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... I will wait a couple years though to make sure all the bugs are worked out and to find out if a 3 rotor option will be on the cards.
Exact same plan here, except that I have a specific date: no purchase before january the 1st 2021. I want to make sure that Mazda doesn't decide to go crazy and celebrate its 100th anniversary with something really REALLY special before commiting to a purchase
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Originally Posted by YELLOWGSLSE
......,the original trio was really the Rx7, Supra and the Z....not the GTR.
Not in Japan. Godzilla was always on the radar there. I have old videos of stock FDs, R34s, Evolutions, Supras, NSX and other stuff, and even the FD would beat the R34s and Supras and the NSXs most of the time or be in a very close 2nd place.
But times have changed. There is no more "gentleman's agreement." Its a free for all, and if Mazda wants to be serious again then the next RX-7 NEEDs to compete with the new NSX, the comimg Supra, the GTR, obliterate the 370, laugh at the Evos, and more.
It NEEDS to have 400-500hp, and it NEEDS to pull more than a g on the skidpad. Because if it cant beat some cars on a straight then it for sure will beat the boats on some curves.
Not in Japan. Godzilla was always on the radar there. I have old videos of stock FDs, R34s, Evolutions, Supras, NSX and other stuff, and even the FD would beat the R34s and Supras and the NSXs most of the time or be in a very close 2nd place.
But times have changed. There is no more "gentleman's agreement." Its a free for all, and if Mazda wants to be serious again then the next RX-7 NEEDs to compete with the new NSX, the comimg Supra, the GTR, obliterate the 370, laugh at the Evos, and more.
It NEEDS to have 400-500hp, and it NEEDS to pull more than a g on the skidpad. Because if it cant beat some cars on a straight then it for sure will beat the boats on some curves.
When I said "original" I was going back to the original RX-7. Now, you are correct that, by the time the FD came along, the GT-R was on the radar. But, I still wouldn't say that the RX-7 was designed with the GT-R as a target. It just so happened that the cars were competitive, performance -wise. Similar to how the FD could compete favorably with the 993, yet was built with the 968 as a target. I still say the original trio was the 7, Z, and Supra as they were all international offerings, whereas the GT-R was not.
Either way, the Z is still the closest thing to the original competitive inspiration that spawned the RX-7 to begin with. As such, I think it's more reasonable to expect that the car will be more in line with the Z, performance and price-wise, than it will be with the GT-R/NSX, etc. I also don't think it "NEEDS" 400-500 hp. That seems a bit unreasonable, and has never been what the car was all about. It's never been a power monster, nor has it ever needed to be. I don't think that will change. Not to mention the fact that Mazda has ALREADY TOLD US where we should expect the car to land, regarding performance levels...Cayman-ish.
Last edited by YELLOWGSLSE; Nov 25, 2015 at 10:23 AM.
When I said "original" I was going back to the original RX-7. Now, you are correct that, by the time the FD came along, the GT-R was on the radar. But, I still wouldn't say that the RX-7 was designed with the GT-R as a target. It just so happened that the cars were competitive, performance -wise. Similar to how the FD could compete favorably with the 993, yet was built with the 968 as a target. I still say the original trio was the 7, Z, and Supra as they were all international offerings, whereas the GT-R was not.
Well if you want to go back to the original GT-R it was indeed the RX-3 that finally dethroned the "Hakosuka" Skyline GT-R in its dominance in the Japanese Touring Car Championships racing screaming past it on the long 1 mile straight.
They outlawed peripheral porting and Mazda came back with bridge ports that made the same power after 1 season of development. They allowed peripheral ports again with the caveat that they must be available over the counter to consumers.
The Mazda "sports kit" was born in which customers could buy the pieces to assemble a replica of the factory competition engines.
Not in Japan. Godzilla was always on the radar there. I have old videos of stock FDs, R34s, Evolutions, Supras, NSX and other stuff, and even the FD would beat the R34s and Supras and the NSXs most of the time or be in a very close 2nd place.
But times have changed. There is no more "gentleman's agreement." Its a free for all, and if Mazda wants to be serious again then the next RX-7 NEEDs to compete with the new NSX, the comimg Supra, the GTR, obliterate the 370, laugh at the Evos, and more.
It NEEDS to have 400-500hp, and it NEEDS to pull more than a g on the skidpad. Because if it cant beat some cars on a straight then it for sure will beat the boats on some curves.
So you're betting on a car that costs $150,000k+ like those cars?
I imagine it'll be something that performs and is priced to compete with the Camaro SS, Shelby GT350R, Cayman S/GTS, etc.
Regarding the FD's intended competition... there is a picture of a pre-production FD with an NSX during one of the California (Spunky Canyon Road) test drives in 1991 on page 231 of Jack Yamaguchi's RX-7 book (highly recommended if you're interested in the FD's design & development process). It also mentions the shakedown testing at Willow Springs and Nrburgring.
Mazda set their sights fairly high, considering the NSX's price tag at the time.
Lol you almost got me till I read the bottom. My initial impression when I saw the pic was like "what the hell are those electrical connections out back and why did they relocate the oil filter back on top?" The changes they made to the S2 Renesis are step in the bright direction. That must be a really old pic.
Regarding the FD's intended competition... there is a picture of a pre-production FD with an NSX during one of the California (Spunky Canyon Road) test drives in 1991 on page 231 of Jack Yamaguchi's RX-7 book (highly recommended if you're interested in the FD's design & development process). It also mentions the shakedown testing at Willow Springs and Nrburgring.
Mazda set their sights fairly high, considering the NSX's price tag at the time.
little factoid; i've got a 1991 JDM FC brochure, and all the pics are taken at the nurburgring. it doesn't mention lap times, but it goes on and on about how cool the FC is at the nurburgring. so Mazda was there about 10 year before it was cool, and 15 before it wasn't cool?
HIROSHIMA, Japan柚azda Motor Corporation has announced that Mazda RX-VISION was named the "Most Beautiful Concept Car of the Year" in an award ceremony held on January 26 at the 31st Festival Automobile International held in Paris, France.
Mazda RX-Vision accepts 'Most Beautiful Concept Car of the Year' award
The RX-VISION sports car concept made its world debut at the Tokyo Motor Show last year. A front-engine, rear-wheel drive sports car with KODO design-based proportions only Mazda could envision, the model is powered by the next-generation SKYACTIV-R rotary engine and represents the company's vision of the future.
"The Most Beautiful Concept Car of the Year" award goes to the vehicle that best embodies pure design creativity and emerging trends. It is one of the grand prizes at the annual event, with the winner chosen by a jury of experts and enthusiasts from the world of motorsports, architecture, fashion and design.
The RX-VISION will be on display at the Festival Automobile International's concept car exhibition in Paris at the Htel National des Invalides from January 27 to 31.
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