How Not To Build An RX-7
Originally Posted by pluto
So you made a professional judgement that the engine was at fault for the oil smoke w/o root causing the problem?
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Originally Posted by Rotary Experiment Seven
It could be checked by pulling the downpipe off but the customer didn't want to pay for it at the time so we left it.
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Originally Posted by LUPE
I've seen Steve Kan do plenty of work for free, plenty.
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Since you did mentioned that the engine was the most likely caused of the smoking issue, did you highly recommended that he should have you pull the engine out and have it inspected or was it not even part of the conversation?
From all of the issues you mentioned, most of them were cosmetic issues and does not affect functionality.
Oil leak is a common problem on all rx7's. This can easily be fix. It doesn't matter if the car was leaking prior of the sale, it should be expected on a single turbo car.
BOV location is more of a cosmetic. Sure, it may not be the best location but it is functional and perform as expected. Many people have chopped up the front part of the bumper support to fit in a FMIC. That to me is more dangerous for street use than you mentioned on the BOV.
I think you were exaggerating minor issues that can easily be resolved to make your customer feel that the car is less worth than it really is. Did you also tell him that the engine is gonna blow up since it is a rotary like you always do to my customers in the past?
From all of the issues you mentioned, most of them were cosmetic issues and does not affect functionality.
Oil leak is a common problem on all rx7's. This can easily be fix. It doesn't matter if the car was leaking prior of the sale, it should be expected on a single turbo car.
BOV location is more of a cosmetic. Sure, it may not be the best location but it is functional and perform as expected. Many people have chopped up the front part of the bumper support to fit in a FMIC. That to me is more dangerous for street use than you mentioned on the BOV.
I think you were exaggerating minor issues that can easily be resolved to make your customer feel that the car is less worth than it really is. Did you also tell him that the engine is gonna blow up since it is a rotary like you always do to my customers in the past?
Originally Posted by Rotary Experiment Seven
As I stated before, the customer was on a tight budget and specified he only wanted certain issues addressed. We discussed the oil smoke briefly and I gave him several possibilities for what it could be. It could be checked by pulling the downpipe off but the customer didn't want to pay for it at the time so we left it.
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Originally Posted by pluto
Since you did mentioned that the engine was the most likely caused of the smoking issue, did you highly recommended that he should have you pull the engine out and have it inspected or was it not even part of the conversation?
From all of the issues you mentioned, most of them were cosmetic issues and does not affect functionality.
Oil leak is a common problem on all rx7's. This can easily be fix. It doesn't matter if the car was leaking prior of the sale, it should be expected on a single turbo car.
BOV location is more of a cosmetic. Sure, it may not be the best location but it is functional and perform as expected. Many people have chopped up the front part of the bumper support to fit in a FMIC. That to me is more dangerous for street use than you mentioned on the BOV.
I think you were exaggerating minor issues that can easily be resolved to make your customer feel that the car is less worth than it really is. Did you also tell him that the engine is gonna blow up since it is a rotary like you always do to my customers in the past?
From all of the issues you mentioned, most of them were cosmetic issues and does not affect functionality.
Oil leak is a common problem on all rx7's. This can easily be fix. It doesn't matter if the car was leaking prior of the sale, it should be expected on a single turbo car.
BOV location is more of a cosmetic. Sure, it may not be the best location but it is functional and perform as expected. Many people have chopped up the front part of the bumper support to fit in a FMIC. That to me is more dangerous for street use than you mentioned on the BOV.
I think you were exaggerating minor issues that can easily be resolved to make your customer feel that the car is less worth than it really is. Did you also tell him that the engine is gonna blow up since it is a rotary like you always do to my customers in the past?
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when i was directed 2 this thread.. and all the comments from outsiders that have nothing to do with it.. it upset me , ive always tried to give back to the forum, wether it be in sales, or little advice here and they're.. iam here defending my name because i will continue to be on this forum for years to come.... iam 21yrs old... i paid for the car myself while paying school, paid for mods by myself.. when i bought the car it was damn near bone stock... in 1year i turned it into a clean 10second car(looking for the slip now cuz some1 is gonna call bs) 10.83 to be exact,drivin by myself(a dumb 21yr-old) a goal *few* reach in the fd community...especially a college student that doesnt use mommy and daddy's money.. plain and simple this thread was un-called for, i dunno if it was to spark business for you(ihor), or to *try* to expose me as a fraud and as a scammer with a 1sided story.. rx7kid was the buyer. he had the car for 2-3months before this thread was posted.. so automatically you believe every single word he says ihor? and go so far to make a brand new thread*trying* to expose me based on his word alone?....
i got this car to a state that guys twice my age dream about.... and 2 be honest the only reason i sold it is because i reached my goal of a 10sec pass... and i didn't wanna tear it up and rip up a perfectly good car for my new goal a 9sec pass via v8-rx7(flamesuit on) pics coming soon
ive said it b4 ill say it again this is my last post on this thread ive cleared up alot of the accusations about the the title and etc, i feel i "cleared" my name... if you have any questions about anything or want proof of anything i said just pm me like a grown man, not a lil gossiping school girl
p.s- i did minimal work on the car 80% of it was done by a shop in nyc that i wont mention.. because unlike most iam not looking to hide or place the blame on some1 else.. i dont fault the shop for anything, because in the end i got what i paid for a 10sec car that drove 2 the track and back home on numerous occastions
p.s#2- next time i know to leave the 4wheel locks on each wheel so intead of just buying new lugnuts, the new buyer has to pay to get the old wheel locks broken off&new lugnuts........ try to safe someone a hassle and your the "scumbag" go figure
-dj
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Joe,
I never personally ripped anyone off. If you're talking about your car, we have already supply 4 engines and 4 R&R which at the end was root cause to your OMP not functioning properly. This was later identified by me on the 3trd engine when I was tuning your car on the dyno. If you want to verify if OMP could cause flatten apex seals, you can contact Pineapple racing and Pettit racing for more details. On a side note, I'm not the only person that operates and own the shop, Your buddy that you're defending here was the person who did all of the install originally, as a professional mechanic, he should have been able to identify the OMP not working, not when I was tuning the car. as for the thousands of dollars you mentioned I stole (which I'm assuming your invoice), 80% of that went to paying for your parts and 20% pays for the shop and mechanics. I certainly never touched or seen your money or even got a part of it after everything was paid. Ihor made more money at the shop than alex and I combined together.
As for Alex's car
I sold him the car as-is, I never ever mentioned that the car was prestine condition which was why I sold it $3000 - 5000 lower than the going price of the car. CYM w/ 67k miles. I was told that the engine was freshly rebuild but I also mentioned to him not to quote me on it since I personally didn't rebuild the engine. It is unfortunate that his engine blew after a short 3 months but I offered to fix his engine, he never contacted me afterwards
anybody else that I ripped off you want to talk about?
I never personally ripped anyone off. If you're talking about your car, we have already supply 4 engines and 4 R&R which at the end was root cause to your OMP not functioning properly. This was later identified by me on the 3trd engine when I was tuning your car on the dyno. If you want to verify if OMP could cause flatten apex seals, you can contact Pineapple racing and Pettit racing for more details. On a side note, I'm not the only person that operates and own the shop, Your buddy that you're defending here was the person who did all of the install originally, as a professional mechanic, he should have been able to identify the OMP not working, not when I was tuning the car. as for the thousands of dollars you mentioned I stole (which I'm assuming your invoice), 80% of that went to paying for your parts and 20% pays for the shop and mechanics. I certainly never touched or seen your money or even got a part of it after everything was paid. Ihor made more money at the shop than alex and I combined together.
As for Alex's car
I sold him the car as-is, I never ever mentioned that the car was prestine condition which was why I sold it $3000 - 5000 lower than the going price of the car. CYM w/ 67k miles. I was told that the engine was freshly rebuild but I also mentioned to him not to quote me on it since I personally didn't rebuild the engine. It is unfortunate that his engine blew after a short 3 months but I offered to fix his engine, he never contacted me afterwards
anybody else that I ripped off you want to talk about?
Originally Posted by Kyro-2
Ive also seen him rip people off for thousands of dollars.. This thread is going to go nowhere again.
Originally Posted by pluto
Joe,
I never personally ripped anyone off. If you're talking about your car, we have already supply 4 engines and 4 R&R which at the end was root cause to your OMP not functioning properly. This was later identified by me on the 3trd engine when I was tuning your car on the dyno. If you want to verify if OMP could cause flatten apex seals, you can contact Pineapple racing and Pettit racing for more details. On a side note, I'm not the only person that operates and own the shop, Your buddy that you're defending here was the person who did all of the install originally, as a professional mechanic, he should have been able to identify the OMP not working, not when I was tuning the car. as for the thousands of dollars you mentioned I stole (which I'm assuming your invoice), 80% of that went to paying for your parts and 20% pays for the shop and mechanics. I certainly never touched or seen your money or even got a part of it after everything was paid. Ihor made more money at the shop than alex and I combined together.
As for Alex's car
I sold him the car as-is, I never ever mentioned that the car was prestine condition which was why I sold it $3000 - 5000 lower than the going price of the car. CYM w/ 67k miles. I was told that the engine was freshly rebuild but I also mentioned to him not to quote me on it since I personally didn't rebuild the engine. It is unfortunate that his engine blew after a short 3 months but I offered to fix his engine, he never contacted me afterwards
anybody else that I ripped off you want to talk about?
I never personally ripped anyone off. If you're talking about your car, we have already supply 4 engines and 4 R&R which at the end was root cause to your OMP not functioning properly. This was later identified by me on the 3trd engine when I was tuning your car on the dyno. If you want to verify if OMP could cause flatten apex seals, you can contact Pineapple racing and Pettit racing for more details. On a side note, I'm not the only person that operates and own the shop, Your buddy that you're defending here was the person who did all of the install originally, as a professional mechanic, he should have been able to identify the OMP not working, not when I was tuning the car. as for the thousands of dollars you mentioned I stole (which I'm assuming your invoice), 80% of that went to paying for your parts and 20% pays for the shop and mechanics. I certainly never touched or seen your money or even got a part of it after everything was paid. Ihor made more money at the shop than alex and I combined together.
As for Alex's car
I sold him the car as-is, I never ever mentioned that the car was prestine condition which was why I sold it $3000 - 5000 lower than the going price of the car. CYM w/ 67k miles. I was told that the engine was freshly rebuild but I also mentioned to him not to quote me on it since I personally didn't rebuild the engine. It is unfortunate that his engine blew after a short 3 months but I offered to fix his engine, he never contacted me afterwards
anybody else that I ripped off you want to talk about?
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ok why is everyone crying now, business is business... what you think people can run business without making money!!!
will the jury please stand,
we find everyone in this thread not GUILTY!!!!!!!! thank you for coming GOD bless you good by
will the jury please stand,
we find everyone in this thread not GUILTY!!!!!!!! thank you for coming GOD bless you good by
Last edited by T88Rx7; Nov 2, 2006 at 10:02 PM.
The point of this thread was not to call out anyone. I used it as an example to show how poorly some cars are put together and that people pay good money for this amount of work. Other people turned it into this. I never devalued the car or brought anyone's name into this. I guess it doesn't seam that badly built when your own cars are just as bad if not worse. I don't care what the car looked like before it was sold to the current owner or what it looks like now. Whatever issues with the status of the title and mechanical condition of the car before or after the sale is not my business. It was brought to me to be looked over. I did just that, and corrected all the issues that the customer requested. The first time he brought the car I spent several hours just looking it over and talking to the customer without charging him a penny. I made a list with all the problems I found in order of priority, gave him some prices, and let him decide weather he wanted to bring the car back and what work he wanted done. People wonder why these cars break. Yes they are more tempermental and less reliable than most other cars, but if you put something tempermental together poorly you are setting yourself up to fail from the beginning. All cars break, some more than others. If you want to go fast and make power, you are going to pay. There is no way around it. If you want to play it like that, I was not the one that did most of the work on the car, it was Chris. My responsibilities were to perform the work on each customer's work order that was assignend to me. If it was on the work order, I made sure it was done. It was not my job to go hunting down missing parts, talk to the customer to see what they wanted done, and search for issues that weren't brought to my attention. I did not build any of Joe's motors. I actuallly didn't even work at the shop officially anymore at the time. I was basically begged to come back because there was no one else to do the work. As a tuner it is your responsibility to make sure the car is safe before putting high amounts of stress on it. Weather it be boost controllers, fuel system, spark plugs, whatever. Every car I have ever had tuned was given a complete look over by the tuner beforehand. A leak should be expected on a single turbo car? You want to talk about oil metering pumps? How many cars that were haltech equiped with no oil metering pump did I have to run and throw some premix in before you drove off in them. And your anwer was "its not a big deal". As I heard you don't even understand how the oiling system in a 13brew works. But I guess I could be wrong and a turbo can fail and metal shavings can fail and go from the oil return lines into the oil pan then back through the motor and detroy a motor and the oil metering pump supplies oil to the front cover. Now if you keep putting motor after motor into a car and the same problem keeps comming up, wouldn't logic suggest to look into it further because something isn't right. You can keep talking on the computer but you won't ever say anything to me in person because you have no heart. I'm glad that you have your little loyal following. Its just really sad that someone so intelligent in some ways can be so stupid and ignorant in others.
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Originally Posted by Rotary Experiment Seven
The point of this thread was not to call out anyone. I used it as an example to show how poorly some cars are put together and that people pay good money for this amount of work. Other people turned it into this. I never devalued the car or brought anyone's name into this. I guess it doesn't seam that badly built when your own cars are just as bad if not worse. I don't care what the car looked like before it was sold to the current owner or what it looks like now. Whatever issues with the status of the title and mechanical condition of the car before or after the sale is not my business. It was brought to me to be looked over. I did just that, and corrected all the issues that the customer requested. The first time he brought the car I spent several hours just looking it over and talking to the customer without charging him a penny. I made a list with all the problems I found in order of priority, gave him some prices, and let him decide weather he wanted to bring the car back and what work he wanted done. People wonder why these cars break. Yes they are more tempermental and less reliable than most other cars, but if you put something tempermental together poorly you are setting yourself up to fail from the beginning. All cars break, some more than others. If you want to go fast and make power, you are going to pay. There is no way around it. If you want to play it like that, I was not the one that did most of the work on the car, it was Chris. My responsibilities were to perform the work on each customer's work order that was assignend to me. If it was on the work order, I made sure it was done. It was not my job to go hunting down missing parts, talk to the customer to see what they wanted done, and search for issues that weren't brought to my attention. I did not build any of Joe's motors. I actuallly didn't even work at the shop officially anymore at the time. I was basically begged to come back because there was no one else to do the work. As a tuner it is your responsibility to make sure the car is safe before putting high amounts of stress on it. Weather it be boost controllers, fuel system, spark plugs, whatever. Every car I have ever had tuned was given a complete look over by the tuner beforehand. A leak should be expected on a single turbo car? You want to talk about oil metering pumps? How many cars that were haltech equiped with no oil metering pump did I have to run and throw some premix in before you drove off in them. And your anwer was "its not a big deal". As I heard you don't even understand how the oiling system in a 13brew works. But I guess I could be wrong and a turbo can fail and metal shavings can fail and go from the oil return lines into the oil pan then back through the motor and detroy a motor and the oil metering pump supplies oil to the front cover. Now if you keep putting motor after motor into a car and the same problem keeps comming up, wouldn't logic suggest to look into it further because something isn't right. You can keep talking on the computer but you won't ever say anything to me in person because you have no heart. I'm glad that you have your little loyal following. Its just really sad that someone so intelligent in some ways can be so stupid and ignorant in others.
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