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Old 03-20-14, 11:47 AM
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Alright so for the last couple of years I've been Using a funnel and rag my friend does not use any such thing just pours it in from the bottle and lets it go in through the 2 small openings in the filler apart form the filler getting a bit messy which i fixed by washing down with gas hah , nothing wrong with doing it this way is there?

the bottle has a short neck so its not long enough to push the cap down basically just going in through the breather holes
Old 03-20-14, 12:08 PM
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I use a mobil one gear oil bottle. Squirt in some and put the little cap thing on, then tuck it behind the seat with wash cloth. I still have the OMP so I only put in about 4 to 8 OZ's, I just want her to know I care
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Originally Posted by Tem120
Alright so for the last couple of years I've been Using a funnel and rag my friend does not use any such thing just pours it in from the bottle and lets it go in through the 2 small openings in the filler apart form the filler getting a bit messy which i fixed by washing down with gas hah , nothing wrong with doing it this way is there?

the bottle has a short neck so its not long enough to push the cap down basically just going in through the breather holes
Nothing wrong with this way, been doing it for years. A funnel or long neck bottle is 100% unnecessary on an FD. You do not need to push that little flapper in, the oil makes it in just fine and doesn't make any sort of mess.
Old 03-21-14, 06:07 AM
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I removed the flapper; I can pour at full speed. I haven't noticed any negative effects.
Old 03-21-14, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by elwood
I removed the flapper; I can pour at full speed. I haven't noticed any negative effects.
Hmmm that would simplify things!
Old 03-21-14, 01:08 PM
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I re-use a small fuel additives bottle for premix that has a long neck to push the flapper open.

The added benefit is no measuring and less mess compared to other methods I used in the past.
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I removed the flapper; I can pour at full speed. I haven't noticed any negative effects.

I get a lot of fuel smell from gas sloshing into the fill pipe area when I race. I fear removing the flapper would exacerbate this in a cornering performance situation.
Old 03-21-14, 02:20 PM
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I have a $3 long neck funnel and clean it each time but running gas through it.
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Originally Posted by BLUE TII
I get a lot of fuel smell from gas sloshing into the fill pipe area when I race. I fear removing the flapper would exacerbate this in a cornering performance situation.

That's possible, but I will say this, all the JDM FD's I've seen around my area, I have yet to see one with the flapper in it.. Not sure if they all got removed, or never came with them in the first place


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I use this:

Pour right amount of oil in, after use I tuck a bit of paper inside so it doesn't drip.
Old 03-21-14, 05:46 PM
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Is Karissa doing it right?

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I use Protek-R.
I use squeeze bottles.
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Originally Posted by BLUE TII
I removed the flapper; I can pour at full speed. I haven't noticed any negative effects.

I get a lot of fuel smell from gas sloshing into the fill pipe area when I race. I fear removing the flapper would exacerbate this in a cornering performance situation.
Gas sloshing into the fill area shouldn't cause any leaks or smell. A good functioning cap will withstand the slosh, and your vent system isn't connected to the filler neck -- it functions through plastic fittings in the top of the fuel tank.

The purpose of the restrictor and flapper goes back to the transition from leaded to unleaded fuel. To prevent people from putting leaded fuel in newer cars, the OEMs added that restrictor which only allows the smaller unleaded nozzle to fit all the way. Somebody decided that wouldn't be enough to keep some determined customers from putting in leaded fuel anyway, so they added the flapper to kick fuel back out of the tube if the pump nozzle doesn't fit all the way inside the restrictor.

If you check modern cars, there's typically no flap., with a smaller dia tube. Where I live, there aren't any regular pumps anymore, so there isn't much fear of mixing them up.
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I use a traxxas 3.3 Jato 500cc Fuel Bottle for one of those R/C cars. Holds my idemitsu premix with no issues and pours without any mess into the gas tank. Of course since I still have my OMP, I only mix half an ounce per gallon, but there are 650 cc (22 oz) nitro fuel bottles if you google around.
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That's actually a pretty good idea.
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I'm new to my OMP-free RX-7 ... so new that I haven't filled it up with gas yet. I already have two 5 gallon gas cans to have at the track, but I'm thinking out the best way to fill the car up at the gas station.

I bought one of these, the "Hopkins FloTool Spill Saver Measu-Funnel":



Here's what I was thinking:

1) Fill up with gas till the pump stops.
2) Check how many gallons went in
3) Using the FloTool (above), add in 1oz per gallon that went in.
4) Top off with gas to wash down the oil.
5) Go drive fast

Does this sound like a reasonable plan?
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careful with the 4) Top off with gas to wash down the oil. part I accidentallty sprayed myself with gas doing that . I'm a bit paranoid so I always go a bit over 1:1 maybe something like 1.2 :1 to account for anyoil that didn't make its way to the gas tank .
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Originally Posted by Tem120
careful with the 4) Top off with gas to wash down the oil. part I accidentallty sprayed myself with gas doing that . I'm a bit paranoid so I always go a bit over 1:1 maybe something like 1.2 :1 to account for anyoil that didn't make its way to the gas tank .
Yup, warning taken. One quick squeeze should do it.

I just don't trust the gas gauge in the car enough. The pump tells you exactly how much you put in so you know exactly how much oil to add.
Old 05-07-14, 01:23 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that you should put the premix in and at use the gas to mix the premix as it goes in.
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Originally Posted by jasonn
I remember reading somewhere that you should put the premix in and at use the gas to mix the premix as it goes in.
You mean put the oil in first? Problem is you have to guess how much you'll need.
Old 05-07-14, 02:48 PM
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You're not mixing nitro. Based on their gas gauge reading, most owners can probably guess how many gallons it'll take and add the amount of two-cycle oil accordingly. If you're nervous, err on the side of a little too much.
Honestly, since two-cycle is designed to mix with gas it probably doesn't matter much if it's put in before or after filling up. A couple of corners with a stop or two and it's likely going to be mixed fine.
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Originally Posted by Sgtblue
You're not mixing nitro. Based on their gas gauge reading, most owners can probably guess how many gallons it'll take and add the amount of two-cycle oil accordingly. If you're nervous, err on the side of a little too much.
Honestly, since two-cycle is designed to mix with gas it probably doesn't matter much if it's put in before or after filling up. A couple of corners with a stop or two and it's likely going to be mixed fine.
This isn't rocket surgery!

I suppose you could take a guess using the gas gauge and put in the oil first. If you end up taking on more fuel then you expected, dump a couple extra ounces in at the end, right?
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this is kind of a fun thread as there are as many ways to get it done as there are do-ers.

i have a bunch of 4 oz plastic bottles from the ZDDP+ i use. i fill them and they go in a sock. on the street where i am typically adding around 16 gallons of gas i just use two of the bottles.

no syringe

just open lid, tilt upside down and gravity works its wonder. the sock works nicely in absorbing any left over oil on the bottles and makes for great optics at the gas station.

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