I just got Garfinkle Torque Brace.... Must Have!!!
01-27-04, 11:35 AM
#76
Originally posted by Flybye
I haven't researched them so I don't know who's got what, but.......
I'd pick a solid piece like Garfinkle's. The solid ones will completly prevent any roll from the engine. The shock types would simply act like a long bushing. IMO, the purpose of a torque brace is to prevent engine roll....not act like a 3rd stock motor mount.
I haven't researched them so I don't know who's got what, but.......
I'd pick a solid piece like Garfinkle's. The solid ones will completly prevent any roll from the engine. The shock types would simply act like a long bushing. IMO, the purpose of a torque brace is to prevent engine roll....not act like a 3rd stock motor mount.
01-27-04, 02:13 PM
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If it were me personally I'd rather have good stock engine mounts with a Garfinkle brace. Anything else and I'd have to ask myself..... why would I want to run engine mounts that create to much vibration for a daily driver when I can run the stockers and help support them with a brace? This way I get the stiff engine support of solid mounts without the vibration, plus as an added bonus its much cheaper and easier to install.
I do agree thought that people shouldnt use it as a crutch for bad engine mounts, it should only be used along with good mounts
STEPHEN
I do agree thought that people shouldnt use it as a crutch for bad engine mounts, it should only be used along with good mounts
STEPHEN
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01-27-04, 03:21 PM
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Slightly off-topic, but...
You know, it absolutely cracks me up that when discussing the merits of the rotary engine vs. piston engines, someone inevitably brings up the smoothness of the rotary design which has none of the "up-down reciprocating banging" of the piston engine... yet almost no one wants solid engine mounts on their rotary car because they're afraid of the noise and vibration...
You know, it absolutely cracks me up that when discussing the merits of the rotary engine vs. piston engines, someone inevitably brings up the smoothness of the rotary design which has none of the "up-down reciprocating banging" of the piston engine... yet almost no one wants solid engine mounts on their rotary car because they're afraid of the noise and vibration...
01-27-04, 05:43 PM
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i think its a misinterpretation. a solid mounted rotary isnt gonna be smooth and "plush" feeling. . . were all sure of that. when i think of smoothness/rotary engine, i think about the smooth acceleration that a nonturbo gives you.
just my thought on it. . . he
just my thought on it. . . he
01-27-04, 05:49 PM
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No it's not Turbo'd
For my taste, I'd rather put on more stable mounts, than a brace, since 90% of the solid braces out there create a lot more vibration than Polyurethane, and the ones with shock absorbers someone already bashed 
SPOautos must have a miracle brace where it doesn't add vibration yet holds on like a monster !
SPOautos must have a miracle brace where it doesn't add vibration yet holds on like a monster !
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01-27-04, 06:04 PM
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haha, try one for yourself. the garfinkle brace is very pleasant, yet feels better than no brace at all. thats the brace spoautos speaks of. . . the brace i have as well as herblenny. . . and many others for that matter.
paul
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01-28-04, 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by rotorbrain
i dont think i have ever heard anybody claim that an ETB was their fix for a bad motor mount.
PEOPLE. . . LISTEN. . . nobody is telling ANYBODY to put this on a poorly mounted car. not one person has said, "my engine was shaking all over the place and i slapped this bad boy on. . . voila. . . its all better." everyone that puts one on says things like, shifts better. . . feels better in a turn. . . etc.
i love the fact that there are some people on this forum that just cant be happy with a product unless they had a hand in it.
paul
i dont think i have ever heard anybody claim that an ETB was their fix for a bad motor mount.
PEOPLE. . . LISTEN. . . nobody is telling ANYBODY to put this on a poorly mounted car. not one person has said, "my engine was shaking all over the place and i slapped this bad boy on. . . voila. . . its all better." everyone that puts one on says things like, shifts better. . . feels better in a turn. . . etc.
i love the fact that there are some people on this forum that just cant be happy with a product unless they had a hand in it.
paul
nobody will gaurantee the brace if the engine mounts are shot, but that doesn;t mean it doesn't help. and to those who say it will cause damage that is crap. I had it on my car with shot engine mount for 6 months with 374rwhp through dyno, launches, etc. The only differnce when I change engine mounts was that I preloaded the other mount to get shifting perfet.
01-28-04, 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
It's nothing more than a Band-aid for the weak stock motor mounts. Have you ever seen a car issued from the factory with a "torque brace"? Do you see other cars with even more horsepower requiring a "torque brace"? I rest my case...
Shove your opinion up your ***, Paul. I'll be more than happy to lend a hand with that...
It's nothing more than a Band-aid for the weak stock motor mounts. Have you ever seen a car issued from the factory with a "torque brace"? Do you see other cars with even more horsepower requiring a "torque brace"? I rest my case...
Shove your opinion up your ***, Paul. I'll be more than happy to lend a hand with that...
01-28-04, 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Flybye
I haven't researched them so I don't know who's got what, but.......
I'd pick a solid piece like Garfinkle's. The solid ones will completly prevent any roll from the engine. The shock types would simply act like a long bushing. IMO, the purpose of a torque brace is to prevent engine roll....not act like a 3rd stock motor mount.
I haven't researched them so I don't know who's got what, but.......
I'd pick a solid piece like Garfinkle's. The solid ones will completly prevent any roll from the engine. The shock types would simply act like a long bushing. IMO, the purpose of a torque brace is to prevent engine roll....not act like a 3rd stock motor mount.
the entire point is to reduce movement, that is why teh rx7store is solid, works much better, gafinkles one is like a step down in control and advantages.
ALso, to support flybye of course solid engine mounts are better, that is the best way to reduce engine movement and roll. However, there is a huge downside, soldi engine mounts will rattle the car your teeth out of your mouth. anybody with them will attest to that, solid enginemounts ar enot one of those mods for strip that you can puut on the street it is really crazy. Thus, the toqure brace great comprimise and prevents most broll and movement, especially when it is adjuatable.
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Last edited by KZ1; 01-28-04 at 02:06 PM.
01-28-04, 02:16 PM
#86
No it's not Turbo'd
That's the mount I had on my '94 and it was rough, it would set off the car alarm, when it was armed and the car was idling.. (Turbo Timer)
I Purposely didn't go and stick it on my '93 R1 due to the dissatisfaction of the brace on the '94, I was thinking about the Rotary Extreme feed mod, so that it slips by the ABS, with the shock absorber, but decided against it, and fixed the problem @ the source.
At the engine mounts... and with the diff brace I ordered from Rx7Store.net (Jason where is it ?
)
I should have a very solid drive terrain.
I Purposely didn't go and stick it on my '93 R1 due to the dissatisfaction of the brace on the '94, I was thinking about the Rotary Extreme feed mod, so that it slips by the ABS, with the shock absorber, but decided against it, and fixed the problem @ the source.
At the engine mounts... and with the diff brace I ordered from Rx7Store.net (Jason where is it ?
)I should have a very solid drive terrain.
Last edited by DCrosby; 01-28-04 at 02:29 PM.
01-29-04, 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by DCrosby
That's the mount I had on my '94 and it was rough, it would set off the car alarm, when it was armed and the car was idling.. (Turbo Timer)
I Purposely didn't go and stick it on my '93 R1 due to the dissatisfaction of the brace on the '94, I was thinking about the Rotary Extreme feed mod, so that it slips by the ABS, with the shock absorber, but decided against it, and fixed the problem @ the source.
At the engine mounts... and with the diff brace I ordered from Rx7Store.net (Jason where is it ? )
I should have a very solid drive terrain.
That's the mount I had on my '94 and it was rough, it would set off the car alarm, when it was armed and the car was idling.. (Turbo Timer)
I Purposely didn't go and stick it on my '93 R1 due to the dissatisfaction of the brace on the '94, I was thinking about the Rotary Extreme feed mod, so that it slips by the ABS, with the shock absorber, but decided against it, and fixed the problem @ the source.
At the engine mounts... and with the diff brace I ordered from Rx7Store.net (Jason where is it ?
)I should have a very solid drive terrain.
01-29-04, 06:53 PM
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You guys know what material the brace is made of. I just got mine today. He mentions painting and powdercoating but not polishing...I am going to polish unless it will corode...anybody know? Thanks
01-29-04, 08:20 PM
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Surface ground cold rolled steel , 3/8 thick for the brackets . The rod and ends are steel ,threaded and brazed together . The bushings are rubber with steel sleeves . Te supplied bolts are stainless steel . The allen bolts are steel, the pollynuts are aluminum .The steel will rust so paint or powdercoat or chrome is needed .
02-01-04, 02:32 PM
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kz1, for a car that is daily driven it needs to be able to move. not allowing it to move makes things go unnaturally bad. allowing for movement keeps things nice longer. thats the reason rubber is nice to have. . . and keep.
paul
kz1, for a car that is daily driven it needs to be able to move. not allowing it to move makes things go unnaturally bad. allowing for movement keeps things nice longer. thats the reason rubber is nice to have. . . and keep.
paul
02-01-04, 04:14 PM
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jim, is everybody at microsoft like you?
jim, is everybody at microsoft like you?
They are freakin brainwashed.
I gotta break out my video clip of MonkeyBoy (Paul Allen)....always good for a chuckle.
02-01-04, 08:24 PM
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I have Rotorsports Racing's polyurethane engine mounts on my car and they're fantastic. I then added the torque brace Jason sells, but had to take it off. The mounts noticeably increase vibration and with the torque brace, the entire dashboard literaly pulsated - you could see it.
So was the torque brace nice? Yes, very much so.
Did it do its job? Hell, yes.
But with stiff engine mounts, it was just overkill. There was nothing left to absorb the vibrations. Just my experience.
So was the torque brace nice? Yes, very much so.
Did it do its job? Hell, yes.
But with stiff engine mounts, it was just overkill. There was nothing left to absorb the vibrations. Just my experience.
02-01-04, 08:30 PM
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Garfinkle would like for some one with the polyurethane engine mounts to try his brace to see if the rubber bushings make a differance . Just so he will have the info
