Ryan Schleck I think had an oil cooler line separates on him but it didn't ruin a motor.

To prevent the clip from falling out of the cooler liners, I used a zip tie that surrounds the clip completely so there is no way the clip will back out.

Getting back to the thread, as a business person, Rob should be on top of your engine investigation w/in a few days and resolves the issue. Either pay up or shut up, don't keep the customer hanging. Even if it's not his fault, the longer it goes on, the worse it will look on his part.

I mean look at Malloy, Rikki goes out and screw around with boost with that purple coolaid box and blows a motor. Guess what? Malloy got him another motor even though the fault is clearly on the part of Rikki. Now that's customer service.

WS6 plays around with a midpipe and cracked an apex seal. Guess what? He got another motor.

Malloy went above and beyond what they were obligated to do because they know that the hassle of pulling a motor and putting one back in the second time will cause people to think twice about turning up the boost or doing something really negligent. So they absorb a few losses here and there but overall, more people are buying the motor b/c of the good will and customer service created. And no advertising to boot. That was my assesment of whether to buy from Ray or Rob, and granted, I wasn't looking for a porting job or any fancy oil mods.

There is a reason why Malloy sells like hundreds of motors every year.

 

i'm running -10 braid all the way around my oil coolers

and those things don't just "fail"

i'm being patient with rob, i know he's doing his best and i'm sure it will work out- i'm keeping myself busy while i'm doing all this

glossing the engine bay, powder coating the tranny, etc

 

 

Ryan Schleghack did have a oil cooler line separate. He drove a couple of miles with no oil.

His engine did give up the ghost after that. I do believe that it seized.

Not to take away from Malloy's customer service, but the fact that Malloy does have great pricing on reman's may explain some of their sales.

 

and i'm clearly in the market for more than a reman...i want a face behind the motor, and a reputation as well

 

93BlackFD,

This is slightly off topic.. Last few times I was in ATL, I wanted to meet you so that i could get some info about your Oil Cooler line info..

If you don't mind, can you shoot me a PM with some info..

Thanks!.

Also, I cant imagine its anything to do with your oil cooler or oil lines.. You would definitely see evident of oil.. And usually its pretty messy.. Good luck!

PHIL

 

What did Rob have to say about Steve's comments concerning out of balance parts? I know you said Joel reportedly weighed the parts. Did you rule out the flywheel yet?

What was your oil pressure running? Oil temp, if you have that gauge?

Keep on Rob to get this resolved. Its gets hard to contact him once you get in this situation. His e-mail fails and phone messages are useless. Flying out there was a good move on your part.

Jack

 

"i was driving down the road, off boost, 4th gear engine braking and loss of power, i pull over, inspect, no crank, put in 4th gear and push the car to make sure the motor isn't seized, it isn't...won't crank, find a main fuse blown"

BTW, what you just described is the EXACT same thing that happened to my 1st engine (went @ 60k) from lack of OIL to the front rotor. The exact same situation, slowing down in 4th, engine braking, all of a sudden accessory lights turn on, car is dead.

Pull over, start cranking, give it more gas while it's building up, get it run above 1500 rpm and then drove it home and parked it in my garage. Engine was dead.

When Paul at Rotorsport pulled it he noted how the front rotor had severe oil starvation which caused the failure and the ensuing destruction.

 

My bad: I have grits for memory, I didn't know Ryan personally so I just remembered the fix he posted on the internet six or seven years ago. Assumed that the motor was fine, which I'm wrong.

Regarding Malloy, pricing is what $300-400 lower than other Mazda dealer but he backs it up with new rotor/housings and if by chance Mazda slipped a bad part, he'll take the motor back.

 

What was the cause for the severe oil starvation?

Did you do anything to prevent something like this from happening again?

In this case, black 93FD supposedly had the oil mods so this should not have happened.

Not to get to riled up, but I just put a motor in so I fully sympathize with this situation.

 

he said that it's very unlikely that the flywheel would cause all of this to be the problem, he said i would have noticed a vibration moreso than anything else

but my rebuttal is that i wouldn't really recognize an abnormal vibration because i did so many things at once (torque brace, urethane mounts)

but regardless, i don't think that theory satisfies him, and he has been playing phone tag with racing baet

 

Think there continues to be confusion about Malloy. They are a Mazda dealer like all the rest, they just sell at a lower price. They don't reman engines. They come from Mazda like all the other dealers. I doubt that the Malloy dealership eats the cost of 'bad' remans. More likely that he returns them to Mazda using the 12k/12mo. warrenty. Mazda actually is eating the cost. Since Malloy buys so many engines, Mazda probably doesn't give them too hard a time for returning a few.

 

so malloy mazda only sell remans? how much for a reman and labor for pulling out old engine and putting in the new one?

 

"Playing phone tag with Racing Beat"? Not to shed any more bad light on this situation, but I've never had any problems getting hold of anyone at RB...

 

YES. Don't know but you can call their service department http://www.malloyautomall.com/f_index.html?noc=1#

 

crap, double post

YES and No. Yes, they only sell complete reman engines. No, that's not all they sell. Their Mazda parts dept. can get you most anything else New.

Don't know installation costs. That would be their service department, not parts. You can call their service department http://www.malloyautomall.com/f_index.html?noc=1#

 

Installation at Malloy. I spoke to Ray and he said they can do it but they are not eager to do it.

I spoke to the guys at PBC in Chantilly and they have a Mazda Expert Mechanic who will do it on an appointment basis but the day to day mechanics are very reluctant to do an engine change. Too many things to go wrong.

 

damnit, eek3.net is gone...I wanna see these pics!

93BlackFD, would you email them to me? I could even host em for you if you want.

Thanks!
bradlymjensen@hotmail.com

 

You guys should check out FC3S.org's rebuilds. They built Loi Song's motor from sportcarmotion.com (October issue of import tuner) and it puts down over 450rwhp at 1 bar of boost on 91 octane pump gas. They have turned out quite a few high quality motors. They are not nearly as swamped as some of the other popular builders, so they can probably focus on one persons at a time. I had mine built there, and I couldn't be happier. 13BT, fully worked over.

 

You can always to go Rotary Performance in Manassas www.rp-performance.com or PFS www.pfsupercars.com or talk to someone in the Mazda Sports Car Club of Washington DC http://www.rinaca.com/mscw/index.html

 

called rob yesterday, he hasn't heard anything new from some of his friends he's asked opinions from...so no updates, maybe i'll hear from him today

 

I don't understand who he needs opinions from, he's an experienced rotary engine builder, he should already know the reason the motor went without having to get outside opinions, or advice.

 

okay, so i didn't have time to talk on the phone today...class, school, resposibilities, and i was told rob would be free today, so my dad said he'd just call and see what the scoop was

i'll just say the conversation ended with my dad telling him he had 10days to do something and rob wants an oil sample from me

why do bad things happen to good people? i just want my car back, i paid $5000 for the "best" motor with a 5yr warranty....and now the verdict is....

"when the motor was first lit off (mind you, 3 months ago) it didn't have enough oil in it so initial damage was incurred.....not the engine builder's fault"

i was on the phone with rob when i started it, we went over cranking procedures (ie., pour oil down the oil filter pedastal to prelube the runners, crank it over with no spark/fuel to pressurize the oil system, etc, i guess he forgot about that....i didn't remind him yet

 

Letting the oil level run too low, consistently.

 

I wrote this on page 1...



3) Extended warranties are BS. If the engine was build correctly it will stay together. Notice the discalimer. They have to INSPECT the engine and will determine if it was a fault of theirs, guess what they will find ...? you overboosted, ran out of oil, overheated the engine etc. (Which is probably the case). It's an easy way to make money.

BTW: The last paragraph you wrote is BS as well. When the engine is reassembled it is reassemled with oil and vasoline. (LOTS !) When you start the engine it isn't dry, it's full of oil, that's why it smokes for a while. It has plenty of oil in it to keep ALL the surfaces lubricated until full oil pressure is reached. What Pineapple suggests is just a good idea.

BTW: How much did that 5 year warranty cost you?