FstFD3SPOWER

Few days ago, I started to having hard time starting my car. I parked the car for 2-3 days and now I just cant start my car. I thought it was dead battery... jumped it but car didn't start..

Engine turns fine. however car is not running... I do smell fuel while im crank the car and I did check for sparrks..

at this point, i just cant fig out wtf is wrong with my car and makes me wanna cry.. lol...

Any helping comments will be great.

thanks

RX7WEEE

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could it be flooded? it happen to me the other day...

FDNewbie

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If the engine cranks, but won't start, you smell fuel, and you checked for spark, i'd say w/ confidence that you flooded the engine when you were trying to start it up again.

Simplest way to start it up again:
1) Change your park plugs (leading ones are the most important), since you probably fouled them while trying to start it. See this thread for more info:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ght=spark+plug

2) Once you change the plugs, don't start the car yet. There's a nipple on the UIM on the passenger side of it, which is usually where ppl connect their boost gauge to. Grab a can of WD-40 (you know, the universal spray), and using the straw it comes w/, spray into the nipple for a good 4 seconds.

3) Now, go and press the gas pedal all the way to the floor, and while it's pressed down, try cranking it. It should begin to catch every now and then, but will probably take 2 or 3 tries until it catches. When it does finally catch and start, let it "idle" for a while (it'll run rough, and you'll get lots of blue smoke), and after a few min (5 min or so) take the car out and run it hard.

Good luck

obviousboy

ok mine was flooded all day..do this

take plugs out....
take Fue Relay out...
Crank car....foot to the floor..
white funk will come out the spark plug holes..do this for 15-20 seconds
stop have a beer or somethingg (wait 10 minute)
Repeat.....
Clean your plugs..good with carb cleaner or alcohol or anything...
Repeat the cranking method...
Keep doing the cranking method until all **** stops coming out...Wait 10 minutes and do it again...
put back in spark plugs...
hook up spark plug wires
put back in Fuse Relay
and start car as normal.....

The trick here is be patient...i rushed this yesterday and it didnt work

FDNewbie

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obviousboy, your method works, and that's the method I specifically did NOT recommend to him for a simple reason: If he's not familiar w/ this, and he's alone, that's a very very unsafe way to do it.

Sparks flying all over your engine bay while you're inside the car trying to crank it is just not smart. You can't see if something goes horribly wrong, like something starts to melt or catch fire. Besides...if you're by yourself, and the hood's popped, you can't see jack, so you don't know when it's stopped spewing fuel.

The WD-40 way works just as well, is much simpler, and is faster. It's also much safer if you're doing this by yourself. The WD-40 acts as a detergent and breaks down the fuel, so no sparks to worry about =)

obviousboy

well my car was flooded bad...and every other trick didnt work....

its proven and its easy...if you know not to stick a fork in a toaster...this shouldnt be much harder

FDNewbie

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LOL!! Fork in the toaster...hehe

You tried WD-40 in the UIM nipple, and it didn't work?? (was this on fresh plugs??) I have yet to hear of someone who's used WD-40 (or ATF, but that's harder to do, since they don't sell it as a spray), and hasn't unflooded an engine w/ it.

EDIT: I'm not saying the way you mentioned doesn't work...I know for a fact it works. It was recommended to me by PFS, and I used it to start my car before. I just found the way I wrote to be simpler and safer when you're alone...

FstFD3SPOWER

i will go ahead and try that. thank you guys.

one question.. what is the point of spraying WD40? same effect as starting spray??

thanks again.

FDNewbie

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NOOOOOOO! Do NOT EVER use starter fluid. You see, when your engine is flooded, what is it flooded w/? Too much GAS. Starter fluid is gas as well. You'd only be adding to the problem, and I promise you it won't help lol.

WD-40, just like ATF, has a detergent-like action on the fuel, breaking it down, so it "unfloods" the huge amount of fuel you have in the engine. As you turn, it mixes, breaks down more, until enough is broken down, and boom, the engine will catch.

obviousboy

Wd40..Tried
ATF...Tried
Starter fluid...Tried
Atf in the both rotor champers via the spark plugs holes..Tried
Same thing with 2 stroke oil..Tried

If your car is flooded bad....you need to get rid of the stuff in there first...every other method is only really for a somewhat flooded motor..

FDNewbie

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Wow...she must have been flooded REAL bad. How did it flood so bad??

obviousboy

I dont know
but damn it was loaded with fuel

FstFD3SPOWER

used it lil bit cuz i was so fed up.. didn't even think about floodin... I thought 3rd gen never had problem with flooding.... heard rx8 owners had problems...

neway... hehe.. thanks alot guys.. i will try it asap.

FDNewbie

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yea FDs weren't SUPPOSED to have flooding problems, but then again, does anything surprise you when it comes to your beloved FDs?

FstFD3SPOWER

haha.. u r damn right on that one....

i still love this car.. haha

J.S.J

You can always pull your leading coil wires out a bit from the coil to make the spark jump a larger gap. This creates a larger current flow to the plugs and sometimes will get the engine started. Sorry just remembered, my coils are relocated and the stock ones are invisible.

FstFD3SPOWER

well. not much of gas came out when i cranked it.
Sparkplugs looked like **** when i pulled it out..

After I put new plugs, I tried to start the car again but car didn't start.. It almost start though. car idled around 400-500 rpm then it shuts off as soon as I stopped turning my key.

i need some advice / help guys.. I cant let this car sittin on parking lot for 1-2 months. :-( I WANNA DRIVE.. damn it.

Imma take TB off and check my coils... maybe thats my problem... if not, i donno.. I'll just have to take my car to a good rotary shop.

1QWIK7

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ok guys, im having a similar problem, only thing is that my car is not flooded.. YET!! LOL

anyway, today, i go and start the car and it wont start cause the battery is dead (i knew that, i need to get another one) so i get the charger and charge it. it starts fine, i go to work. not a problem, i disconnected the neg just to be safe and go to work. after work, i plug it back and it started no prob at all.. i get home, turned off the car and left the fans running for about 3 min, then i thought i should wash the car, i started it again, no prob and backed into my driveway. i then turned off the car again and left the fans run, this time for about 10-12 min while washing it. during the wash, i go inside and shut the fans off but left the key too acc. ok blah blah blah, im done washing it, about 25-30 min past and i get inside the car to move it into my usual spot in my driveway and the car wont start. it doesnt even turn over. i told my bro to look at the belts while i try to start and he said the belts move and my fans turn on while i try to crank (my fans were manually turned off but still came on when i tried to start).. the car wont turn, it doesnt even make a sound that an engine makes when trying to be started..

my first thought right away, was the starter.. it had to be but then what was that sound when i was turning it, maybe the belts? i got scared a bit cause i remember the vid of the fc engine being blown the sound it was making and it was similar to it, well not really cause the engine gave me NO PROBLEMS AT ALL, no smoke, no hesistation, absolutely nothing, kinda like an angel watching the engine for me lol..

so then i thought, maybe i have to let the starter motor cool down?

what do you guys think? its most likely the starter right? maybe in the attempt of starting it, what should i watch out for? flooding? blowing a certain fuse?

i doubt so much its engine related cause its been rebuilt recently, maybe 8 months ago and this engine gave me no problems at all, no smoke, boosted well, i cooled it properly after each use, had a recent oil change. never overheated.. always looked over..

what can it be? help please.. thanks

1QWIK7

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ok guys, i found the problem

i let the car cooled down for a good while and went back outside, i tried it one more time only it did try to turn over.. i then thought whoa, its not the starter.. i grabbed my dmm and checked volts to the battery. it was reading low 11s.. im like yayyyyy!! i need to charge the battery, thats all.. i got my charger and plugged it in and bam! it started...i checked volts to the battery again and it read low 13s.. then i thought damn, my alternator is shot.

i guess all those times of me having the fans on to cool the car down 10 min each trip for about 3 months put strain on the alt for having it for work extra hard to charge that battery.. i need a new method.. but o well, fall is coming soon and i wont need to do this that much anymore..

thanks for your replies..wait, you guys didnt reply... lol o well, thanks anyway..

RX 4 Speed

How do FD's get flooded anyways? I've never had the problem, but want to know how it happens so I can avoid doing it...

rx7jake

alright the foot to the floor method works. taking out the relay fuse or simply marking and removing the plugwires kills the spark so its safe but it can get messy so have some rags. also if you dssagree i have heard to use a little automatic trans. fluid in the sparkplug holes to help fire her up.

RotorJoe

When I had issues with mine it turned out the the boost sensor was going wack. It was telling the ECU that I was at full boost all the time. As soon as the car started it just flooded itself back out. I went through all the deflooding tricks and none worked. Although after I found that the sensor was acting up, i replaced it. Then I went trhough the de-flooding procedure except with out WD-40 or ATF and the car fired right up.

Moral is if it does start after the two or three trys look towards your sensors. I would check boost sensor first then after that it is up to you.

P.S. I never had a flooding problem before or after that. The FD does pretty well at not flooding. I even done stupid ****, like starting the car pulling it into the garage and shuting it down. Starts a little rough the next morning but it started. First and Second gens are another story.

vinayp

This worked like a charm! Last time I flooded my engine, I spent almost an hour taking out the spark plugs, funneling in ATF and replacing a battery that had died from cranking so much. Using the WD40 in the nipple method, it took me all of two minutes. Thanks FDNewbie...

The only thing is there was a burning smell and some white smoke coming out of my engine after it started. It seemed to be coming from around the downpipe. Is it just the WD40 burning off or something more serious? I turned off the car as soon as I started seeing the smoke. I checked the coolant and oil pressure, and it was all fine. The temp guage hadn't even gotten past the cold mark yet.

Should I start it up again and let it run some more?

FDNewbie

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NP...glad it helped! Sometimes cranking w/ the EGI fuse out 15 X 3 then spraying WD-40 works. Much simpler than taking out the plugs. But the downside is, the plugs may be fowled, and may require changing anyways.

I don't recall smoke from the engine, but I get a LOT of smoke out of the exhaust for a min or two as it empties out all that excess gas... I think you need more advanced help than this Newbie can give

Mycalifoniacrme

ay man
white stuff u mean...white formy thick **** rite?
caz my car dont start either!!
im pissed :-(
help me man
thanxz
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