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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 02:31 PM
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Question Clutch Release Collar, Wedge Collar position

I put my engine in and tried to bleed my rebuilt clutch but I heard a pop sound and very little fluid came out each time we bled it. The pedal would go almost all the way to the floor before there was pressure. I think the pop was the piston popping out of the clutch slave cylinder because the pushrod was overextended. I read the archives on this but couldn't find a pic - only some broken links to videos. Here are a couple pics showing the position of everything. Can someone tell me if I am missing something or if the wedge collar is out of position, causing the pushrod to overextend?
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 06:48 PM
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It doesnt look like there is a problem with the Clutch system (Master/Slave) But the coupler is pulling out of the pressure plate evertime to press the pedal in, this is the poping noise you are hearing.

I am not sure of a easy fix without removing the Engine or Trans.

But that is your problem.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 06:54 PM
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Ring wire retainer has not engaged or is broken. Transmission has to be removed if broken. Try pushing the collar on inward to see if it snaps into place


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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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Hey thats my old car. Looks fine from the first pic but I can't see the wedge collar very well. Looks like its not grabbing the throwout bearing. Often it gets damaged or bent on careless removal. Try pushing it into the pressure plate through the access cover on the bottom of the trans. Then take a prybar and move the clutch fork so it engaged. If it doesn't grab or pops off again you will have to drop the trans and replace the collar.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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Thanks everyone. When I moved the clutch release collar forward it clipped into the wire ring. However when it moved back, the wire ring pulled out of the clutch cover a little bit. Is that normal, or is the ring worn out? If it is worn out, is it OK to run like that, or will I tear something up?
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 03:45 AM
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Thanks everyone. When I moved the clutch release collar forward it clipped into the wire ring. However when it moved back, the wire ring pulled out of the clutch cover a little bit. Is that normal, or is the ring worn out? If it is worn out, is it OK to run like that, or will I tear something up?
Yeah that doesn't look like it's engaged properly (wedge collar). I recommend you get a new wedge collar and wire ring - I never had success when reusing them and you don't want the clutch to get stuck engaged some day when you're out driving.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 09:57 AM
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Coneklr,

The last pic you posted looks correct. The wedge collar should pull out like that. It looks to be evenly pulled out all the way around too, so that looks good. A lot of times the wire ring (not able to see) will be a culprit.

Do a search on clutch replacement and I hope you will find the youtube video on how the clutch works. I don't remember who posted it, but it was really informative. It was really good to see how things were supposed to operate...
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Ha! I actually searched YouTube. But it was on google video. For reference:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...58290919&hl=en
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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 09:16 AM
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Awesome video. This should help alot of people.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by coneklr
Ha! I actually searched YouTube. But it was on google video. For reference:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...58290919&hl=en
i have been trying to do this and for about an hour trying to get this collar to budge. what am i doing wrong?
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 07:30 PM
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i have been trying to do this and for about an hour trying to get this collar to budge. what am i doing wrong?
Get a longer flat head screw driver that you can generate more leverage with. There is no magic trick to disengaging it. Shine a light into the maintinence hole so you can see the wedge collar, place the tip of the flat head on the wedge collar so it lays flush and then simply use the transmission as your focal point and push the wedge collar TOWARDS the cluch disk, do not try to pry it out.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Davin
i have been trying to do this and for about an hour trying to get this collar to budge. what am i doing wrong?
Davin,

I'm hurt you didn't call or text me

Why are you monkeyin' around with it anyway?

Push the wedge collar flush with the pressure plate. Long handled flatblade screwdriver, insert it in between the T/O bearing and the wedge collar. Twist said screwdriver 90 degrees with your manly arm. Pop! Done.
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