OK.........I can see I'm fighting a losing battle. YOU WIN!!!!!

 

 

He and his family have moved around a bit over the years, but they are living in Texas right now.

He sold his CYM years ago. It was modded. A lot Anyone know what ever happened to it?

 

I think someone got their hands on it and parted it out ....

 

Let me get this straight....Are you providing clear facts that a 30k mile lightly modded Chaste White 94 brought more money than a bone stock really clean VR/Tan car with only 9k miles???? Come on Fritz, we have both been told and guaranteed time and time again that color and year means nothing. It's like talking in circles but it is hilarious to watch Matty chase his own tail.

 

I still think if we see any R1/R2 under 10k miles that is clean like the VR/Black 9k mile car we will see a new record. A 95 R2 would definitely run up the price or a really clean and really low mileage CYM.

 

Hahahahahahaha. I cant wait to we get legalized pot in the south, I want to feel what you are feeling.

While we are basking in your glory, would you please explain why the 38k mile CYM sold for $14k more than the 39k mile 93 BB Car? Do you also care to explain why the 94 CW/Black car with 29k miles sold for $12k more one week later after a 94 VR/Black car with 31k miles?

I always love a good victory speech. This should be delusional gold.

 

LOL........I sorta get where Matty is coming from or looking at BAT auction prices for the last 2 years isn't your best resource for prospective values between year, model, color etc... BUT if you look closer you begin to see that the obvious is also true in the FD world. Today there could literally be a 30k spread between a 1k mile CYM and 1k mile MB/tan touring.

My value chart would look something like this.

95 SSM R2
95 CW Base
95 BB R2
95 VR R2
93 CYM R1
94 SSM R2
94 BB R2
94 BB R2
95 SSM Base (haven't see one so it may or may not exist)
etc...etc...

93 touring of any color will be the least valuable FDs in 10 years. If we must value them red/black will likely be the most valuable followed by SSM/black etc.... So to really put model, color, year etc... into prospective. A 95 R2 is worth 60k (obviously just a guess but I won't be surprised at all) and a 93 mb/tan is worth 35. That's big spread.

 

Yep

I bought it and tracked it for a bit and then parted it out.

It was a very nice car but had some electrical issue that was killing fuel pumps and eventually killed the engine.

 

yep, if you look close at the BAT picture over the last two years it's crystal clear. It's a good thing Matty isn't trading FDs LOL

 

Yep, that is exactly how I see it as well.

 

There is a ssm thats nearly identical to the vr $49k car. Lets see how it does. The ssm has 3k more miles. But according to you the color makes it more valuable than a VR. So. We will see. It should show up here.

 

thats how you two see it bc you are enthusiasts dealing with other enthusiasts. The guys on bat have literally no idea what you are talking about. And THAT has been my point. Read the comments of the people buying these cars.

 

Stumbled on this. Must be recent because the price is absurd. Excellent old-school Top Fuel kit, though. Just thought it was interesting.
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This one is kinda cool, too. Virginia is a veritable hot bed of RHD JDM stuff, if you're into that. I'm a LHD guy, but I like those weird JDM parts. RZ seats, panasports, and Famspeed SMIC.
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Fact remains no trends in the bat trades. NONE! So far the gran champ is a VR car that is far down your list. Yet there has been a "higher up" car on your list with a fraction of the miles that has traded for LESS.
What in the name of god can you hang your hats on? Now stop it. So far you both are wrong.

Look, in the name of diplomacy I will find a common ground with you. In your worlds its generally accepted facts that all these things matter to us enthusiasts. And i actually agree with you. People here will pay more for the specs you laid out. However in the main stream your rules are completely meaningless and there is now evidence. And my point is correct. And continues to be proven as such. Lastly, I will say that it is THAT market that will push fds up to real numbers. So i think you both are in the process of learning this. I get it. You push back just like the folks that threw people in jail for saying the earth round (ok now i have gone too far).

We could be arguing two separate points. There are unique markets. There is the mainstream bat market and there is the rx7club enthusiast markets. On bat people are paying up for different reasons. A modded car usually does awful there. I urge you to look at some of the more developed markets like porsche and bmw. They are brutal sticklers to details related to originality. Down to things like rubber and yes in our cases battery covers. The fd market just isnt there yet on the mainstream market and that is my argument. And these are the folks that are getting the FD to the next level after floundering for a decade while the supra and nsx ripped up.

 

its a slow day at work so here is another point. You guys are taking the pulse of the enthusiast market. You have established this over two decades of "being around". You have like ten other guys that have been around just as long as you have that are posting. I am included in that. We all know what the flavors are that gets people exciting. I used to post obsessively here. I was on the big list. I know just as well as you two. I may have not sold the cars you have or parts. But I have read and have experienced just as much as you in terms of the culture here. All your points are valid. They represent an accurate view of the general consensus of this community. I agree. Where we have an issue is the notion that we currently and finally have two unique markets. This is where the trouble comes in. This is where the disagreement is. And this is where you two are wrong. And will probably be wrong for quite some time.

And fyi---regarding your list. For the BAT market. A VR car is pretty decent middle of the road color. Meaning it probably does best on bat for awhile. It is a color that the masses can get behind and just generally looks awesome on sports cars. This is another point i have argued with DJ. So i think, and so far correctly, that VR does nicely on BAT

 

There's no trend in the BAT data for options and colors except that the nuances of each auction, presentation, and car rule the end price.

DJ and Fritz are on the money with their projections, and it clearly bears out in the market if you actually pay attention.

 

actually there is one trend. tan interior is doing awful

 

isnt what you just said a contradiction.I dont follow. i apologize. isnt you first sentence saying no trends then u go on to say they are right? Did you mis quote?

Where is the trend when the highest water mark is the most common car?

I am gonna have to give up. True visionary's are often condemned for their views. I can rest knowing that

 

The SSM car is not as clean and doesn't have as many pics so I don't think it is a great comparison. However, the SSM does have the least amount of rust of any of the cars I have seen posted on the undercarriage. It will be interesting to see how it does.

 

That is exactly how I see things as well. The enthusiast market is a different breed all on it's own.

I have always been out of sorts with the rest of the forum in terms of amenities. I have said many times before that I love my sunroof and HAVE to have AC. But the truth is that I actually like the leather seats, don't mind the rear wiper, and love the bose system. My old 93 SSM had a Bose system that I missed so much that I added a wave tube to my 94 PEP. And in those terms, I think I align myself more with the mainstream market. I want a fast sports car that is comfortable.

The only thing that I truly dislike is the 93 TAN interiors. The seats and carpet are fine but it is the tan door panels, headliners and back bin area that kill it. ugh... Just terrible. That is why I actually like 94-95 tan interiors since only the carpet and seats are tan but the rest of the interior is black. Much more pleasant to the eye. IMO of course

 

Hysterical. At this point I believe you are either out of touch with sanity or an amazing troll. I must say I enjoy it either way.

 

He is saying the overall quality of the car and its presentation has been the key factor and most of the comparisons we draw on BAT are not apples to apples. And he is correct. If the SSM car didnt have the paint issues it would have soared well past the 93 VR 9k mile car. Hell, it almost tied it and it needs paint work. Once again the SSM was the better buy today, and will be 10 years from now as well as demand shrinks.

With the examples Fritz and I posted earlier it is very clear that year and color play a huge role. The white car hit $40k with 30k miles on it, compare it to the touring 93s with that mileage. I'll save you the trouble, they arent getting close. Then look at the CYM, look at its mileage, then look at the sale price. It only sold for 60% markup over the 93 touring black car with same mileage. So tell me again, how you believe color and trim package do not matter.

I think what I find most hilarious is you believe these collectors that are dropping $50k plus with fees, site unseen, haven't done their homework.

 

I'm the middle ground with you three. While I agree that model year, mileage, and color matter I also believe that trim doesn't.

• Model year and mileage matter for obvious reasons. The newer cars had upgrades and the lesser the miles the better the condition of the car (in theory). Obviously those attributes will be sought after causing a rise in price
• Color. Color is a very personal thing and if most people love one particular color then the demand will be there and hence price will reflect that. The same can be said for the opposite. If the masses as a whole hate one particular color, then there will a lack of demand and prices will reflect those cars as well. Color is a big thing. Like DJ and Narfle just HATE yellow cars and they wouldn't be caught dead owning a yellow FD. .
• Trim. Not so much because the differences in trims aren't really that big. There isn't an upgrade of turbos, no extra HP, negligible weight differences, and no badges to separate trims. Nothing, other that the owner owner telling people that they own XX car. In other words, none of those attributes truly change the driving experience with these cars. Close your eyes on a smooth road and you'll be hard pressed to tell which trim you are driving. So remember, a certain trim has to appeal to the masses more to have an impact in price and I doubt most people care if a car has an extra oil cooler (or not).

Just my $0.02


I would argue that they have done their research and they just don't care about the same things the forum does (trim). But time will tell as more examples will roll on through.

 

When I was scrolling through and first saw the white car with the black headlight cover, I thought: Why did someone post a picture of a Dodge Stealth RT? LOL!