3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

99spec 4-channel ABS?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-11-06, 08:10 PM
  #1  
Sponsor
RX7Club Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
FDNewbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 13,216
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
99spec 4-channel ABS?

Anyone know anything about it? Advantage of a 4-channel (vs. our 3-channel) unit? Anyone switch over (which I'm guessing would require the pump, lines, and computer)?

~Ramy
Old 06-11-06, 09:09 PM
  #2  
Wankler

 
DaiOni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Kobe, Japan
Posts: 1,565
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I priced out some of the hardware for a customer - very, very expensive. Almost never comes up on yahoo either.
Old 06-11-06, 09:14 PM
  #3  
Sponsor
RX7Club Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
FDNewbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 13,216
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Yea I've found the ABS pump/unit a few times, but no ECU or lines. Wanna know if it's worthwhile or not...
Old 06-11-06, 09:41 PM
  #4  
SideWayZ The Only Way

iTrader: (11)
 
FD3S2005's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Davie, Florida
Posts: 4,854
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
umm what i dont understand whats 3 channel n 4 abs? i know abs is for the wheels
Old 06-11-06, 10:47 PM
  #5  
Senior Member

 
xthephilx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Rockville MD
Posts: 524
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
4 channel abs has a separate channel for each rear wheel. Currently, the ABS system can only respond to rear wheel lockup under braking by modulating pressure to both rear wheels in unison. With a 4 channel system, it can control each rear wheel independantly, allowing the wheel with traction to maintain braking system pressure and slow the car better.

In other words, 4 channel is better than 3.
Old 06-12-06, 12:07 AM
  #6  
Rob

iTrader: (2)
 
wanklin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,234
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
In order to take advantage of this you would need dedicated feed line to each rear caliper correct? I don't see how this is useful if you are using a T'd brake feed.
Old 06-12-06, 12:28 AM
  #7  
Senior Member

 
xthephilx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Rockville MD
Posts: 524
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes, you'd have to have two lines to the back.

In order to do this, I presume you'd need a new pump (one with 4 outputs), a new abs ecu, and probably a new harness too.

I don't think the gain is enough to justify the cost and pain in the *** to swap over to the 4 channel system.
Old 06-12-06, 04:32 AM
  #8  
-.-

 
speed7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Also the 99spec upgraded ABS is faster and behaves better then the stock ABS. Personally I used to keep mine off as it would kick in under hard braking for a turn. Which was very very bad. I've yet to play with the upgraded version but if you can get your hands on one give it a shot. It may be nice to have.
Old 06-12-06, 08:35 AM
  #9  
Rob

iTrader: (2)
 
wanklin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,234
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by xthephilx
Yes, you'd have to have two lines to the back.

In order to do this, I presume you'd need a new pump (one with 4 outputs), a new abs ecu, and probably a new harness too.

I don't think the gain is enough to justify the cost and pain in the *** to swap over to the 4 channel system.
You would need to purchase a whole 4-channel pullout. Anyone have a guestimate as to the market value of a slightly used 4chnl abs system?
Old 06-12-06, 04:22 PM
  #10  
Full Member

 
mute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: pakistan
Posts: 105
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
so this means if i have 99 fd i have 4 channel abs thing
Old 06-12-06, 07:43 PM
  #11  
Sponsor
RX7Club Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
FDNewbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 13,216
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Yes. Look on your ABS unit. If there are four lines on it (vs. the pre-99 ones that only have 3 lines coming off of it) then yours is a 4-channel unit

~Ramy
Old 06-12-06, 07:55 PM
  #12  
Wankler

 
DaiOni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Kobe, Japan
Posts: 1,565
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ABS and braking hardware is different in 98-00 (version V) and different again in 00-02 (version VI). The last version is (obviously) the best - 16bit ecu and electronic brake distribution.
Old 06-18-06, 11:05 PM
  #13  
Rob

iTrader: (2)
 
wanklin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,234
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by DaiOni
ABS and braking hardware is different in 98-00 (version V) and different again in 00-02 (version VI). The last version is (obviously) the best - 16bit ecu and electronic brake distribution.
Any guesses on pricing?
Old 06-18-06, 11:28 PM
  #14  
Zoom, Zoom...Redifined

 
canadaisintexas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: NC
Posts: 347
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
PM Jimlab, iirc he has the 4 channel in his car
Old 06-19-06, 02:50 AM
  #15  
Wankler

 
DaiOni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Kobe, Japan
Posts: 1,565
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
the pump alone was about US$800 (I'll dig out the exact price if your really interested, PM me). I haven't priced the rest of it because I simply don't know exactly what bits and pieces are required to get it all up and running.
Old 06-19-06, 09:56 AM
  #16  
Senior Member

 
FLA94FD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Clearwater, FL
Posts: 364
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Couldn't you just pull one off of another make say a vette which are plentiful?
Old 06-19-06, 09:26 PM
  #17  
Sponsor
RX7Club Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
FDNewbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 13,216
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
DaiOni, would you mind getting the prices on the lines and the computer? Cuz the pumps do pop up used every now and then... it's the other parts that I can't find.

canadaisintexas, would ya mind askin Jimlab about it? Him and I aren't exactly on speaking terms, so he wouldn't reply if I asked him

Thanks
~Ramy
Old 06-19-06, 10:04 PM
  #18  
Wankler

 
DaiOni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Kobe, Japan
Posts: 1,565
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
if you can identify all the bits needed (inc numbers) - I'll do the pricing.
Old 06-19-06, 10:09 PM
  #19  
Sponsor
RX7Club Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
FDNewbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 13,216
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
If you can provide a 99spec+ full parts catalogue, I'll provide the part numbers
Old 06-19-06, 10:22 PM
  #20  
Wankler

 
DaiOni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Kobe, Japan
Posts: 1,565
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
put it this way, identify what you can from 13bpower, and I'll see what I can do about the rest.
Old 06-19-06, 10:25 PM
  #21  
Sponsor
RX7Club Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
FDNewbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 13,216
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
LOL. God.... one of these days I'm gonna manage to get ahold of that catalogue. You'll see
Old 06-19-06, 10:32 PM
  #22  
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary

iTrader: (71)
 
turb0x2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 4,230
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
LOL. God.... one of these days I'm gonna manage to get ahold of that catalogue. You'll see

its not worth the time/$$$... spend it elsewhere my friend
Old 06-19-06, 10:36 PM
  #23  
Sponsor
RX7Club Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
FDNewbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 13,216
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
To each his own
Old 06-19-06, 10:40 PM
  #24  
Rotary Enthusiast

 
quicksilver_rx7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 1,336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
LOL. God.... one of these days I'm gonna manage to get ahold of that catalogue. You'll see
Why do you think I haven't bought another RX-7 yet. I wish you would hurry the hell up!
Old 06-19-06, 10:43 PM
  #25  
Sponsor
RX7Club Vendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
 
FDNewbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 13,216
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
I'm workin on it... EVERYTHING'S possible. It's only a matter of time & patience...


Quick Reply: 99spec 4-channel ABS?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:09 AM.