togi

Dear RX-7 enthusiasts,
I`m considering to join the family with a 3rd gen 7.
Even I`ve been collecting information about the cars, I`m new around in that field. Owner of a 95 Eclipse GSX I have good amount of information about modifying cars, but this time I`m considering to go with a fully modified one.
Here are 3 cars appearing on my list, I`d really appreciate if you can help me to choose one of them.
1st RX-7 :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1866443532
2nd RX-7:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=120467
3rd RX-7:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=117004

I`m leaning towards the 2nd Rx-7 , let me know what you think.
Togay

RyanREX

I would choose the 2nd.

Mahjik

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Well, if it were me, I wouldn't get an FD that was already modded out the wazzu...

Hell, that's half the fun to "make the car yours". Puttting on the mods you want and seeing the peformance gains you get from each thing you do.

black99

All are very modified, be sure you don't wreck any of them if you get one of them. Not anything against you but going from a Eclipse GSX to a 400hp FD is a big change. Also learn lots about FD's so that you know whether these cars are modified "right" and have the right things to back up the modifications or you could find yourself with alot more than you bargained for.


The first one is scott(pittsburgh)'s.

black99

Also I agree with Majik I personally would start with a clean stock one/low modded one.

I don't like trying to figure out what other people did to a car, when the parts were installed, if they were installed correctly, etc. And if you install all the parts yourself chances are you'll know alot more about where everything goes, how it works and will be able to diagnos future problems easier.

togi

Thanks for the replies guys,
Mahjik I`ve been modifying my car for around 2 years now and I understand what your sayin` very well. Unfortunatelly I can`t spare anytime for it anymore.
Black 99, your underestimating eclipse`s here..
My car puts around 380hp at the crank, and I drove a couple 400+whp cars of my friends, so I`m quite used to fast cars.
I`d appreciate if you can limit your suggestions on the question I asked.

Thanks

togi

bump...

togi

^^^

Snook

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you just had 3 of the best people on the forum reply to your question. What else do you want?
I don't think you should rely on what other people are telling you to get. You should do research and learn about rx7s and then decide for yourself. That way you will be prepared to take care of the car when you get it too.

I also agree that it's dumb and not original to get a car that is done for you already. Get a car that is stock or almost stock and build it up the way you want it and know what was done to it.

comparing 3d gen and eclipse come on man
a legendary car to a car that everyone and their mother has. I dont care if you had 800 front wheel hp its still an eclipse.

you will do yourself a favor if you educate yourself about rx7s and make your own choice.
if you just want to be cool and get a car that's complete already go ahead though.

black99

Not to mention an AWD eclipse. Whether it has 400whp+ or not it's a big difference than a 400rwhp RWD FD. Do eclipse GSX's spin wheels from a 60mph roll? Even stock for stock a GSX is nothing close to a FD.

How am I supposed to tell you which one to buy anyways like Snook said? I don't know what you can afford, what color you're partial too, etc.

I gave you my advice which is to educate yourself, think about whether you really want a completed FD that's been modded like others have been saying and basically make your own decisions.


And I'm not going to read down through all the ad's and tell you which/if any are not built/modded right or tell you which one has better stuff on it. That's your job. I'm not a car salesman..

togi

I know you were trying to help and appreciate it, but I`d rather prefer you not to post if your not willing to answer my original question.
Sorry, but I don`t like this attitude, we`re all aware of the potential of 7 and no one is comparing it with another car. Chill out pls.

Ok guys from the responses I get I understand that this thread won`t help me at all. I keep getting replies telling me to educate myself and modify a stock car myself, but no one seem to understand that I don`t have time for it. And it wasn`t the question I asked at the first place. I just wanted to get your educated opinions , that`s all and if you think it`s asking too much please do not reply.

Thanks everyone.

black99

Togi, I'd honestly probably be more interested in the 2nd one for a couple reasons...


But I was just trying to say that we can't choose what car you buy, and that you should at least do some research on the parts that are on the car before you buy it so you know what you're getting and what parts are "better" than others.

Mahjik

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togi,

The main problem with purchasing highly modded FD's is the tuning. The cars can look great on paper, but if they are un-tuned or tuned badly, they will run like *ss.

I don't think you are going to get anyone to say "Pick #X". Anyone can build a great FD on paper, but getting it to perform is another thing...

However, here are my suggestions:

1. Don't buy a car you can't test drive first.

2. No matter what, don't give any money on an FD without a compression test being done.

3. Do some research on the mods done on the car, how long the mods have been on the car, how much do the mods cost if you were to buy them now, factor all that into the asking price.

4. Think about the mods that are on the car. If the car is going to be a daily driver, large single turbos that have lag are not going to be good for that. Will the car be AutoX'd, dragged, open tracked, just street driven, etc.. ?

There are a lot of things that go into picking the right car. Without answers like those, no one can really make a good suggestion for you.

Good luck.

togi

Black99 and Mahjik,
Thank you very much, your final posts were what I was really expecting to hear.
Black 99,
Yeah I already started to compare upgrades. I used the search button last night more than a couple of times. For example 2nd car has Centerforce clutch which seems not to be the first choice of RX-7 owners.
Mahjik,
Thanks a lot for your suggestion list, it summarizes everything very nicely. I`m especially concerned about the 1st item of your list.
The reason is I`m in Ottawa,Canada and its really hard to find a nice local RX-7 . What I`m planning is findin the car online, and flying to see and test drive the car.
The problem here, as you appreciate, I can`t fly many times, so I have to chech everything before test driving the car.
I`ve good amount of information in tuning, and I love to do it. So if the car has an engine management system(like haltech or motec) I believe I wouldn`t have any problem in tuning it.
I`ll basically use the car as a summer drive, with a couple of visits to the race track and the dragway.

Thanks again guys,
I do appreciate the help.

Mahjik

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Well, unfortunately there are no pics of the 3rd one (the Yellow R1). However, just on paper, that would be the one I would look into out of the three you listed. If it doesn't have some crazy body work or some strange 20" rims, it would be my choice.

Be careful when tuning a rotary engine. They do not take to detonation like a piston engine. There is a thread back here of someone tuning a FD with one of the Wolf ECUs and it only took one good detonation and his seals were gone while tuning. With rotaries, it's usually best to have someone tune it who has tune rotaries before...

Mahjik

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DOH! Just noticed the pics link on the yellow R1. Still, nice and clean car body.

togi

I was just reading about this on the forums..
Actually I`m also considering MK4 supra and still comparing these 2 cars. Only thing makes me still consider the supra is reability issues with 7s.
On the other hand, I want a light car , and RX-7 is looking way better than supra, and with 50/50 weight distribution carving with it would be a great fun.
If I had time, I wouldn`t even think and buy the RX-7 but now I`m kinda afraid of not being able to give the car the attention it deserves and requires.

Between the cars, I really like the mods of the 2nd car and the looks of the 3rd one (CYM). I know that CYM is very rare(only 350 in NA) and usually sells for much more than the other colors. Mods are also compareable, one has Haltech the other Motec as engine management, one has ACT the other centerforce as a clutch, they both have single turbos with smilar specs.
Overall I guess I like the CYM but I feel the 2nd car will be more problem free. There`s no tranny job done on CYM, I guess this may be a concern.

Thanks Mahjik,
It`s a pleasure to read your replies.

maxcooper

I am not a huge fan of the wheels on it, but the second car would probably be my choice. That was Ryan's Schlagheck's car and he did a nice job on the build up.

The third one is very nice, too. The first one has good mods but isn't my style and it would be a lot of work to change the appearance.

While it is fun to do the build-up yourself, it can be a pretty good bargain to get one as nicely modded as any of the ones you listed.

-Max

Snook

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It really isn't that hard to maintain these cars
don't let that turn you away...it's not like you are going to have to sit there 24/7 and breast feed the car

you just have to not be a moron I guess

Do the reliability mods, watch the boost and water temp, make sure to not try to fine tune the car, always give it a little more fuel just in case. Let it warm up for a few minutes till it gets to operating temperature before you drive and especially boost. Let it sit for a minute after a normal drive and a few minutes after boosting before turning off. if you have driven the car hard do an oil change sooner than 2000 miles if not do it at 2000 at most. Add a little oil at 1200 miles because it will be gone. Change out all the fluids and filter periodically this helps avoid problems. Brake, Coolant, Differential fluid, fuel filter, air filter, clean injectors. Do the fan mod and give the water temp gauge a glance every few minutes. Make sure to control your boost to what the fuel system can handle. 12 psi is the most on stock fuel system. Anything more and you need a fuel pump. And then for more it is best to get bigger injectors.
If you need a rebuild, have the motor rebuilt at a shop that EVERYONE says good things about. Let the motor break in for 1000 or 1500 miles before boosting hard.
It's not so much that the maintenance is a lot on these cars it's that even after you do it you may have problems. It seems like with a supra you don't have to even touch the car for 200,000 miles and you can beat the **** out of it every day and not have to replace one part.
Owning a rx7 and taking care of it I feel pretty confident that I will have no problems. But when my motor gets 60k miles and more I will start to worry about a coolant or apex seal going just because I have seen them blow at this point. Except for that it's just a normal turbo sports car. If you think of all of this stuff as maintenance and hard well I don't know what car you can own.

togi

Yeah I know what you`re saying..
I also don`t like the rims and the wing, I believe that RX-7 looks great straight from the factory, and the addition of any aggressive kit pieces is liable to ruin these beautiful, subtle lines.

Snook,
Thanks a lot for clarifying reliability issues, if that`s all it takes then I`m in..
I understand engine needs to be rebuilt in every 60 to 100K miles. Since I`m considering to buy a newly built engine and the car will be my summer driver, I don`t think I`ll be able to put 60K miles in the next 20 years..

adam c

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Anyone who tells you to buy one of these cars is an idiot. Buy the red one. I like red.

Just kidding.