Mahjik

iTrader: (1)

No, what I'm saying is that not acknowledging that racial/age profiling doesn't happen is quite naive. While if might not happen where you currently are, it definitely does happen else where.

That was in response to:

Sorry, I've been a victim of both racial and age discrimation while driving sports cars over the years. Saying that you doubt it happens means that you are either ignoring it (since it's all over TV for the past few years as well as documented cases) or are really naive about things outside of your working area.

If that's an insult, then you have an extremely soft shell for a LE agent.

Sgtblue

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Well, we've gotten off-topic, but where did the racial thing come from? But OK, here's my take...absolutely I agree, racial/age profiling goes on. And guess what, nothing necessarily wrong with that either. That's what LE is paid to do. Look for things that are suspicious, don't fit, unusual. If that includes stopping a black guy at 0200 AM in an affluent subdivision in Overland Park, and using the fact that he doesn't have a front plate, I'm OK with that. And, BTW, so are most courts (within limits). Same situation would apply if he were a teenager driving Daddy's Beemer.
Totally different senario though from traffic enforcement, which is where this all started. If Cops are picking on young people, or minorities, do they just do it during the day when the weather is nice? Because with tinted windows up, at night, with headlight glare, I challenge anyone to reliably describe the race, age or even gender of a driver in another car going the opposite direction, on a roadway with closing speeds of say, 70 MPH.
Please. The reason we're having this discussion is because I'm NOT naive. Is it too much to suspect that when you were in your early twentys, you were doing something else that gained the Cop's attention when you were being victimized? From my experience, in most cases someone claiming that they were stopped just because they were driving a "sports car" or were young, is just a rationalization, or worse yet, denial of reality. In most cases, but not all. If I made it sound like an absolute, that was not my intention.
Nah, just thought it was unnecessary and inaccurate. Like generalizing about everyone who works in the computer/software industry from my experience with the IT guy at work...several years ago.

To roughly quote you from another thread "Sorry, I respect you, but disagree". But hey, your the mod, and have the power of the last rebuttle. Besides, I'll be out of town "on business" a while.

1QWIK7

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but wait, you need to follow your statement as well

i posted that in reply to your statement on how they use the no plate as an add on but i said some cities enforce this rule as a mandatory thing..meaning they will specifically pull people over just for this only..

Mahjik

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Nothing wrong with it? Hmmm.. So I guess you also believe that all Muslims are terrorist? Profiling is bad no matter how you look at it.

So, then you are retracting this comment:


Yep, you bet.

Ok, I think we are jumping off the deep end here on this one.


Well, I can let you know that growing up underneath a father who was in law enforcement, that was not the case. Actually, in most cases (when a ticket was issued), it was my father that had me go to court to fight them.

That pretty typical of someone who has been in LE for a while. No offense, but LE rarely see themselves in the wrong (check Rodney King). That's partly why my father stopped being a reserve.

I'm not sure how you disagree. The original comment was about young people not putting front plates on their cars (in states that require them) which is asking "to be pulled over". By your comments above, you just agreed that if it's a young kid in a sports car, the LE will most likely LOOK for something to pull the car over, even if they are just checking for joyriding, etc. So, a missing front plate would be such a reason, no? Even if they aren't doing anything wrong, a missing front plate is an invitation for a LE officer to "check things out".

Mahjik

iTrader: (1)

In my state it is a "manatory thing". Meaning "they can" pull people over for that. Anything which is considered "the law" you can be pulled over for regardless of how menial it seems.

It really depends on the area. Most areas where they catch a lot of people speeding and such (where the big money is made), don't enforce the smaller laws (seatbelts, plates, etc) by themselves. However, they have no problems tacking them onto other infractions especially if the person is being rude and/or uncooperative (hell, in some places that gets you shot!).

Scrapiron7

I've never had a front plate in 5 years of owning my FD and only gotten 1 ticket for it, and it happened in some small, crappy *** town of like 18 people all because some hick cop was bored and/or jealous.

ptrhahn

iTrader: (9)

Yup... it's definately the law in VA, I just don't do it. I see a HELL of alot of Ferrari's Porsches, etc around here without them as well. I think the key is to keep the rice off the car, and make it look like an adult drives it.

HOWEVER, Mahjik is right, they CAN pull you over for it... And thats a big consideration and the reason I rarely take my RX when I go out... If you're going to have a few drinks (and i'm not advocating drinking and driving), the cops won't need to see you weave or do anything wrong. They can just pull you over for no plate and THEN get real curious as to wether you've been drinking. Might as well have a tail light out, or dead tags. You're asking for it, and giving them an excuse to pull you over.

I take my Prius. Zero stud factor, superior stealth factor.

Jim Calandrella

No, I thought about it at one time, but didn't jump. I'm a musician, and during the day manage a warehouse for a big musical instrument sales company.
These little avatar things were all over the internet about a year ago. there was a website with all of them on it, and I liked this one the best.