week and I keep seeing little details that I didn't see before. Actually IRP did a freaking sick *** job on this thing. The engine failure part is definitely a difficult thing to swallow but I am sorta having second guesses as to how that happened. One day I think this then another day I think that. Maybe it was me. Who the f knows.

Point I am making is that this car is insanely done. Also note that I am 40yrs old and I have done well enough for myself that I certainly wasn't going to haggle the seller over 1-2k. When the car has well over 25k in parts alone on it.

I will get this thing sorted. I am too obessive not too. Take today for example. Car seems to be having a new idle problem. I have probably been searching th net and forum for 8 hours about it. I am not that mechanically inclined is the problem. My first fd gave me zero problems for over a decade. Sure I did the suspension work and minor after market part installs myself but I never dug deep. I didn't have to. Now I do.

The only real issue I have is that I do t have time to go back and first to PA from CT to handle things. I can't take time off from work. I have a high demand high stress job.

That's one of the factors that I think will
Limit appreciation of these things. No one works on them and that's getting smaller and smaller as well.

 

One other point. The trajectory should have been 1) buy car 2) engine is gone get it replaced. And it stops there.

The problem is anything beyond that. I just shoildnt have gotten a car back that has hard warm start problems after spending 5k. I am pretty certain that it's fuel or intake problem. All of sudden I have a high idle problem. And viola car starts perfect on hot starts. Something minor is going on and I am just too illiterate mechanically to solve it myself. I am working my *** to solve it though. But really the car should have NOT been returned to me like this. I am going to have to have that conversation this week.

Lastly, I thought there was a boost problem but there simply isn't. The car I been driving is a 335i. I am not sure if anyone knows these cars. But look. You get an upgraded computer and wth that alone you can nearly double boost. It also has a dp which if I recall removes two cats. Boost hits instantly and the engine is known to have some of the best low end power ever. Car makes peak torque at like 2k Rpms. Maybe lower. Literally. Having said that. These things dont pull to redline like an fd. i drive my fd then drive that and it literally feels like a school bus. I am not joking. Car feels huge and sloppy. Someone earlier commented that engineering will never replace the feel of an analog driving experience. They are correct.

Now enough with this speculation on value and get in my high idle thread and help me solve it.

 

exactly, you just hope you're not doing something too dumb!


i think this is right too. we're already seeing it happen. the cars already have that mythical quality that the muscle cars have. the bracket of people that think these cars are cool seems to be really huge too, the whole thing might have peaked with the FD, but there are 20+ years of neat cars leading up to it too.

in the 1st gen group prices for low mile original, early and late (the early ones are neat, and the later GSL-SE is just a great car), have been steadily going up for quite a while now. there is actually a big supply of good low mileage 1st gens too.

 

Yep any modern BMW feels like driving around in a truck compared to the FD which again goes right back to why this car is so special.

I hope you get that beauty all sorted and enjoy it thoroughly for many years to come

 

Well, I'll throw this in there. About 4 years ago my bank/insurance told me my 94 was at best 13k. Just last month they told me avg price is now 16.5k....Giggidy....:-)

 

When I purchased my vehicle last year, my credit union would have approved a loan for me for NADA High Retail Value if I so chose. As of today, that value is $21400. That is what a bank feels that the vehicle is worth if they need to repossess it. That value doesn't take into account enthusiast values, color, package, miles or mods/lack of. These vehicles are becoming extremely rare, especially in good running condition. The next 10 years should be quite interesting.

 

My credit union used a blended value system(guessing an average of KBB and NADA) and told me I could borrow up to $17,350 for the '94 that I bought this month.

 

Even the 21K mile red/black touring at the bottom of the page? Of course we need better pics and more info to ultimately make a judgement. The owner's idea of putting a bra on the car makes me question a little - but those bras were the thing back in the 90s... However, a 20K mile car for less than $20K seems pretty good. If I were still in the market I would be calling about that one.

Oh, wait - are you trying to buy this one and simply distracting the rest of us???

Or maybe it was added after you looked at the page.

CC

 

RIVSU Imports, and International Vehicle importers will be able to sell RHD 7's in about 2/3 years fully legal, with no need to change a bunch of emissions/parts/etc. I'm not sure what will happen from that perspective. RIVSU is selling quite a few R32 GT-R's and RWD GT-S's for fairly cheap prices (Starting around $11k) I wonder what they will be able to import FD's for. Whatever the importers decide will probably definitely play a role in what the final values of LHD models end up sitting at... If you can get a RHD FD low miles for lesser than we imagine getting a LHD model for in the states, then I believe quite a few will choose to go RHD instead.

 

Instead of it's happening this thread should be titled: will the 25 year rule affect FD pricing LOL

Of course it will. It's always about supply and demand and if there are more cars and more parts this will affect value.

I pray there are tons of really nice FDs available that are selling dirt cheap and the import shipping and duty is reasonable because we will need these RHD cars for parts

 

You know one of my favorite things in life is standing at the end of the line at a fire sale. It is awesome... You get there last which means there are no more crowds, everything has been picked through, and the only items left are the ones that are broken or that nobody wants.

That is essentially what we will be doing here in the States in terms of FD importing. When the 25 year timeline comes around we will only be able to import 93 models. Think about that for a second. We will have our pick of 25 year old cars that the Autralians, New Zeleander's, Canadians, Peruvians, ect did not see fit to import. Yay... I cannot wait as I am sure they will be gems.

Also I don't expect a flood of FD's arriving in our shores. It is not that all of the sudden we get to import all model years of FD's and therefore they will be plentiful in our land. Nope like I said, they have to be 25 years old so if anyone here is itching for a Spirit R: Well you still have a few years to wait for that empty, haggered bus to arrive.

 

LOL and well said

 

Laughed my *** off at that last one.

 

Jesus that was spot on. Hahahahahahaha

 

Just playing devil's advocate here...For the record, I agree with Montego, however, how will prices be affected if the US starts importing FDs from Canada and floods the US market? It seems easy enough to driver over the boarder and pick one up, right? I don't have experience with purchasing cars out of the country, but wouldn't it be easy to go pick one up? 20 hour drive from Socal to Vancouver.

One Canada dollar is .77 cents in the US. There is a ton of good deals in Canada and with the conversion rate, you can basically pick up a decent FD for around 10k dollars.

 

"Flood" the market? Maybe a slight exaggeration, no? Canada probably had 1500 total FDs imported, if that. Just how many do you think are left? And, of those, what percent aren't beat to hell?

 

This is correct. Again, we here in Canada have been importing them for a while now so this is not new to me

What happened when they first became legal to import was a influx of RHD FD's and then just like the hype train came, it pretty much went.

Hell I RARELY see a FD where I live, let alone a RHD FD at that.

So the same thing will probably happen to you guys in the USA. They will get imported and the average joe who doesn't know about rotaries but seen Fast and the furious will purchase it and beat on it and blow the engine and then will sell it. Phase over.

I think I posted earlier but a local rotary guy here has his shop lined up with about 5 RHD cars which are all in OK condition to absolute trash