FD's aerodynamic advantage over a C5 z06?
12-15-05, 06:53 PM
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FD's aerodynamic advantage over a C5 z06?
How significant is the FDs areodynamic advantage over a C5 Z06?
What is the difference in frontal area and C/D?
IE if I had the same lb/hp as my buddies z06, and we went from 50-150, how big an avantage would the FD have?
-Jason
What is the difference in frontal area and C/D?
IE if I had the same lb/hp as my buddies z06, and we went from 50-150, how big an avantage would the FD have?
-Jason
12-15-05, 07:00 PM
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A mildly-modded FD will beat a Z06, from my experience, that's my opinion.
Weight-for-weight...I say you give an FD the same HP as a Corvette, Supra, anything, and it will waste them. Many others will agree I should think.
"600hp VS. 1000hp Supra" comparison, no? Something like that. >_>
Weight-for-weight...I say you give an FD the same HP as a Corvette, Supra, anything, and it will waste them. Many others will agree I should think.
"600hp VS. 1000hp Supra" comparison, no? Something like that. >_>
12-15-05, 08:32 PM
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Ummm... sorry but you don't have an areodynamic advantage. The C5 has LESS drag than the FD. It's a VERY areodynamic car. Sorry to burst your bubble!
Oh... the Z06 is at least equally fast in acceleration if not faster than a "mildly" modified FD.
Oh... the Z06 is at least equally fast in acceleration if not faster than a "mildly" modified FD.
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12-15-05, 08:47 PM
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Even if you have the hp advantage or same, they'll have more torque. Combine that with better aero than the FD and you're left staring at a pair of tail lights. I dont like it anymore than you do, but that's just the way it is.
But that's not to say a FD can't be better *driven*...if you catch my drift.
But that's not to say a FD can't be better *driven*...if you catch my drift.
12-15-05, 08:59 PM
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Ummm... sorry but you don't have an areodynamic advantage. The C5 has LESS drag than the FD. It's a VERY areodynamic car. Sorry to burst your bubble!....
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12-15-05, 09:02 PM
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FDs rule the world and everything else is just flailing around in its shadow LOL.
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Hook your FD up with a full exhaust, intake, and then strip it bare. That's right, pull it all out, I'm talking about the stereo, carpet, AC, PS, etc.....Put some earplugs in and go kick that ZO6 in the
a ZO6Hook your FD up with a full exhaust, intake, and then strip it bare. That's right, pull it all out, I'm talking about the stereo, carpet, AC, PS, etc.....Put some earplugs in and go kick that ZO6 in the
12-15-05, 09:12 PM
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The RX-7 may have a very small aerodynamics advantage...
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...e+frontal+area
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...e+frontal+area
As close as they are I doubt there would be much difference until 140 mph or so where the RX-7 will be at the start of 5th gear (bad) and the Vette will have the advantage with it's 6 speed. I would think the Vette's torque advantage would be countered by the RX-7's higher red line and the ability of turbos to work harder under load provided the cork is taken out of the stock restrictive RX-7 exhaust. Bottom line is that power to weight ratio and aerodynamics are not the only important factors. Also, what will happen in theory may not happen in practice.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...e+frontal+area
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...e+frontal+area
As close as they are I doubt there would be much difference until 140 mph or so where the RX-7 will be at the start of 5th gear (bad) and the Vette will have the advantage with it's 6 speed. I would think the Vette's torque advantage would be countered by the RX-7's higher red line and the ability of turbos to work harder under load provided the cork is taken out of the stock restrictive RX-7 exhaust. Bottom line is that power to weight ratio and aerodynamics are not the only important factors. Also, what will happen in theory may not happen in practice.
12-15-05, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by John Magnuson
Ummm... sorry but you don't have an areodynamic advantage. The C5 has LESS drag than the FD. It's a VERY areodynamic car. Sorry to burst your bubble!
Oh... the Z06 is at least equally fast in acceleration if not faster than a "mildly" modified FD.
Oh... the Z06 is at least equally fast in acceleration if not faster than a "mildly" modified FD.
Sorry to burst your bubble!
12-15-05, 09:24 PM
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A mildly-modded FD will beat a Z06, from my experience, that's my opinion.
Weight-for-weight...I say you give an FD the same HP as a Corvette, Supra, anything, and it will waste them. Many others will agree I should think.
"600hp VS. 1000hp Supra" comparison, no? Something like that. >_>
Weight-for-weight...I say you give an FD the same HP as a Corvette, Supra, anything, and it will waste them. Many others will agree I should think.
"600hp VS. 1000hp Supra" comparison, no? Something like that. >_>
12-15-05, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SiKoPaThX
Z06s only weigh something like 200-300lbs more than an FD. Not much to make a difference out of anyways. The Z06 is an amazing car, so it takes a little more than mild mods to beat 405hp. That's why many FD owners who are financially fortunate enough switch up to Z06s.
Z06s approx 3100
FD approx 2800
However w/ full exhaust, intake, PFC with a good tune (12psi), weight down to about 2600 (don't need to pull the carpet or the radio just some basic weight loss) and you'll kill a Z06. This car will have approx 340 flywheel and will be 500 pounds lighter.
Now you have the power to weight adv and a huge stopping and cornering advantage
There are a surprising # of FD owners who are financially able to own most anything under a 100k and to them a z06 would be a step down. IMO they just are not that fun to drive which is what a sports car is all about.
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12-15-05, 10:13 PM
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Or you can just make 336-338 RWHP at 2800lbs with bolt-ons if you want to hang with a stock 405HP C5 Z06.
If you're competent at tuning (or get someone to tune it for you) then its not that much work. Of course that's just to trade blows with a stock car that's probably still under warranty. Once they start modding you've got to really turn up the heat on the FD to keep up.
If you're competent at tuning (or get someone to tune it for you) then its not that much work. Of course that's just to trade blows with a stock car that's probably still under warranty. Once they start modding you've got to really turn up the heat on the FD to keep up.
12-15-05, 10:52 PM
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Even though some of the vettes get down to as low as .29 cd, don't forget frontal area which is just as important. The FD has a very small frontal area.
with 400 rwhp, I destroy z06s from a roll no problem.
with 400 rwhp, I destroy z06s from a roll no problem.
12-15-05, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Wargasm
Even though some of the vettes get down to as low as .29 cd, don't forget frontal area which is just as important. The FD has a very small frontal area.
with 400 rwhp, I destroy z06s from a roll no problem.
with 400 rwhp, I destroy z06s from a roll no problem.
I should hope so you crazy bastard
12-15-05, 11:05 PM
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Um... Dan Neil's article in yesterday's L.A.Times quotes weight of the 2006 Z06 at 3147 lbs, and horsepower at 505, NOT 405.
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12-15-05, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wstrohm
Um... Dan Neil's article in yesterday's L.A.Times quotes weight of the 2006 Z06 at 3147 lbs, and horsepower at 505, NOT 405.
I can't wait to see some on the track this coming year but my car is far from stock hehe
12-16-05, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim Benton
Of the cars listed in your sig, which do you enjoy driving and why? Just curious.
And as far as the aero question goes I believe its already been answered. The C5 has no advantage over the FD once you factor in frontal area with Cd.
12-16-05, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by omochi
i thought the question asekd AERODYNAMIC advantage? everyone keeps talking about power..
maybe i cant read
maybe i cant read
Answer is NO