180lbs of motor shouldn't make the car cost an extra $20,000. 1992 people had money. I've made good money until 2009. The job I have now isn't even in my field.

I think mazda should go back to basics like th BRZ or the first gen rx7. The BRZ being the simple car of Today. It will evolve into a giant slaying race car. Mazda first needs a chassi. Then they need to offer options so everyone can afford one.

 

That's the point I made by stating that mazda would have an extra 25K to play with. But there is a lot more to it than motor type of course. Emissions, engine management, brakes, cooling, ect.

I'm sorry to hear that. Truly I am, but you must understand that not everyone is the same boat as you. Otherwise no car maker would be manufacturing cars that are $50K+

one word: yuck!



Besides isn't that what the miata is for?

 

3 plugs sounds dangerous. A lot of the rotary engine failures I see appear to be caused by trailing misfire. I would like to see a simple 1 plug per rotor system. There is a reason I use a multi spark discharge on leading and no trailing at all. The msd seems to compensate for the trailing. Ill post my next inspection report.
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Are all FD owners arrogant?
I can afford a fd but can't justifie the expense. That's why I don't own one and that's why I would not buy a $50,000 rx7 if I could afford it.

I don't even think a $100,000 GTR could last long the way I drive but my FC is so easy to fix.

U all want mazda to build a rotary powered M3. I would rather go buy a real M3

 

I think you are seeing it through biased eyes. It is nothing to do with arrogance. If you honestly believe the FC and FD are comparable in stock trim, lightly modified or heavily built you are biased. The FD was a statement from Mazda and its platform is still very competitive today. It was around $35k in the early 90s. It dominated an e36m3 in every aspect, I would expect Mazda to do the same today if they chose to manufacture a true 2seat sports car.

 

The BRZ isn't going to slay anything even if you drop a LS7 into it you'd invest more than a C6 Z cost trying to make it a FAST car. It's a little toy car that I will never take seriously and that's the last thing Mazda should build they have a toy car and it's called a Miata. Mazda shouldn't go backward they should go well beyond the already expansive capabilities of the FD or not build another RX7 or it will be a disappointment.

The only thing the FC has in common with the FD is the rotary engine the FC isn't on the same playing field and if you actually competitively drove your FC you'd have a much better understanding of your cars limitations.

In 14 years of tracking and autocrossing various cars I've NEVER seen a FAST FC. Sorry but that FC doesn't exist even the one that's in your garage. FD owners aren't arrogant they are simply driving a superior car by a long shot just like the C6 Z today is a superior car to the FD by a long shot the proof as they say is in the pudding.

Now with all that said certainly if you spend enough money anything can become fast but you reach a point where it's not worth it and both the FC and the BRZ reached that point when they left the show room. Neither are cars worth investing in to be GIANT killers they are baby honda killers and nothing more and the crazy thing is a 2013 v6 honda accord would probably kill either one bone stock with good pads and tires at a local autocross.

I keep repeating that I want something better than the FD and you keep repeating that you want something similar to the BRZ well go out and get the damn BRZ then..........CHRIST!!!!!

AGAIN I want something that's heads and heals above the FD that's close to as fast as my modded FD when it leaves the showroom or similar to current C6/7 Zs, GT3s and GTR #s otherwise I'm not interested and Mazda is simply treading water and the car will FAIL. As mentioned the car you want exist now so go buy it. The car i want doesn't exist at all. I want a 2800 or less high performance sports car. And don't give me that lotus load of BS it's another toy (short slow chassis) so don't even go there. I know some one will come on here and post about how FAST they are but sorry not in my neck of the woods and I was just on a track with a heavily modded cup lotus that was approx 3 seconds slower than my lightly modded FD so don't give me that $hit. It was runing around 1.37s on VIRs north before the clutch let go and my FD ran a low 1.34 and I have a low powered lightly modded FD. What I'm getting at is the FD is a true giant killer with a completely BADASS chassis that can be made silly fast with basic bolt ons and that's the car I want mazda to build AGAIN!

PS Cost of lotus 100k plus (poor investment). Cost of my FD 20k (Giant killer)

 

Or no plugs! Flux capacitor baby!

I'm sure the engineers have tried that setup and the one plug did not get the results they were looking for.

 

Fritz Flynn

If mazda doesn't go back basics and target the right audeince you will have ur pretty fast rx7 that cost $50k with very little after market support for your track days.
SO YOU WILL LOSE!

start with a light weight low cost ridged chassis.
Offer different engine options. Everyone else does
Don't limit it and make difficult to modify for a track day. It's a sports car
Offer higher end models for those who don't want to deal with performance shops.
Go back to basics and get on the correct path for the perfect rx7. One that's not compromised like the RX8

As for the BRZ. In a few years I'm sure it will evolve into a track superstar. Its deffinatly heading that direction.

The FC was such a good car all they did was make it wider and ad a upper controll arm. Your car is so light years ahead of mine. It takes a race track and a pro driver to bring out the difference between the FC and the FD.

 

Everyone needs to remember when talking about how much the FD was in 1993 then there is something called inflation. 35k then is about 53k now when you adjust for inflation. I believe there will be plenty of people willing to pay 50k for a car that meets Fritz's expectations, and plenty of shops willing to provide aftermarket support.

 

The best place to put a spark plug is also the most dangerous? No wonder rotarys have a bad rep.

I think the rotarys emissions problems are do to its slow rotor speed and odd shape. I think the idea behind the trailing ignition is to burn the fuel at both ends of the combustion chamber accelerating the flame rate burning all the fuel before it gets to the exhaust. The msd seems to also do this well without the need for trailing.

Under boost you want a small spark gap not 2 plugs firing at once which raises the risk of detonation. That is why I don't run any trailing.

 

You are mixing thing a little here. The new Exiges S (V6) w/345 Hp is over 100k and only available in US for off road use only; this iscause it doesn't meet US safety standards.. i.e. does have the extra weightstuff. My heavy Evora S (with full tanks and every option in book) weights 3165lbs but also unfortunately is a model that starts in the mid 90's and can go well over 100k.

 

BMW testing? Mazda already had consumer rotary hydrogen cars on thestreets in California and Tokyo.

 

Turbo cars of that generation would not meet OBDII; it was not a case of putting the system it it was the issue of what info the system collected and stored in memory that killed irt fro turbo applicatiosn.

 

Mazda RX-7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1st educate yourself with some reading next educate yourself with some driving.

It doesn't take a pro driver to notice the differences between an FC and an FD it simply takes a modicum of intelligence which is something that may not be at your disposal.

The BRZ is a LIMITED car. Try adding 100 HP or more like the 200 it needs to even be 1/2 way fast and see how the engine, trans, diff, cooling. brakes, tires, chassis etc.... handle it. You would practically have to rebuild/reinvent the whole car so YES mazda don't limit us give us a car that can compete against the other REAL cars not the toy cars like the BRZ but cars like the Z06, GT3, Viper, GTR, Mustang, Camaro etc.....Yes I listed the mustang and camaro because both are currently becoming big players and I don't want mazda's next Rx7 to get raped by a mustang and or camaro in the 1st mag comparison I want the next RX7 to be the car of the year

There's a reason the plugs are called leading and trailing it's because one fires after the other and they don't fire at the same time. Controlling how fuel is burned is what we call tuning and it's not something you want to limit it's something you want to expand. I've driven several FDs with the anti detonation device and it should be called the limited power and tuning device.

Or we can control it's burn or path in the direction we want it to rotate. As Gordon mentioned adding a 3rd plug just gives you more control of the burn which leads to a more complete more efficient burn which leads to a smoother more powerful running engine.

Rotary Engine Illustrated

 

That's true. But what you failed to consider is a more complete burn will be a hotter burn, because there is more burning occurring and it's occurring quicker. Hence the elevated NOx.

Meh, plus a year or two gap between models?

 

No they shouldn't and it is about power to weight.

STI curb weight 3285 lbs., 305 hp = 10.77

EVO curb weight 3517 lbs., 291 hp = 11.05


Corvette ZR1 curb weight, 3333 lbs,. 638 hp = 5.2

Dodge Viper curb weight, 3200 lbs., 640 hp =5.0

 

The FD in todays dollar would be between $55,000 and $65,000, options and area dependent.

 

And yet put a bend in the road and the zr1 and evo are on par, and the viper is flailing behind. Maybe it's not all about power/weight. Good to see that americans have managed to turn ci's into power though, maybe they'll yet manage to make a car go around corners.

 

WHAT!!!!!

Guys before posting this sort of nonsense please get your evo, STI, BRZ, FB, FC or FD......... whatever you think is some fast great handling car to a local autocross or track and witness with your own eyes just how well new corvettes and vipers etc... can go around corners. Hell I just had a student in a Mustang Boss and that thing is no joke. The new Z28 sounds like a monster as well. The sti and evo won't even be compared to these cars because they aren't even close to performing at their level in any way shape or form.

Or at the very least pick up a magazine the next time you're in a book store and read. I think the ZR1 holds the lap record at the ring for a production car and that's no straight lline track. I've also had the same student twice in a ZR1 and it will rip your face off in corner or a straight line.

Lighting lap results at VIR. Note the dodge challenger was ahead of the BRZ now that's just embarrassing and not something I wish upon the next gen RX7. Note in 2012 and prior lightning lap comparison where the evo and WRX/sti are compared to the Corvette and Viper which illustrates just how far out in left field your comment is about them not going around corners......................didn't even hit the side of the barn with that one.

Lightning Lap 2013: Hot Cars, Hot Track, Hot Laps - - Car and Driver

Lightning Lap 2012 - - Car and Driver

 

What? It's not even close.

As Fritz said look at the lap times for the Viper and ZR1 they are absolute track monsters.

Laguna Seca lap records - FastestLaps.com

Virginia International Raceway lap records - FastestLaps.com

Willow Springs lap records - FastestLaps.com

Notice something here?

 

I vote normally aspirated mid engine 4 rotor for 55k I'd settle for 3-rotor....

I want it to be radical!!

Maybe in the same vein of the Furai but a bit more practical.

 

Really? Because the MKIV Supra TT ran till 1998, and was OBD II in later years.

 

With cars like the new boss and 2014 camaro Z28 coming out priced at 60k and below do we really even care what Mazda does............OF COURSE we want our light weight powerful, sleek, cool, fast, fun car and so do a lot of others SO MAZDA GET OFF YOUR *** AND BUILD THE THING!!!!!.............2017 WTF.......SERIOUSLY!!!

2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 - 2013 New York Auto Show - Motor Trend

2013 Ford Mustang Boss 302 - Specifications, Pictures, Prices

On a more serious note though I'm getting more and more tempted and excited by these FAST, nicely built, inexpensive/affordable american sports cars which are leading the field at this time and that's pretty damn cool. I'm much less enthusiastic with the new Porsche GT3 which will not have a manual trans and cost 130k plus which is insane given the other choices available at this time. It's also a car that's had some issues with the brakes, coolant lines, center lock wheels, clutches etc.....combine that with the auto only and bigger and fatter look and it's like the model has now left a void that some manufacturer cough cough like Mazda could fill. Most of/hell all of the really top high speed high performance cars out there are gadgetry whales (well not the viper but it's a whale non the less) and this is a big opportunity for mazda to step in a find lots of enthusiastic buyers willing to take a chance if the car is worthy.

 

Exactly just like DODGE and their viper Mazda should just go for it but you can tell they are a just dilly dallying about.........their release date says it all

 

you should really spend more time reading before making comments such as those lol