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New US-built billet rotary engines are coming from www.built2apex.com. Given the quality of everything they make, we should all pay attention to this. They will start out with 13b's, but will eventually make 3 and 4 rotor motors available. Not sure how this pasting of a Facebook page will work here:
No. Not putting anything in front of anything. They are coming. Nader is just building the 13b crate motor prototype now, but I have seen custom, one-off housings he machined a few years ago. Check out their website. I've known Nader for some time and have bought a few things from him that are works of art. Check out his billet oil pans.
I’m familiar with B2A. I’ve seen a few aftermarket rotors come and go, but maybe ...
plenty of billet parts out there, so seems do-able otherwise. When you compare Chip’s billet 7075 front cover dry sump to the Motorsport cast one it almost makes paying 2x more seem reasonable.
When you compare Chip’s billet 7075 front cover dry sump to the Motorsport cast one it almost makes paying 2x more seem reasonable.
You are absolutely right. I have a lot of custom billet pieces on my motor and I appreciate the difference. I think they are worth the money. (If I ever ditch my 3 rotor and go 4 rotor, I would use as many billet pieces as I can. Kind of like the idea of a 12a based 4 rotor for the shorter block, but not sure what the power tradeoff is.)
Apology for going off topic, but just out of curiosity; where would you get 12a rotor assemblies these days? It was my impression that they’re pretty rare to come by.
TeamRx8... Atkins probably still sells them, if Nader doesn't end up producing them. Atkins definitely still has 12a turbo rotors. With modern CAD/CAM they can just scan anything and load that into a CNC machine or maybe even use 3D printing to make them. Not sure what approach Nader might take.
I had already skimmed around and they were listed NLA in addition to the price tag. I’m not aware of any aftermarket rotor ever having ever been successfully durable. That’s why I was curious.
Nader has had trouble fulfilling orders and evening dragging customers through the mud for calling out his failure to deliver on his promises. I hope that he's worked on this aspect of his business.
I don’t have any skin in the game, but like yourself it’s easy to express an opinion that maybe isn’t always representative of the whole truth. Speaking from my own work experience though, the economy took off and business came in from all directions. It easy to think you just ramp up the workforce and off you go, but that denies the reality of finding good people, training them, and them then showing up, let alone sticking around. Also supplying the resources and equipment needed for them to do their job, and then also bear the uncertain responsibility for what happens if the bottom suddenly drops out.
That said, it’s difficult to turn business away or make the mistake of excessively optimistic promises even though your own common sense recognizes the limit is being reached. Things don’t always go as planned, which can have a domino effect on future productivity that wasn’t foreseeable. Every company is based on people and we all screw up at some point; the company has to be responsible for that. If you’re the customer though, yes; it totally sucks. We all understand that.
However, sometimes all it takes is one or several customers to create a situation through their own delays, decision making, etc. that totally screws a solid, responsible plan despite the company and other customers doing everything right. Do you think the other customers are understanding of that? No, they blame the company even though the company did nothing wrong. Not just from them; even the customer(s) that caused the problem get upset if their original expectation wasn’t met. Because as so often is the case, people often only are understandable about their own need and desire above anything else.
So it’s not always so cut and dry. You can take this to the bank though; it sucks just as much for the company as the customers who did everything right. I don’t think some people have any understanding of that until after being neck deep in it themselves. Being in technical sales and project management though, I know it all too well.
which in all due respect, you sound like 3rd party dropping in with hearsay. I don’t know the guy and have never done business there, but a simple search seemed to reveal him admitting to mistakes over the last year, having hired and trained new personnel to help handle the load, and promising to do better. No guarantee, but fair to also put forth as well as there having been happy & satisfied customers over the same period too.
What I've stated is experience from close friends who have dealt with said party. I understand the scenarios you've posed but being a small business owner myself I do have some perspective on the matter. My comment was to provide input and for what it's worth, state forward-looking encouragement hoping all his issues have been addressed. All the best to B2A.
I get it. Waited over about 15 or 16 months for a PAR gearset that was supposed to take 10 - 12 weeks . I was pretty wound up at one point, but after receiving it was ready to order another. Lol.
Looking forward to seeing these though I'll echo that given what I've seen pipeline/throughput/delivery issues will need to be resolved before these should be considered 'imminent' on any sort of scale past 'Hey thats neat, some dude built that'. I dig everything I've seen of B2A's work.
Like everyone, I just like to see interesting newer vendors producing things for our cars. We've all seen vendor problems over the years. Everywhere. PFS. Speed1. Some never make it. Some do some very good things and later go bad. Some get things going, have issues, and keep at it and solve their problems. Seeing people like B2A, Chipsmotorsports, Defined Auto, Full Function Engineering, BNR, and others still coming up with things for our 25 year old cars is really great.
Excellent point there. It’s not like you’re picking up a bag of Doritos at Walmart or a common OE part. At least it’s stateside too, which I’m glad people in this country are at least attempting to serve and fulfill our need. Trying to address this halfway across the world can add even more frustration to the situation.
Your rights and legal options are a bit more secure domestically too. The shortcomings aside, by all accounts he seems to be sincere and making a reasonable effort. As annoying as it may be, it’s fairly tame compared to some scammer taking you for a long ride to nowheresville. Been there before too. That’s truly the worst case miserable situation.
From Built2Apex.com Nader on Facebook today. Some very nice pieces.
"Through diligence comes progression. Every day we get closer to being able to offer same day shipping and better service.
All original design, track tested RX7 products available at www.built2apex.com"
Nader has had trouble fulfilling orders and evening dragging customers through the mud for calling out his failure to deliver on his promises. I hope that he's worked on this aspect of his business.
Agreed. Took close to 6 months to get my low mount alternator bracket, Nader himself answered all emails (didn't return phone call). Offered a discount on my next order as apology for taking so long. Speculation here but at the time he was doing a lot with the Rob Dahm 4 rotor build, maybe that was sapping resources?
Just to clarify. He helped make that alternator bracket and oil pan but my project hasnt taken any of his time in the last couple months. He was insanely vital to getting the engine running on the stand, but from there i wasnt much of a burden on him. I too am hopeful for the future of billet engines. They have quite a few challenges. But they are also the only solution for a viable rotary future.
I'm skeptical they have enough money to do the durability testing needed. It's one thing to make brackets, it's another thing to make rotors and housings that can hold up to a standard assortment of tests engines need to go through (thermal shock tests, peak power tests, etc).
I think Nader is doing very well, although I can't disagree that what he's doing may not work. Nader probably produces more parts than anyone else for our motors. He just came out with a new throttle body that looks great. He has actually applied for a patent on it.
wow the throttle body looks great . I’ll look into them when I’m ready next year . Bad *** keep posting updates
Originally Posted by gmonsen
I think Nader is doing very well, although I can't disagree that what he's doing may not work. Nader probably produces more parts than anyone else for our motors. He just came out with a new throttle body that looks great. He has actually applied for a patent on it.
01-06-20, 04:16 PM
