Has anyone done this reliability mod
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Has anyone done this reliability mod
I was just wondering if anyone had any info on this mod. I want to do this mod but am unclear of the exact wires involved mainly (color codes) from the ignitor to coils, and from the ecu to ignitor (for testing purposes).
Thanks in advance for any help.
Lorenzo
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/ignition.html#HAR
Thanks in advance for any help.
Lorenzo
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:06:51 -0600
From: "Westbrook, Chuck E." (CWestbrook@tmh.tmc.edu)
The ECU on passenger side sends the firing trigger pulses to the igniter on the drivers side. This can't be changed and doesn't need changing.
The problem is with the wiring from the igniter to the coils. The coils are only about 2 feet from the igniter. But, the wiring goes from the igniter back inside the car to the main engine harness by the ECU, out the right firewall, to the engine where the solenoids are, across the front of the engine, then back on the left side of the engine to the coils. The 2 feet distance is now about 8 feet of wire carrying pulsating DC which can emit EMF if not properly shielded. This excess length also increases the possibility of the wiring being damage and/or misfiring.
While reinstalling my engine, I decided to go for the direct 2 foot route. The short ignition coil harness was removed from the main harness and the three coil connectors were cut off. These were then rewired with shielded wire to go directly to the igniter. The igniter output wires were cut and connected to the new harness. While doing this, the primary igniter wires were also connected to an extra male/female connector that allows them to run normally or be connected to my Crain HI6R.
Currently while breaking in the new engine, the Crane is disconnected and all are working fine. I did all of this to insure that the coils received the best possible signals and to increase reliability.
olor codes).
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:06:51 -0600
From: "Westbrook, Chuck E." (CWestbrook@tmh.tmc.edu)
The ECU on passenger side sends the firing trigger pulses to the igniter on the drivers side. This can't be changed and doesn't need changing.
The problem is with the wiring from the igniter to the coils. The coils are only about 2 feet from the igniter. But, the wiring goes from the igniter back inside the car to the main engine harness by the ECU, out the right firewall, to the engine where the solenoids are, across the front of the engine, then back on the left side of the engine to the coils. The 2 feet distance is now about 8 feet of wire carrying pulsating DC which can emit EMF if not properly shielded. This excess length also increases the possibility of the wiring being damage and/or misfiring.
While reinstalling my engine, I decided to go for the direct 2 foot route. The short ignition coil harness was removed from the main harness and the three coil connectors were cut off. These were then rewired with shielded wire to go directly to the igniter. The igniter output wires were cut and connected to the new harness. While doing this, the primary igniter wires were also connected to an extra male/female connector that allows them to run normally or be connected to my Crain HI6R.
Currently while breaking in the new engine, the Crane is disconnected and all are working fine. I did all of this to insure that the coils received the best possible signals and to increase reliability.
olor codes).
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Thanks adam, but yes that is exactly why I want to do this mod, I have an ignition problem and am trying to cure it so rather than tracing 8 feet of wire wrapped around the engine I can barely fit my hand in, I figured this would be a simple solution, at the least it would allow me to fix the problem.
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Thanks adam, but yes that is exactly why I want to do this mod, I have an ignition problem and am trying to cure it so rather than tracing 8 feet of wire wrapped around the engine I can barely fit my hand in, I figured this would be a simple solution, at the least it would allow me to fix the problem.
Thanks adam, but yes that is exactly why I want to do this mod, I have an ignition problem and am trying to cure it so rather than tracing 8 feet of wire wrapped around the engine I can barely fit my hand in, I figured this would be a simple solution, at the least it would allow me to fix the problem.
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Yeah I have done a test of the ignitor harness and it indicates that there is power, I have already replaced the ignitor 2wice so thats not my problem, I am certain the ecu is good because it powers everything else, the ignitors were tested at a local electric smith and came back operable. All fuses and plugs tested for voltage and ohmage, a-ok. I have traced as many wires as I am limited to without having to dissassemble everything (other than the entire intake assembly), so that is why I was interested in running it direct as a simple solution, plus the concept makes sense. No power whatsoever to the ignitors, and thats my problem. There were two small wires in the engine bay tested with 3v and 11v that were broke, but I don't believe they are the power supply to the ignitors. Two wires are solid black with different gauges, and one wire was black with a red stripe that leads to were I believe the crank angle sensors are which turns into black with a white stripe. So I am almost certain it is a break in the wires but I can't find the source. But, man if anyone could give me the key information that could get me running I would gladly send them $30 via paypal.
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Originally posted by lopedl
Yeah I have done a test of the ignitor harness and it indicates that there is power, I have already replaced the ignitor 2wice so thats not my problem, I am certain the ecu is good because it powers everything else, the ignitors were tested at a local electric smith and came back operable. All fuses and plugs tested for voltage and ohmage, a-ok. I have traced as many wires as I am limited to without having to dissassemble everything (other than the entire intake assembly), so that is why I was interested in running it direct as a simple solution, plus the concept makes sense. No power whatsoever to the ignitors, and thats my problem. There were two small wires in the engine bay tested with 3v and 11v that were broke, but I don't believe they are the power supply to the ignitors. Two wires are solid black with different gauges, and one wire was black with a red stripe that leads to were I believe the crank angle sensors are which turns into black with a white stripe. So I am almost certain it is a break in the wires but I can't find the source. But, man if anyone could give me the key information that could get me running I would gladly send them $30 via paypal.
Yeah I have done a test of the ignitor harness and it indicates that there is power, I have already replaced the ignitor 2wice so thats not my problem, I am certain the ecu is good because it powers everything else, the ignitors were tested at a local electric smith and came back operable. All fuses and plugs tested for voltage and ohmage, a-ok. I have traced as many wires as I am limited to without having to dissassemble everything (other than the entire intake assembly), so that is why I was interested in running it direct as a simple solution, plus the concept makes sense. No power whatsoever to the ignitors, and thats my problem. There were two small wires in the engine bay tested with 3v and 11v that were broke, but I don't believe they are the power supply to the ignitors. Two wires are solid black with different gauges, and one wire was black with a red stripe that leads to were I believe the crank angle sensors are which turns into black with a white stripe. So I am almost certain it is a break in the wires but I can't find the source. But, man if anyone could give me the key information that could get me running I would gladly send them $30 via paypal.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ight=CAS+wires
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I had a typo up there it should be that I tested the coil packs, not the ignitors, and the coil packs came back operable, and that there is infact juice in the ignitor harness. BTW does any one know if the the crank angle sensor produces voltage by itself from the black and white/stripe wire, that is were I did not find voltage? So that might be my problem
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No it's not Turbo'd
Crank angle sensor should be an induction type of deal, so no the only time you'd see voltage is when the motor is running from crank angle... it is esentially the trigger for the ecu to fire the plugs...
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No it's not Turbo'd
Dunno how the ecu recats to no cas... but I doubt it's the same as no O2 sensor, where it just uses defaults... since it's very important to know when and where to fire the plugs, I know several people have complained that the AEM needs the sensor closer, since it needs a good solid signal, and the further the sensor is from the induction arm the weaker the signal... try and tie a magnet to the arm, if you're really desperate and see if it cranks over, if it does, kill it immediately since you don't want to screw over your sensor by overloading it, and put some washers behind the sensor to bring it closer to the arm...
I'm not certain this will mess up anything, but I don't want to give you bad advice either, the safest thing is to put a timing light on the sparc wire, and then try to wave a magnet / piece of ferrous metal (iron) by the sensor, and see if the timing light lights up... maybe without fuel.. by removing the fuel pump fuse... to keep things safe...
I'm not certain this will mess up anything, but I don't want to give you bad advice either, the safest thing is to put a timing light on the sparc wire, and then try to wave a magnet / piece of ferrous metal (iron) by the sensor, and see if the timing light lights up... maybe without fuel.. by removing the fuel pump fuse... to keep things safe...
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The ecu must have a rpm reference pulse to start things off. If testing the crank sensor is a problem think of it this way, If you are smelling gas at the tail pipe and depending how much cranking you do if the crank sensor are good you would smell fuel at the tail pipe. If no gas is smelled at all then its a better bet the injectors along with the ignition aren't getting a pulse via the crank sensors. I would myself check voltage at the coils, check for positive voltage and check the negative side. It should have a voltage reading while cranking and with the ignition on depending on where the ignition faze is.
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