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Looks great. I don't know why but it reminds me so much of the corvette now that it is mentioned. And the dual exhaust set up will take a lot of time for some to get used to imo.
Sell this as a kit car and not a body kit. There are onky so many cars to convert and it becomes cost prohibitive unless it's a full tube chassis. Also make it so that it will accept a 13B, 20B, LSx or Ford motor and you have a winner on your hands.
Originally Posted by Monkman33
This. +1
Originally Posted by Rotr8
Well that sounds great, but I neither have the pockets or resources to develop a car from the ground up, anyone who says this doesn't really understand what it takes to do so on a single individual's scale.
so what we are all talking about is along the lines of this. I may be able to do this, but at a later time down the road.
I like that you are basing this body off a donor car.
Title and registration is more of a pain in the *** with a "kit car" approach.
FD rollers do cost a little more than another donor car might, but if $3-5K for an FD roller with minor body damage is too much to swing, I doubt the whole "build your own supercar" project will get very far.
As a bonus for those who already have a perfectly bad *** FD that want something a little different, they can add the body to an already "super car" performing chassis.
If you really want a maze of tubes, it wouldn't be hard to add a cage to an FD chassis that reinforces the suspension mounting points and then trim fat off the unibody. Look at the Garage Revolution time attack FD for inspiration.
Well that sounds great, but I neither have the pockets or resources to develop a car from the ground up, anyone who says this doesn't really understand what it takes to do so on a single individual's scale.
Patent the design and shop the concept to Factory Five, Superformance etc. They have the resources you don't. Why take it further on your own when this design and concept can be realized by people who make chassis all day everyday?
It can be based off FD suspension but a tube chassis is better anyway. It could be bigger than your original concept in scope and without the necessity to convert a car that limits you to a few dozen kits? Even if you could sell more kits you eventually max out the potential of this idea because of limited FD chassis.
Btw most FD owners have light wallets. You need to look beyond this pool of buyers if you want success for this.
I think everyone is missing the point.
I do not rely on this kit or any other that I design for income. I do it to expand my portfolio. To learn new processes and to create all but one off items. And if people jump on board and convince me to make a few more than all the better. We'll see where this goes over the course of the next year and then talk about bringing it to the masses. Until then the kit will be based off the FD chassis as a body kit. There is no rush to start running before I crawl and walk. We'll get there though.
All I can say is keep up the good work either way I am in. Its time for a new or newer Rx-7 however you want to look at it. Its nice to see someone want to create one off items, and this car is especially that. I know it may sound corny but ROTOR on lol.
Absolutely stunning! I'd put that on par with the new M4 if not better!
Please have your eyes checked, the M4 is an atrocity of bland.
Looks just like any other BMW with a different front and rear fascia.
What is up with those plastic grills?
It starting to look like the Audis and Lexus.
Reason I am keeping my '05 M3 competition package.
Now this rendition of the RX7 is super fast just looking at it, is sexy, different and futuristic.
here is my $.02 take it for what's it's worth, my points are not to offend just my thoughts as potential buyer.
Is target price really 18k? That's 4k more than the miata catfish tube chassis and body, That's 3k more than Factory 818 with Chassis, body suspension interior, pedal box, seats, fuel tank etc,etc. there are others but I think it makes my point.
Imo 10k seems like a realistic price. ( At 18k you can expect for the someone to copy the molds and undercut your price, by the time you win the legal battle, somebody else will be doing the same thing. I wonder how many knock off fortune kits have been sold?) If they are smart enough to make few changes you won't even be able to stop them.
I'm sure proprietary lighting will drive up the price. The headlights look a lot like 2014 lotus elise/ exige lights, using those could cut a lot of cost, the tail lights look like knock off aston martin vulcan lights. reminds me altezza light craze. I could skip the tail light change and go with one of current led options and be happpy. again that would cut a ton of cost.
Again just my thoughts as likely buyer, but not at 18k, I rather keep the stock body and have an 818 too.
That's my point, if the price point is too high (profit margin) it entices a counterfeit that much more. I totally understand needing to make profit, but trying to amortizing development cost over the first couple kits is short sided. From a business standpoint it begs to be counterfeited. If the price is such that its a reasonable profit margin, it's much less enticing to try and sell a counterfeit product at the same or near the same price. If they can look at materials cost and undercut you you by 50% and still make a good profit the chances of that happening go way up. Perhaps a gofundme or kickstarter type of campaign will get the kit off the ground at a reasonable price. maybe offer up so nice large print renders, possibly framed, t shirts etc, as well as the first few kits to help amortize development costs. I'm just throwing out ideas, I'd hate to see it come to market sell a couple kits and then it becomes difficult to sell anymore because there is knock off version at half the price.
Wow really good work here. Keep it up, I'll have to go back and read the thread more as I'm not very active on this forum much anymore but geez this is beautiful so far. maybe some brass at Mazda will see this.
If possible, can you model those replacement sideview mirrors ^ on a factory/stock FD3S body as well, and size them accordingly- so that they might look good while not sticking out too far, as another mirror option for regular 7 owners? (Just a random thought to consider)
If possible, can you model those replacement sideview mirrors ^ on a factory/stock FD3S body as well, and size them accordingly- so that they might look good while not sticking out too far, as another mirror option for regular 7 owners? (Just a random thought to consider)
The new RE-A mirrors are similar and readily available.
Those are door mounted, I'm talking about piller/triangle mounted mirrors.
Closest design to ROTR8's style would be the Knightsports carbon mirrors, from what I've seen available.
That's my point, if the price point is too high (profit margin) it entices a counterfeit that much more. I totally understand needing to make profit, but trying to amortizing development cost over the first couple kits is short sided. From a business standpoint it begs to be counterfeited. If the price is such that its a reasonable profit margin, it's much less enticing to try and sell a counterfeit product at the same or near the same price. If they can look at materials cost and undercut you you by 50% and still make a good profit the chances of that happening go way up. Perhaps a gofundme or kickstarter type of campaign will get the kit off the ground at a reasonable price. maybe offer up so nice large print renders, possibly framed, t shirts etc, as well as the first few kits to help amortize development costs. I'm just throwing out ideas, I'd hate to see it come to market sell a couple kits and then it becomes difficult to sell anymore because there is knock off version at half the price.
meh I agree. 18k is more then the price of a C5 Z06 and closing on a regular C6. this will have alot of hype and then die down once it's actually released. Costs are just insane. Even 10k is high but alot more realistic.
People who see this as a "body kit" are missing the point, assuming Greg ever decided to try to get this built. This is a new body on the Rxy chassis. The pieces would bolt up just like the stock body, conceptually. This would not be screwing, riveting, and gluing a bunch of fiberglass over the Rx7 shell. It would mostly be a new body.
I see people saying $18,000 is a high price. It should cost well over that, imo. For what he would be offering $18,000 is a steal. The bottom line here is that this is for people who can afford $20-100,000 motors in their FD's. If you want to make your car look flash cheaply, there are a lot of body kits out there for all the model builders with their glue sticks.
not really readily available - there is a 4+ month wait time and you need to send your mirrors to them
I think the ones in this thread will be more than a 4 month wait. So by contrast, the RE-As actually exist in real life outside a 3D rendering, so I'll count that as "readily available".
Originally Posted by REVLUC
Those are door mounted, I'm talking about piller/triangle mounted mirrors.
Closest design to ROTR8's style would be the Knightsports carbon mirrors, from what I've seen available.
Good point. I used to have the KS Type-1 mirrors, which used the door triangle AND the door mount. I now have Ganadors which do the same. I agree cleaning up the door is a nice plus.
Guys appreciate the feedback but please refrain from the business 101 college lessons for now.
At this point it is a 27 piece endeavor to do this(including custom built lighting solutions)
I am currently optimizing the design and building the first mule on my own car(bought specifically for this project) Lessons learned from that phase of the project will dictate whether or not I even bring the kit to market. The entire goal isn't to create a profitable revenue stream but rather to build a showcase portfolio piece for my design business. There really isn't any money in creating parts for a 25yr old car. I'm breaking into more exotic platforms and this is more or less a trial run.
Back to a vehicle that will be debuting in two months.
I may not be able to get back to this project until the winter(I'll try though), I have several Porsche projects running as well as the fore mentioned deadline looming.
I will be out at SEMA and Sevenstock if anyone wants to hang out.
Guys appreciate the feedback but please refrain from the business 101 college lessons for now.
At this point it is a 27 piece endeavor to do this(including custom built lighting solutions)
I am currently optimizing the design and building the first mule on my own car(bought specifically for this project) Lessons learned from that phase of the project will dictate whether or not I even bring the kit to market. The entire goal isn't to create a profitable revenue stream but rather to build a showcase portfolio piece for my design business. There really isn't any money in creating parts for a 25yr old car. I'm breaking into more exotic platforms and this is more or less a trial run.
Back to a vehicle that will be debuting in two months.
I may not be able to get back to this project until the winter(I'll try though), I have several Porsche projects running as well as the fore mentioned deadline looming.
I will be out at SEMA and Sevenstock if anyone wants to hang out.
What are you bringing out to SEMA? Should we be looking for a specific car or booth?
