Deleting parts when putting back together
05-29-04, 07:24 PM
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Deleting parts when putting back together
Tring to figure out what's good and what's not good to put back on. So far i'm not putting any of the AC stuff back on. Thinking of not putting the air pump back on. And also thinking about not putting abs back in. Since the car isn't going to be driven in any bad weather i desided on cutting the abs. Any thing that i should know about not putting this stuff back on? Maybe some pros and cons? thanks for all the help.
05-29-04, 07:36 PM
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I would personally keep the ABS, and the A/C for those hot and humid days. Delete the airpump and put downpipe and a resonated midpipe, delete the AWS, EGR and power steering.
05-29-04, 07:50 PM
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keep the ABS / A/C . and the air pump. you will need the air pump to pass smog
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Tring to figure out what's good and what's not good to put back on. So far i'm not putting any of the AC stuff back on. Thinking of not putting the air pump back on. And also thinking about not putting abs back in. Since the car isn't going to be driven in any bad weather i desided on cutting the abs. Any thing that i should know about not putting this stuff back on? Maybe some pros and cons? thanks for all the help.
Tring to figure out what's good and what's not good to put back on. So far i'm not putting any of the AC stuff back on. Thinking of not putting the air pump back on. And also thinking about not putting abs back in. Since the car isn't going to be driven in any bad weather i desided on cutting the abs. Any thing that i should know about not putting this stuff back on? Maybe some pros and cons? thanks for all the help.
05-30-04, 01:47 AM
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not worried about humid or hot days. so the ac is gone. don't have to pass emitions in ohio so i'm ok with out the air pump. and not going to drive the car in rain or snow or anything like that so not really any reason for abs. i was going to eleminate the abs and run all braided lines
05-30-04, 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by xxxtodxxx
what's the AWS? and i'd rather have power steering and no ac
what's the AWS? and i'd rather have power steering and no ac
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05-30-04, 08:53 AM
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Block off plates:
AWS -3k idle when starting the car
EGR –recirculates exhaust gases to intake
ACV -directs air to air pump
Air pump removal -pumps air into the exhaust
Power Steering pump removal
AWS -3k idle when starting the car
EGR –recirculates exhaust gases to intake
ACV -directs air to air pump
Air pump removal -pumps air into the exhaust
Power Steering pump removal
05-30-04, 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by XSTransAm
what are you doing with the ac?
what are you doing with the ac?
05-30-04, 10:46 AM
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i agree, since the power loss on the engine is about 0.1 hp while the ac is off... Have you ever spun the ac pully with the belt off? it spins nicer than most turbo turbines.
the only advantage to taking it off would be weight, but then again its only gonna be 30 lbs at teh most. so thats about 3 hp? you could turn up your boost .2 psi if your that worried about the power loss.
the only advantage to taking it off would be weight, but then again its only gonna be 30 lbs at teh most. so thats about 3 hp? you could turn up your boost .2 psi if your that worried about the power loss.
05-30-04, 10:54 AM
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well since i never use ac unless someone else in the car was complaining, i don't really have any use for it. and why put it back in and have more to do when i put it back together.
05-30-04, 07:24 PM
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/\ abs does allow you steer the car during a panic stomp the brake to the floor stop. by not locking up the brakes. how many soccer moms actualy do that? not many. i saw a test in road and track where a talented driver does stop the same car within a couple of feet of the abs car. not everyone is a pro driver either. abs removal is dumb on the street period. as is ac delete. i think ryn said it before "i have no idea why so many 3rd gen owners make their cars less streeeable"
05-30-04, 09:53 PM
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*sigh* I trust you on a lot of things, ryan, but not this. Since you asked for data, the best I can do is give you weblinks...I presume you'll do the same to back your case.
4x4 ABS Offroad
ABS Education FAQ
Drivers.com ABS 411
All About ABS
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Some ABS systems prevent locking wheels but not really for shorter stopping distances. In fact some create substantially longer braking distances.
Do cars with ABS stop more quickly than cars without it? Not always. Although the stopping distance with ABS is shorter under most road conditions, drivers should always keep a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of them and maintain a speed consistent with the road conditions. While a vehicle with ABS maintains its steering capability in a sudden stop, it may not turn as quickly on a slippery road as it would on dry pavement.
Getting the best from ABS Antilock braking systems don't offer shorter stopping distances. In fact on loose surfaces, where gravel or loose snow can form a wedge in front of the tire, ABS is a disadvantage. Drivers skilled at threshold braking can equal, or even outdo, ABS at stopping short. What ABS really excels at is allowing maximum braking while maintaining steering control.
ABS does not necessarily reduce the stopping distance, and in fact it can actually increase it slightly on dry pavement. But on wet or slick pavement, it may reduce the stopping distance up to 25% or more—which could be the difference between a safe stop and an accident.
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Well, most of the stuff you referenced had to do with off-roading or snowy conditions, where non-ABS braking systems are better.
As far as dry (or wet) pavement, I could care less about the pretty obscure links you came up with. The simple facts are that the same model car with ABS stops faster. Period.
Look up stopping distances for the Miata and the Viper, for example. The last gen Viper took over 120 ft to stop from 60mph due to lack of ABS. The new Viper, which is comparable in weight and has only slightly larger tires, stops in just over 100 ft. Almost all of that advantage is due to ABS. Miatas also stop 10 feet or so shorter with ABS.
Also, don't forget, any comparisons between ABS and non-ABS cars are performed in CONTROLLED conditions. The driver is very skilled and more importantly, EXPECTS the braking situation. I guarantee you, that in real world driving situations, an ABS-equipped car will stop faster than a non-ABS car in dry or wet conditions, even with Schumacher driving it.
As far as dry (or wet) pavement, I could care less about the pretty obscure links you came up with. The simple facts are that the same model car with ABS stops faster. Period.
Look up stopping distances for the Miata and the Viper, for example. The last gen Viper took over 120 ft to stop from 60mph due to lack of ABS. The new Viper, which is comparable in weight and has only slightly larger tires, stops in just over 100 ft. Almost all of that advantage is due to ABS. Miatas also stop 10 feet or so shorter with ABS.
Also, don't forget, any comparisons between ABS and non-ABS cars are performed in CONTROLLED conditions. The driver is very skilled and more importantly, EXPECTS the braking situation. I guarantee you, that in real world driving situations, an ABS-equipped car will stop faster than a non-ABS car in dry or wet conditions, even with Schumacher driving it.
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Well, let me toss in the caveat that I will never remove my ABS 
But I hold by my "opinion" that a car with ABS will take longer to stop on a dry straightaway than the same car with the ABS fuse pulled. I'm not going to test it though....
But I hold by my "opinion" that a car with ABS will take longer to stop on a dry straightaway than the same car with the ABS fuse pulled. I'm not going to test it though....
05-31-04, 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by Hyperite
Well, let me toss in the caveat that I will never remove my ABS But I hold by my "opinion" that a car with ABS will take longer to stop on a dry straightaway than the same car with the ABS fuse pulled. I'm not going to test it though....
Well, let me toss in the caveat that I will never remove my ABS
But I hold by my "opinion" that a car with ABS will take longer to stop on a dry straightaway than the same car with the ABS fuse pulled. I'm not going to test it though....
Seriously though, the fastest stops are achieved with ALL FOUR tires at the edge of lock-up. The ABS system cycles many times per second to achieve this, far faster than almost any human can do it. And note the ALL FOUR tires part. In almost any situation, an individual wheel will lockup before the other ones -- without ABS, you would be easing off the brakes to remove that lockup whereas the other three tires still had traction. The best ABS systems adjust ALL FOUR wheels individually (the FD has 3-channel, the rears are activated simultaneously). Therefore, a human can't achieve the best stopping distances.
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so i guess the abs part is up to me then. still havn't desided. but i basicly just want the damn ugly thing out of the engine bay. maybe since i took out the whole ac system i'll mount it under the dash to conseal it. might be a bitch if anything happens to it but hey, it'll be out of sight. and i can always just take the glove box out if i need to get to it. as far as the a/c and the air pump. thos are gone. and what do you guys think of fuel cells. i'm thinking of mounting it in the hatch. cutting it out so it's a little higher and get rid of that ugly gas tank. i know that some of you will have a field day with that. And i'm also going to be making gauge clusters made out of autometer gauges and going to try and find some connectors so they can just be pluged in and don't have to do any wiring.
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