FD's aerodynamic advantage over a C5 z06?
12-17-05, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII
This has got to be the worst site of Bench Racers and "what if my car was running one of two turbo's and the mustang had only 5 of 6 cyllanders working" type of rediculous scenario's.
Best way to find out if your car will beat your friends: Race. Does it matter? No. Take it to the track or just be quiet.
:P Sorry I'm a crankpot tonight.
Best way to find out if your car will beat your friends: Race. Does it matter? No. Take it to the track or just be quiet.
:P Sorry I'm a crankpot tonight.
I was just curious about aerodynamic effects....
12-17-05, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Yes it will. If it won't then you need a better driver with more practice. I ran an uncorrected 13.3 on stock expedias at 35psi at 1300ft above sea level in summer.
12-17-05, 03:02 AM
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http://www.3rdhonk.com/Vids/download.php?11-11-05.avi
If you wanna see an rx7 and eclipse and c5 go watch this video its in there finally...its a modded c5 with..intake,exhaust with no cats and tuned with HP tuner....rx7 has intake downpipe catback eclipse (car being filmed from...Ported Evo 3 Big 16g Turbo,K&N Intake
,MBC,Walbro 255 Fuel Pump,B&M Short Shifter,Dejon Race FMIC,RC 550's,Aeromotive FPR,S-AFC2,Carbon Fiber OEM Hood,Tokico Adjustables w/ Eibach Sportline Springs,Greddy Type S BOV....
oh yeah racing is bad dont race...its illegal..all of this was computer generated
If you wanna see an rx7 and eclipse and c5 go watch this video its in there finally...its a modded c5 with..intake,exhaust with no cats and tuned with HP tuner....rx7 has intake downpipe catback eclipse (car being filmed from...Ported Evo 3 Big 16g Turbo,K&N Intake
,MBC,Walbro 255 Fuel Pump,B&M Short Shifter,Dejon Race FMIC,RC 550's,Aeromotive FPR,S-AFC2,Carbon Fiber OEM Hood,Tokico Adjustables w/ Eibach Sportline Springs,Greddy Type S BOV....
oh yeah racing is bad dont race...its illegal..all of this was computer generated
12-18-05, 05:52 PM
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Okay... to clear the air I have the Z06 in question here. The car is lowered a tad bit, but not drastically. It's aero-properties should be pretty close to stock. Payne's car is in the same boat: lowered just a bit but pretty close to stock. From all I can gather from this thread, and some of my own research, he'll have about a 9% aero advantage. My car just put down 442RWHP/412RWTQ last night (corrected, of course, it was over 460 before correction) and weighs right around 3100lbs w/ the street tires (3050 on the stock setup, but the bling-bling 19s are heavy). That's roughly 7.01 lbs per Rear Wheel HP. Assuming Payne's car weighs 2800lbs he'd need almost exactly 400rwhp to match that power/weight ratio. However, the motor going into his car has already been dyno proven (in a Fbody) to put down 405RWHP. Payne might lose a few RWHP due to the FD's IRS, so let's call the lbs/rwhp battle dead even.
That really only leaves 1) traction 2) gearing 3) driver skills 4) aero.
I probably have the advantage on number 1, though we both ride on more handling oriented "regular" street tires (no drag radials or anything of that nature). I'm running a 305 though and payne is on a 285 I believe. Both of us suffer from wheel hop on aggressive launches w/ or street tires, again: pretty even. Let's call this (very minor) advantage: Z06.
For number 2 I'm not sure how I'd rank it. We're both very traction limited in 1st and usually 2nd so perhaps paynes more aggressive (3.90s I believe) gearing is a disadvantage compared to my 3.42s. But on the top end of the 1/4 mile I'll be finishing in the mid RPM range in 4th (assuming a ~120ish trap) whereas payne should be right on his peak power RPM. Advantage: LS1->FD. We also have the trannies to consider here also. His car has a T56 and mine a M12 (same basic tranny w/ different ratios)...
M12:
1st Gear Ratio 2.97:1
2nd Gear Ratio 2.07:1
3rd Gear Ratio 1.43:1
4th Gear Ratio 1.00:1
5th Gear Ratio 0.84:1
6th Gear Ratio 0.56:1
'98-02 T56:
1st Gear Ratio 2.66:1
2nd Gear Ratio 1.78:1
3rd Gear Ratio 1.3:1
4th Gear Ratio 1.00:1
5th Gear Ratio 0.74:1
6th Gear Ratio 0.5:1
I have more aggressive gearing 1st-3rd, but as such have larger gaps to still wind up at a 1:1 4th. The 2-3 gap in particular has a notably larger spread.
Advantage: ???
3) I'll own his monkey ***! Haha, j/k. Obviously there's no merit in debating driver skills on the internet. Neither of us are "drag racers" by nature. I like turns.
But we're both competent drivers. Call it a scratch maybe??
4) Through this thread we've established this to be a ~9% Advantage: LS1->FD
Bottom line payne just needs to get his *** in gear and get the new motor in his car so we can go find out once and for all.
The Z06:
-TJ
That really only leaves 1) traction 2) gearing 3) driver skills 4) aero.
I probably have the advantage on number 1, though we both ride on more handling oriented "regular" street tires (no drag radials or anything of that nature). I'm running a 305 though and payne is on a 285 I believe. Both of us suffer from wheel hop on aggressive launches w/ or street tires, again: pretty even. Let's call this (very minor) advantage: Z06.
For number 2 I'm not sure how I'd rank it. We're both very traction limited in 1st and usually 2nd so perhaps paynes more aggressive (3.90s I believe) gearing is a disadvantage compared to my 3.42s. But on the top end of the 1/4 mile I'll be finishing in the mid RPM range in 4th (assuming a ~120ish trap) whereas payne should be right on his peak power RPM. Advantage: LS1->FD. We also have the trannies to consider here also. His car has a T56 and mine a M12 (same basic tranny w/ different ratios)...
M12:
1st Gear Ratio 2.97:1
2nd Gear Ratio 2.07:1
3rd Gear Ratio 1.43:1
4th Gear Ratio 1.00:1
5th Gear Ratio 0.84:1
6th Gear Ratio 0.56:1
'98-02 T56:
1st Gear Ratio 2.66:1
2nd Gear Ratio 1.78:1
3rd Gear Ratio 1.3:1
4th Gear Ratio 1.00:1
5th Gear Ratio 0.74:1
6th Gear Ratio 0.5:1
I have more aggressive gearing 1st-3rd, but as such have larger gaps to still wind up at a 1:1 4th. The 2-3 gap in particular has a notably larger spread.
Advantage: ???
3) I'll own his monkey ***! Haha, j/k. Obviously there's no merit in debating driver skills on the internet. Neither of us are "drag racers" by nature. I like turns.
But we're both competent drivers. Call it a scratch maybe??4) Through this thread we've established this to be a ~9% Advantage: LS1->FD
Bottom line payne just needs to get his *** in gear and get the new motor in his car so we can go find out once and for all.
The Z06:
-TJ
12-20-05, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tjZ06
Okay... to clear the air I have the Z06 in question here. The car is lowered a tad bit, but not drastically. It's aero-properties should be pretty close to stock. Payne's car is in the same boat: lowered just a bit but pretty close to stock. From all I can gather from this thread, and some of my own research, he'll have about a 9% aero advantage. My car just put down 442RWHP/412RWTQ last night (corrected, of course, it was over 460 before correction) and weighs right around 3100lbs w/ the street tires (3050 on the stock setup, but the bling-bling 19s are heavy). That's roughly 7.01 lbs per Rear Wheel HP. Assuming Payne's car weighs 2800lbs he'd need almost exactly 400rwhp to match that power/weight ratio. However, the motor going into his car has already been dyno proven (in a Fbody) to put down 405RWHP. Payne might lose a few RWHP due to the FD's IRS, so let's call the lbs/rwhp battle dead even.
-TJ
-TJ
12-21-05, 11:43 AM
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Hmmm, mods... what mods? Seriously though:
I'm sure there's stuff I'm forgetting too.
-TJ
Seriously though:- Cartek built 348 CUI LS6
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- Nick Williams 90mm Throttle Body
- FAST 90mm Intake Manifold
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- Upgraded Radiator
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- Tune by Nick Newton at Newtech Performance (Hayward, CA)
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- Street: 19x10" & 19x11" CCW 505A, 295/30-19 & 305/30-19 Pirelli P-Zero Rosa
- AutoX: 17x11" 'ZR1' Style Rims & 315/35-17 Kuhmo V710s
- Road Race: 17x9.5" & 18x10.5" Stock Z06 Rims - In Need of Hoosier RR Tires
I'm sure there's stuff I'm forgetting too.
-TJ
12-21-05, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bricke
Comparing a modded FD to a stock Z06 isn't really a fair fight IMO. If you put the same amount of money/mods into the Z06 as the FD, the Z06 will be quite a bit quicker. And at the end of the day, the Z06 will have the reliability it needs to drive itself home 
12-21-05, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy06
You have a good point, but compare a Fd($20,000) with $47,000 in mods, which would equal the price tag on a 2006 Z06. I might be alone here but I think the FD will probably win.
"Give me a pinto and the $69,900 it'd take to equal the cost of a C6 Z06 and I'll smoke it!"
You simply can't compare MSRP against used market value + mods. BTW have you seen LG's cammed/long-tube C6 Z06 with stock tune doing over 550 RWHP?
-TJ
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