3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

Heel and toe

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 12:26 PM
  #1  
Xirius's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: LA
Heel and toe

I'm 6" tall and everytime I try to heel and toe the steering wheel gets in the way of my right thigh preventing me to blip the throttle with my heel.

I tried adjusting the seat further backwards but it still doesnt help.

I cannot adjust the steering wheel position right?

How do you guys do it?
Will getting a set of closer, larger pedals help?
Any recommendations?
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 12:55 PM
  #2  
Mahjik's Avatar
Mr. Links
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 27,595
Likes: 43
From: Kansas City, MO
Re: Heel and toe

Originally posted by Xirius
I cannot adjust the steering wheel position right?
Right, it's not adjustable.

Originally posted by Xirius
How do you guys do it?
Will getting a set of closer, larger pedals help?
Any recommendations?
If the steering wheel is in the way, then larger pedals isn't going to help that much.

You can purchase an aftermarket steering wheel which is either a D-Cut and/or a smaller diameter. Also, getting an aftermarket seat which sits lower to the floor can help but do the steering wheel first as that may be all you need.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 12:57 PM
  #3  
rynberg's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 14,716
Likes: 10
From: San Lorenzo, California
I suggest you try doing the "other" version of heel-toeing by blipping the gas with the SIDE of your foot instead of your heel. THAT technique is where a widefoot pedal adapter will help.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 12:59 PM
  #4  
P'cola FD's Avatar
Hamado things my way!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,245
Likes: 0
From: Pensacola, Florida
I never heel-toe in an rx7. It's more like a bigtoe-little toe. Big toe on the brake, little toe blips the throttle. It seems easier and quicker to me than to try the heel-toe. This may not work for everyone as I'm 6' and have fat *** feet.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:02 PM
  #5  
NukeGenius's Avatar
Dim Sum owns you!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 2,733
Likes: 0
From: Charleston, SC
Well if you are only six inches tall, I would suggest growing a bit so that your feet actually touch the pedals. I'm sure that was just a typo though.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:04 PM
  #6  
P'cola FD's Avatar
Hamado things my way!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,245
Likes: 0
From: Pensacola, Florida
What are you talking about? 6" would be six inches. 6' is six feet.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:05 PM
  #7  
P'cola FD's Avatar
Hamado things my way!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,245
Likes: 0
From: Pensacola, Florida
Or is the public school system here in Florida really as bad as they say?
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:14 PM
  #8  
cavellm's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 3,118
Likes: 0
From: Dallas, TX
Originally posted by P'cola FD
Or is the public school system here in Florida really as bad as they say?
Or the original poster typed 6"
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:14 PM
  #9  
AntiVenom7's Avatar
Wouldn't Go If U Paid Me
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,036
Likes: 0
From: Clayton, NC
Originally posted by P'cola FD
Or is the public school system here in Florida really as bad as they say?
no but your high school called and they want their lame jokes back. hey wait a minute... my joke was lame too.

obviously the guy meant 6'

as far as heel-toe i do like P'cola or i do heel toe in reverse. heel on brake toes on gas.

edit: nevermind...i get it now. but i will leave the thread like this as a tribute to my stupidity.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:32 PM
  #10  
P'cola FD's Avatar
Hamado things my way!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,245
Likes: 0
From: Pensacola, Florida
Originally posted by cavellm
Or the original poster typed 6"
None of my posts have been edited.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:39 PM
  #11  
P'cola FD's Avatar
Hamado things my way!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,245
Likes: 0
From: Pensacola, Florida
Ok, nevermind. I missed that. Carry on.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 02:16 PM
  #12  
seanfd3s's Avatar
airplane apex seals
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
From: either sunnyvale or san jose
dunno man try using the side of your feet. my wheel is fixed to im 6 foot w/ size 13 feet and i can do it fine in any car. find what workes best for you
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 02:47 PM
  #13  
Fatman0203's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 3,639
Likes: 0
From: MIA
Im also 6 feet and its impossible, the other method works well using the side of your foot. Yet I consider it better to use the other way. No idea. Anyone got a pic of a steering wheel with the D cut?
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 02:56 PM
  #14  
clayne's Avatar
PV = nRT
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,250
Likes: 0
From: New Zealand (was California)
Don't even try to use the traditional method if you're over 5'10.

The "alternate" works just fine, and may even be more appropriate with firewall pivoting pedals (as opposed to floor-mount).
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 02:57 PM
  #15  
NukeGenius's Avatar
Dim Sum owns you!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 2,733
Likes: 0
From: Charleston, SC
The D cut steering wheel looks just like a regular one, only the bottom side is cut straight across so you can move your legs under it easier.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 03:38 PM
  #16  
alberto_mg's Avatar
Rotary Freak
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,690
Likes: 0
From: nyc+li, ny
I plan on getting the Sparco Mugello wheel to circumvent this issue. I'm 5'10" and have the same problem.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 03:55 PM
  #17  
poolman1126's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 176
Likes: 0
From: Salt Lake City, Ut
Ok, I KNOW I'm gonna get a whole heap o' crap for this. You people just remember that not everyone else around knows as much as you, and how am I gonna learn if I never ask.... WHY are you doing this "heal-toe" thing? Obviously it serves a purpose, but I haven't the slightest idea what that is. (Unless it's TOO obvious and I still missed it anyway). I know, I know, laugh it up! I'm trying to picture a time when one would want to do this.... can't think of it. But in my defense I'm at work and tired as hell.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 03:57 PM
  #18  
cloud9's Avatar
The bomb is in the toy!1!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,229
Likes: 291
From: Dallas Tx.
you should not need a bigger stearing wheel, you should have the ball of your foot on the brake, and since your tall and have long legs I suggest getting a wider gas pedal that is closer to the brake, then (while keeping the ball of your foot on the brake) roll your foot (ankle) and use the outer sidewall of your foot to blip the throttle

so I say go for the bigger gas pedal
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 03:59 PM
  #19  
cloud9's Avatar
The bomb is in the toy!1!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,229
Likes: 291
From: Dallas Tx.
Originally posted by poolman1126
Ok, I KNOW I'm gonna get a whole heap o' crap for this. You people just remember that not everyone else around knows as much as you, and how am I gonna learn if I never ask.... WHY are you doing this "heal-toe" thing? Obviously it serves a purpose, but I haven't the slightest idea what that is. (Unless it's TOO obvious and I still missed it anyway). I know, I know, laugh it up! I'm trying to picture a time when one would want to do this.... can't think of it. But in my defense I'm at work and tired as hell.
The idea is to match engine speed with wheel speed for certain gears, so there is less stress on the drivetrain/clutch when you downshift (short version)
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 04:14 PM
  #20  
poolman1126's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 176
Likes: 0
From: Salt Lake City, Ut
Oh. Suppose I should consider doing that from now on. As opposed to doing the "brake, downshift, brake, downshift, brake, downshift, stop, hold clutch" thing. I can see how that'd be better for your driveline. Thanks cloud9!
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 04:21 PM
  #21  
poss's Avatar
Slower Traffic Keep Right
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,194
Likes: 2
From: Dayton, OH
Downshifting with out rev matching can unsettle the car and spin out. Also, by double clutching, you can get into 1st gear with out being basically stopped.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 04:30 PM
  #22  
XSTransAm's Avatar
Ee / Cpe
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,843
Likes: 2
From: Gaithersburg, MD / WVU
I was trying to heel toe once and got my food caught between the break and gas pedal... scary and embarassing cause people were watching.

post 1k
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 04:45 PM
  #23  
dgeesaman's Avatar
Moderator
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 12,313
Likes: 27
From: Hershey PA
I didn't have instruction when I learned to heel/toe and so I do it with the instep on the brake and my toe rotated around to blip the gas. It keeps my knee toward the console, and with my instep on the brake I can press pretty hard on the brake and still point my toe to do the blip.

Not sure yet if a racing instructor is going to have to unlearn me of it tho.

Dave
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 05:20 PM
  #24  
cloud9's Avatar
The bomb is in the toy!1!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,229
Likes: 291
From: Dallas Tx.
Originally posted by dgeesaman
I didn't have instruction when I learned to heel/toe and so I do it with the instep on the brake and my toe rotated around to blip the gas. It keeps my knee toward the console, and with my instep on the brake I can press pretty hard on the brake and still point my toe to do the blip.

Not sure yet if a racing instructor is going to have to unlearn me of it tho.

Dave
if I am understanding you right a racing instructor would tell you to unlearn that, are you saying your using the heel of your foot on the brake? If so the reason you would be told to change that is because with your technique in order to aply certain amounts of brake pressure in different situations you have to modulate your entire leg as opossed to just your foot
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 05:36 PM
  #25  
Mahjik's Avatar
Mr. Links
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 27,595
Likes: 43
From: Kansas City, MO
Originally posted by Fatman0203
Anyone got a pic of a steering wheel with the D cut?
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:10 AM.