How to value your FD
08-31-17, 01:39 PM
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What you mean that lowballer central is not end all and be all? 
the forum is a great place to buy a car, not so much to sell one. And you are 100% correct that many assume that the forum IS the FD world, but it really isn't. We are just a small piece of it.
I wouldn't call that strong...
the forum is a great place to buy a car, not so much to sell one. And you are 100% correct that many assume that the forum IS the FD world, but it really isn't. We are just a small piece of it.I wouldn't call that strong...
You fellas are selling the general public short. Along with autotrader, cars.com, craiglist etc.... forums are also looked at by anyone who's serious about buying a collector car or really any enthusiast type sports car.
If you were in the market for an old P car or m3 etc.... where would you look. Likely a forum of some sort 1st.
Hell there are currently more cars for sale here and have been for years than there are listed on autotrader. That tells you everything you need to know about where to sell this car.
08-31-17, 02:05 PM
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Come to NH. If you can deal with the snow it's an hour commute to Boston where you can make close to what you might be making out there, depending on your industry.
You might see the same cars being traded among a small community of collectors that skyrocket the high end market...but those aren't drivers. They are parked in climate controlled storage, and you'll pay more in cost of storage, interest on loan, taxes, title, etc than they will increase in value.
That sucks...come to NH. I'm less than 2 hours from 4 different race tracks, and you can buy a 3 car garage mansion (by california standards) for under $500k. 2 car mansion under $400k. Small house with a barn for all your toys for $300k. All within 90 minute drive of Boston.
Yeah people are sitting on cars waiting for the value to go up. I see it now with non-concours Mazda Cosmos. There's a red one in Boston that simply isn't selling. It's not a 6 figure car like the ones we see at Pebble Beach. It's red for starters. The seller only caters to high end sales and will sit on it for years until the right buyer comes around, or their business goes bankrupt.
Since we're posting cars and discussing prices, what's wrong with this one? For the price, I can't think of a more fun weekend cruiser and track day toy. https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/c...239037797.html
You might see the same cars being traded among a small community of collectors that skyrocket the high end market...but those aren't drivers. They are parked in climate controlled storage, and you'll pay more in cost of storage, interest on loan, taxes, title, etc than they will increase in value.
That sucks...come to NH. I'm less than 2 hours from 4 different race tracks, and you can buy a 3 car garage mansion (by california standards) for under $500k. 2 car mansion under $400k. Small house with a barn for all your toys for $300k. All within 90 minute drive of Boston.
Yeah people are sitting on cars waiting for the value to go up. I see it now with non-concours Mazda Cosmos. There's a red one in Boston that simply isn't selling. It's not a 6 figure car like the ones we see at Pebble Beach. It's red for starters. The seller only caters to high end sales and will sit on it for years until the right buyer comes around, or their business goes bankrupt.
Since we're posting cars and discussing prices, what's wrong with this one? For the price, I can't think of a more fun weekend cruiser and track day toy. https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/c...239037797.html
Dude should have bought gold or if he's really into cars a 996 GT3. Lets see where gold is in 10 years and the price of 996 GT3s compared to FDs.
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08-31-17, 02:40 PM
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Since we're posting cars and discussing prices, what's wrong with this one? For the price, I can't think of a more fun weekend cruiser and track day toy. https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/c...239037797.html
We should go back through the FS section and link threads from last year that look like a steal now. That would be fun.
08-31-17, 02:58 PM
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If you're dying for a CYM, that's not the worst you could do. The price is in the ballpark for today's market. Compression is OK. Mileage is OK. Looks like it's in nice shape. It will probably need some sorting, less than most (fewer mods = fewer mistakes). Montego and Fritz are right. I think it'll keep on running fine as is. But, it might be good to refresh the motor before it's actually necessary.
We should go back through the FS section and link threads from last year that look like a steal now. That would be fun.
We should go back through the FS section and link threads from last year that look like a steal now. That would be fun.
08-31-17, 05:57 PM
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Another thing is parts for the FD are readily available around the world (relatively)
Supra parts are mostly NLA now and very expensive/rare to find in decent condition. I could replace the entire FD interior with brand new parts from the dealer for the cost of a couple of mkiv dash panels. The 6 speed transmission is now being sold for 11-12k for a new one. 2jz engines are also pretty much all gone now as well.
More and more supras are being destroyed, hacked up, and modded cheaply (transmission swaps to 5 speed manual from mk3) partially because the parts are just too much of a rip off for most people.
There are also a lot more FD's around the world (RHD or not) so there are plenty of aftermarket companies continuing to engineer and manufacture good stuff while the Supra does not have enough of a market to make financial sense beyond a few companies that are really dedicated to preserving the cars. And then they charge a hell of a lot for the parts, because they have to.
08-31-17, 08:36 PM
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If you're dying for a CYM, that's not the worst you could do. The price is in the ballpark for today's market. Compression is OK. Mileage is OK. Looks like it's in nice shape. It will probably need some sorting, less than most (fewer mods = fewer mistakes). Montego and Fritz are right. I think it'll keep on running fine as is. But, it might be good to refresh the motor before it's actually necessary.
We should go back through the FS section and link threads from last year that look like a steal now. That would be fun.
We should go back through the FS section and link threads from last year that look like a steal now. That would be fun.
Side story...
My wife has always like the 3000GT. We went to look at a very clean non-VR4 recently. Price was slightly above market but photos were perfect for a CL ad. We looked it over, and the owner took us for a quick spin (wouldn't let me drive it...which is odd, for a sub $10k purchase, but whatever). My wife went from excited to meh in the course of a 15 minute drive but she was still interested in a play thing she could take to auto-x events with me. As I started asking more questions and looking closer at the paint job I realized there was nothing but decent photographs and a detail job separating it from the others we'd seen advertisements for. He had some nice parts on it in the photos but they had been swapped over to another car by the time we got there....the price in my head was dropping fast. I saw decent money still invested in it, aggressive stance, tastefully done stereo, clean 3.5L swap, but even the swap was a budget build that didn't really add much power. It rode heavy and felt punchy in the low end but struggled up top. I could tell this just from the passenger seat. Anyway, clearly it was the seller's pride and joy at one point and he has since lost interest and focused on another project. The car was well cared for but it was still a Mitsubishi. The trim was flimsy and rattled, the window was scratched from where it wasn't working properly at one point, the hatch rattled, the paint had some cracks from a budget respray, and there were little things like the VR4 spoiler being on the car but not connected that bugged me. I realized, even if we picked it up for a fair price it wasn't the deal I saw from my computer desk. In the end, a single ride was enough to sway my wife away from her dream car. A part of me worries that any FD I look at will be the same...so I should just look for a complete beater and build it the way I want....or I absolutely must see the car in person before I bid on something that pops up on BringATrailer or eBay.
08-31-17, 10:20 PM
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Thanks. I imagine the photos do it better justice than in person. Its the little details that stop a sale, like so-so compression or a slight tear in the seat that was carefully hidden in the ad (not saying it is, but that's just an example). I don't really need one right now...but I know I'll be kicking myself in two years for not grabbing something to add to the fleet, even if it's a beater. In fact, I'd probably be better off with a basket case because that's an excuse to start from scratch.
Side story...
My wife has always like the 3000GT. We went to look at a very clean non-VR4 recently. Price was slightly above market but photos were perfect for a CL ad. We looked it over, and the owner took us for a quick spin (wouldn't let me drive it...which is odd, for a sub $10k purchase, but whatever). My wife went from excited to meh in the course of a 15 minute drive but she was still interested in a play thing she could take to auto-x events with me. As I started asking more questions and looking closer at the paint job I realized there was nothing but decent photographs and a detail job separating it from the others we'd seen advertisements for. He had some nice parts on it in the photos but they had been swapped over to another car by the time we got there....the price in my head was dropping fast. I saw decent money still invested in it, aggressive stance, tastefully done stereo, clean 3.5L swap, but even the swap was a budget build that didn't really add much power. It rode heavy and felt punchy in the low end but struggled up top. I could tell this just from the passenger seat. Anyway, clearly it was the seller's pride and joy at one point and he has since lost interest and focused on another project. The car was well cared for but it was still a Mitsubishi. The trim was flimsy and rattled, the window was scratched from where it wasn't working properly at one point, the hatch rattled, the paint had some cracks from a budget respray, and there were little things like the VR4 spoiler being on the car but not connected that bugged me. I realized, even if we picked it up for a fair price it wasn't the deal I saw from my computer desk. In the end, a single ride was enough to sway my wife away from her dream car. A part of me worries that any FD I look at will be the same...so I should just look for a complete beater and build it the way I want....or I absolutely must see the car in person before I bid on something that pops up on BringATrailer or eBay.
Side story...
My wife has always like the 3000GT. We went to look at a very clean non-VR4 recently. Price was slightly above market but photos were perfect for a CL ad. We looked it over, and the owner took us for a quick spin (wouldn't let me drive it...which is odd, for a sub $10k purchase, but whatever). My wife went from excited to meh in the course of a 15 minute drive but she was still interested in a play thing she could take to auto-x events with me. As I started asking more questions and looking closer at the paint job I realized there was nothing but decent photographs and a detail job separating it from the others we'd seen advertisements for. He had some nice parts on it in the photos but they had been swapped over to another car by the time we got there....the price in my head was dropping fast. I saw decent money still invested in it, aggressive stance, tastefully done stereo, clean 3.5L swap, but even the swap was a budget build that didn't really add much power. It rode heavy and felt punchy in the low end but struggled up top. I could tell this just from the passenger seat. Anyway, clearly it was the seller's pride and joy at one point and he has since lost interest and focused on another project. The car was well cared for but it was still a Mitsubishi. The trim was flimsy and rattled, the window was scratched from where it wasn't working properly at one point, the hatch rattled, the paint had some cracks from a budget respray, and there were little things like the VR4 spoiler being on the car but not connected that bugged me. I realized, even if we picked it up for a fair price it wasn't the deal I saw from my computer desk. In the end, a single ride was enough to sway my wife away from her dream car. A part of me worries that any FD I look at will be the same...so I should just look for a complete beater and build it the way I want....or I absolutely must see the car in person before I bid on something that pops up on BringATrailer or eBay.
09-01-17, 09:17 AM
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Thanks. I imagine the photos do it better justice than in person. Its the little details that stop a sale, like so-so compression or a slight tear in the seat that was carefully hidden in the ad (not saying it is, but that's just an example). I don't really need one right now...but I know I'll be kicking myself in two years for not grabbing something to add to the fleet, even if it's a beater. In fact, I'd probably be better off with a basket case because that's an excuse to start from scratch.
Side story...
My wife has always like the 3000GT. We went to look at a very clean non-VR4 recently. Price was slightly above market but photos were perfect for a CL ad. We looked it over, and the owner took us for a quick spin (wouldn't let me drive it...which is odd, for a sub $10k purchase, but whatever). My wife went from excited to meh in the course of a 15 minute drive but she was still interested in a play thing she could take to auto-x events with me. As I started asking more questions and looking closer at the paint job I realized there was nothing but decent photographs and a detail job separating it from the others we'd seen advertisements for. He had some nice parts on it in the photos but they had been swapped over to another car by the time we got there....the price in my head was dropping fast. I saw decent money still invested in it, aggressive stance, tastefully done stereo, clean 3.5L swap, but even the swap was a budget build that didn't really add much power. It rode heavy and felt punchy in the low end but struggled up top. I could tell this just from the passenger seat. Anyway, clearly it was the seller's pride and joy at one point and he has since lost interest and focused on another project. The car was well cared for but it was still a Mitsubishi. The trim was flimsy and rattled, the window was scratched from where it wasn't working properly at one point, the hatch rattled, the paint had some cracks from a budget respray, and there were little things like the VR4 spoiler being on the car but not connected that bugged me. I realized, even if we picked it up for a fair price it wasn't the deal I saw from my computer desk. In the end, a single ride was enough to sway my wife away from her dream car. A part of me worries that any FD I look at will be the same...so I should just look for a complete beater and build it the way I want....or I absolutely must see the car in person before I bid on something that pops up on BringATrailer or eBay.
Side story...
My wife has always like the 3000GT. We went to look at a very clean non-VR4 recently. Price was slightly above market but photos were perfect for a CL ad. We looked it over, and the owner took us for a quick spin (wouldn't let me drive it...which is odd, for a sub $10k purchase, but whatever). My wife went from excited to meh in the course of a 15 minute drive but she was still interested in a play thing she could take to auto-x events with me. As I started asking more questions and looking closer at the paint job I realized there was nothing but decent photographs and a detail job separating it from the others we'd seen advertisements for. He had some nice parts on it in the photos but they had been swapped over to another car by the time we got there....the price in my head was dropping fast. I saw decent money still invested in it, aggressive stance, tastefully done stereo, clean 3.5L swap, but even the swap was a budget build that didn't really add much power. It rode heavy and felt punchy in the low end but struggled up top. I could tell this just from the passenger seat. Anyway, clearly it was the seller's pride and joy at one point and he has since lost interest and focused on another project. The car was well cared for but it was still a Mitsubishi. The trim was flimsy and rattled, the window was scratched from where it wasn't working properly at one point, the hatch rattled, the paint had some cracks from a budget respray, and there were little things like the VR4 spoiler being on the car but not connected that bugged me. I realized, even if we picked it up for a fair price it wasn't the deal I saw from my computer desk. In the end, a single ride was enough to sway my wife away from her dream car. A part of me worries that any FD I look at will be the same...so I should just look for a complete beater and build it the way I want....or I absolutely must see the car in person before I bid on something that pops up on BringATrailer or eBay.
I'd value mine at 50k (even with the most common color combo) and it continues to go up rapidly...will be hard to catch up
Another thing is parts for the FD are readily available around the world (relatively)
Supra parts are mostly NLA now and very expensive/rare to find in decent condition. I could replace the entire FD interior with brand new parts from the dealer for the cost of a couple of mkiv dash panels. The 6 speed transmission is now being sold for 11-12k for a new one. 2jz engines are also pretty much all gone now as well.
More and more supras are being destroyed, hacked up, and modded cheaply (transmission swaps to 5 speed manual from mk3) partially because the parts are just too much of a rip off for most people.
There are also a lot more FD's around the world (RHD or not) so there are plenty of aftermarket companies continuing to engineer and manufacture good stuff while the Supra does not have enough of a market to make financial sense beyond a few companies that are really dedicated to preserving the cars. And then they charge a hell of a lot for the parts, because they have to.
Another thing is parts for the FD are readily available around the world (relatively)
Supra parts are mostly NLA now and very expensive/rare to find in decent condition. I could replace the entire FD interior with brand new parts from the dealer for the cost of a couple of mkiv dash panels. The 6 speed transmission is now being sold for 11-12k for a new one. 2jz engines are also pretty much all gone now as well.
More and more supras are being destroyed, hacked up, and modded cheaply (transmission swaps to 5 speed manual from mk3) partially because the parts are just too much of a rip off for most people.
There are also a lot more FD's around the world (RHD or not) so there are plenty of aftermarket companies continuing to engineer and manufacture good stuff while the Supra does not have enough of a market to make financial sense beyond a few companies that are really dedicated to preserving the cars. And then they charge a hell of a lot for the parts, because they have to.
Trans, engine, diff, interior pieces, etc..etc.. relatively cheap and available. CNC technology has already changed the game for parts that are no longer available and that will just get better and better. As long as there is a decent roller out there for 20k and below paying over 40k is likely not a good buy.
I'm just stirring the pot as they say
09-01-17, 10:58 AM
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Another thing is parts for the FD are readily available around the world (relatively)
Supra parts are mostly NLA now and very expensive/rare to find in decent condition. I could replace the entire FD interior with brand new parts from the dealer for the cost of a couple of mkiv dash panels. to.
Supra parts are mostly NLA now and very expensive/rare to find in decent condition. I could replace the entire FD interior with brand new parts from the dealer for the cost of a couple of mkiv dash panels. to.
A new AC panel for a FD costs more than the whole center console for my 94 6 speed Supra and is half the size.
Transmission parts are definitely higher for the Supra but I was shocked at how much cheaper most OEM parts are compared to the FD.
09-01-17, 11:41 AM
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it's all relative. You should see what my friends with old Mercedes and Bentley/Rolls cars pay for stuff. You can get parts for really old Bentley/Rolls cars. They're always available, they just cost a lot.
I agree though that the Supra 6 speed is super expensive.
I agree though that the Supra 6 speed is super expensive.
09-01-17, 01:10 PM
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That said we are living in strange times. McDonalds stock is up something like 30 percent this year (trading at close to 30 times earnings). Don't even get me started on Amazon, Netflix and Tesla. Nothing is making economic sense today. NOTHING!!!! Not nearly as bad as the dot com era but starting to get there. At least then there was a good reason for it (internet/technology explosion). Today it just seems like money chasing money or nothing but momentum/greed.
Can this momentum in the stock market carry the dow to 30k and above possibly but doubtful. Same with the FD could this momentum carry it to 75k, 100k and beyond? Possibly but doubtful.
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Fritz... Your seemingly negative outlook on life puzzles me. So far, since Trump was elected, all we are seeing is the recovery from the 07-08 recession that we didn't see under Obama. After 9 years of no growth, it is not surprising that the economy is booming. Reduced regulation and a pro business administration has resulted in a lot of capital investment and hiring. The economy is optimistic again for the first time in many years. I would also note that after Obama doubled the national debt in 8 years -- an increase of $10 Trillion -- Trump has decreased the national debt by $150 Billion in the first 6 months of his first year. Be happy mon.
I'm a big picture guy and don't pay attention to the BS trees in the forest. The last decade has become so politically charged it's embarrassing to us all. The current media landscape is riddle with political BS telling everyone how and what to think. Hell even saturday night live is filled with political BS. Probably half the damn show is a political satire LOL
I'm paying attention to the devastated middle class. The effed up health care system and the endless piles of debt; personal, city, state and federal.
BOTTOMLINE: the avg joe is hanging on by a thin thread and that avg joe buys cell phones or supports the economy. Maybe trump can right all the wrongs but he needs to actually do something. Like develop a tax code and health care plan and get them passed. He has all the power (a gov supported by republicans) so let hope he takes some action to fix this jacked up system before it's too late.
The fact that any interest rate increase beyond 1 point could seriously eff up the bond market is scary. Not to mention what it would do to the ever increasing housing bubble (YEP IT's happening again). Speaking of which with all this job growth and this great economy why doesn't the government increase interest rates? BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS A JOKE!
I like your optimism though. However I'm planning for winter or gathering lots of nuts
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09-01-17, 04:40 PM
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Fritz... Your seemingly negative outlook on life puzzles me. So far, since Trump was elected, all we are seeing is the recovery from the 07-08 recession that we didn't see under Obama. After 9 years of no growth, it is not surprising that the economy is booming. Reduced regulation and a pro business administration has resulted in a lot of capital investment and hiring. The economy is optimistic again for the first time in many years. I would also note that after Obama doubled the national debt in 8 years -- an increase of $10 Trillion -- Trump has decreased the national debt by $150 Billion in the first 6 months of his first year. Be happy mon.
You just keep supporting Trump...... until he gets impeached, and booted from office. By the looks of things, it wont be long
09-01-17, 05:13 PM
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US Debt
FWIW:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/...ebt_histo5.htm
U.S. Debt did in fact approximately double from 9/30/2007 to 9/30/2015, as shown above (not from Fox News).
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/...ebt_histo5.htm
U.S. Debt did in fact approximately double from 9/30/2007 to 9/30/2015, as shown above (not from Fox News).
09-01-17, 05:46 PM
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It looks like someone gets ALL their information from Fox News. I never heard a bigger bunch of crap (lies), other than when Trump is actually speaking. Making up your own facts (above) doesnt change the truth of what has actually happened. Some of us call it reality!!
You just keep supporting Trump...... until he gets impeached, and booted from office. By the looks of things, it wont be long
You just keep supporting Trump...... until he gets impeached, and booted from office. By the looks of things, it wont be long
His delusion knows no end it seems. I literally thought he was trolling but then sadly realized he was serious.
09-01-17, 07:14 PM
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as current owner of an ssm r2... would love for this price point to be true..
but still very skeptical of anything that sells north of 30k..
ive seen rare FDs in great condition.. to sit for months and not sell.. and they are asking less than that...
would love to be very wrong...
more info on this 75k sale...
but still very skeptical of anything that sells north of 30k..
ive seen rare FDs in great condition.. to sit for months and not sell.. and they are asking less than that...
would love to be very wrong...
more info on this 75k sale...
As per Dave Kinney from Hagarty Value Guide. $75k Private sale.
The key is stock R model with just delivery miles. And to those speaking about stock verses modded. It's not 2001 anymore. These cars are transitioning into the collector market for those cars that are fit the description. Maybe a "better car" modded but it's not factory correct. No one is saying factory is better performance or reliability wise. But collector cars aren't driven that much and it's moot.
Once you mod a car it's not historically correct. There are always cars in the collector market that are "drivers" and then those that are perfect time machines that represent the car accurately as it rolled off the assembly line.
Long time owners of these cars see them all as drivers or platforms to mod/race/drive and that's ok. But these are now in transition and some cars will be what collectors will value and some will just be a car to mod with a single turbo, 3 rotor, LS swap etc. Some cars will be survivors and some will require restoration. Everything still has a value and even the nicely modded cars will go up in value some.
A rising tide raises all boats.
But the top money cars aren't the drivers and they won't ever be as long as there are low mile stock cars for collectors to choose from.
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FWIW:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/...ebt_histo5.htm
U.S. Debt did in fact approximately double from 9/30/2007 to 9/30/2015, as shown above (not from Fox News).
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/...ebt_histo5.htm
U.S. Debt did in fact approximately double from 9/30/2007 to 9/30/2015, as shown above (not from Fox News).
https://www.quora.com/Who-created-mo...-Bush-or-Obama
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https://youtu.be/u7lfKS7sUwY
As per Dave Kinney from Hagarty Value Guide. $75k Private sale.
The key is stock R model with just delivery miles. And to those speaking about stock verses modded. It's not 2001 anymore. These cars are transitioning into the collector market for those cars that are fit the description. Maybe a "better car" modded but it's not factory correct. No one is saying factory is better performance or reliability wise. But collector cars aren't driven that much and it's moot.
Once you mod a car it's not historically correct. There are always cars in the collector market that are "drivers" and then those that are perfect time machines that represent the car accurately as it rolled off the assembly line.
Long time owners of these cars see them all as drivers or platforms to mod/race/drive and that's ok. But these are now in transition and some cars will be what collectors will value and some will just be a car to mod with a single turbo, 3 rotor, LS swap etc. Some cars will be survivors and some will require restoration. Everything still has a value and even the nicely modded cars will go up in value some.
A rising tide raises all boats.
But the top money cars aren't the drivers and they won't ever be as long as there are low mile stock cars for collectors to choose from.
As per Dave Kinney from Hagarty Value Guide. $75k Private sale.
The key is stock R model with just delivery miles. And to those speaking about stock verses modded. It's not 2001 anymore. These cars are transitioning into the collector market for those cars that are fit the description. Maybe a "better car" modded but it's not factory correct. No one is saying factory is better performance or reliability wise. But collector cars aren't driven that much and it's moot.
Once you mod a car it's not historically correct. There are always cars in the collector market that are "drivers" and then those that are perfect time machines that represent the car accurately as it rolled off the assembly line.
Long time owners of these cars see them all as drivers or platforms to mod/race/drive and that's ok. But these are now in transition and some cars will be what collectors will value and some will just be a car to mod with a single turbo, 3 rotor, LS swap etc. Some cars will be survivors and some will require restoration. Everything still has a value and even the nicely modded cars will go up in value some.
A rising tide raises all boats.
But the top money cars aren't the drivers and they won't ever be as long as there are low mile stock cars for collectors to choose from.
The tide is rising.
If I was loaded and a collector I'd absolutely buy that car for 75k just to put on a shelf.
That said from a practical stand point it makes zero sense. As does the GT3 4.0 for 400k.
09-01-17, 07:45 PM
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Anyone who thinks that the United States is a better country under our current "president" than it has been in the past is a fool. Case closed.
On topic: It may be time to change the title of this thread to something like $45k
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And next year it will be 35k. Again as zoomzoom mentioned the tide is rising
Speaking of that. Goodfellas why don't you change that title for me LOL
