How to value your FD
Consider this might be the lowest mile FC, and big chance the only one left with this low of a mile, I'm not too surprised on the price. The guy probably don't care for the price tag, his goal is to get an FC below X mile to stick into his garage full of toys, because he can.
What is bold about that statement. Do you see it in many car museums, is it in any of the major collections?
Why do you so boldly think it should be a collector car, other than it being "old". What is special about it, other than being the best optioned rotary at the time?
Why do you so boldly think it should be a collector car, other than it being "old". What is special about it, other than being the best optioned rotary at the time?
I'm actually quite pleased. My precious FD will be worth even more. It's great news.
Good job on giving rationale behind any of your commentary though. Great story brah.
Good job on giving rationale behind any of your commentary though. Great story brah.
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https://www.rx7club.com/general-rota...uction-162883/
I'd wager that BaT hasn't seen as many FCs because they're not as iconic as the FD, and (from what I've heard) they're VERY particular on their selection process for what actually gets put up for auction.
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What is bold about that statement. Do you see it in many car museums, is it in any of the major collections?
Why do you so boldly think it should be a collector car, other than it being "old". What is special about it, other than being the best optioned rotary at the time?
Why do you so boldly think it should be a collector car, other than it being "old". What is special about it, other than being the best optioned rotary at the time?
I think it’s a cool development that should excite all rotary owners. Personally, I would love to have a clean FC.
There is no FD without the FC. Respect your elders
Interesting discussion and opinions here regarding the value of FC's relative to FD's. Personally, I think the guy who purchased that FC on BaT for $63K overpaid for that one. Didn't follow the auction or its comments closely, but I really hope he got a pre-purchase inspection done before bidding. Overall that car was not presented well (dings, scratches, mismatched wheels, WTF?), and the inconsistencies in the visible driver's seat & pedal wear had me questioning the claimed ~2000 odometer miles.
Anyway, the fact that at least 1 collector ponied up that kind of money for an FC, regardless of what motivated such a bid, shows they are rising in value in the collector car market. As a guy who has an FC and FD now, I'm happy that the FC is getting more love in the collector market, it's about time!
Anyway, the fact that at least 1 collector ponied up that kind of money for an FC, regardless of what motivated such a bid, shows they are rising in value in the collector car market. As a guy who has an FC and FD now, I'm happy that the FC is getting more love in the collector market, it's about time!
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On the FC vs. FD thing -
Certain people get excited about certain cars, some of it isn't logical. I still have a soft spot for the 87 Camry and 89 Maxima - my family owned both (bought new) and I drove the Maxima a bunch in high school then got the Camry as my car after I went to college. I would LOVE to have a mint 89 Maxima GXE in pearl white, but those cars are GONE at this point. That car, to me, seemed SO fast, had a Bose sound system I could crank my hair metal up on, and friends of mine from that era still talk about us hot ******* around in the Maxima. The Camry was slow and pedestrian, but I learned how to do car stereo and 12v electronics on it and put a ton of miles down with it. Traded it in on my 87 Turbo.
FB's and FC's were really everyday sports cars. Affordable, cheap to maintain, lots of fun to drive. The FD is a different league performance-wise but it's much less so an everyman's sports car - much more focused, more expensive, and costs more to maintain. But, the FD was a crazy performance bargain compared to some of its contemporaries, especially German and Italian cars.
The FC was also interesting in having such a wide option range, that also put them in a lot of driveways. You could get a base-base with crank windows, no storage bins, no sunroof, no PS, non-turbo, 14" phone dials, or you could get a TurboII with sunroof, power everything, leather, CD player, sunroof, and of course a turbo engine. This also let you buy the car that made sense for you. The FD did have some differentiation with the R models and Touring but it was mainly full performance and track oriented.
Oh, and for the love of god, STOP COMPARING THE FC TO THE 944. The FC's design is a full-on RIPOFF of the 928. The 944 only compares in that it's a front engine rear wheel drive coupe with a hatch. Google image search the 928, it's almost embarrassing how much of a ripoff it was, even down to the wheels (saw blade and phone dial). The door is damn near identical. One of the Japanese tuners even made a pop-up headlight kit to mimic the 928 with the round headlights that lay flush when off.
Anyhow, back your regularly scheduled "they want to much for that car" discussion
Dale
Certain people get excited about certain cars, some of it isn't logical. I still have a soft spot for the 87 Camry and 89 Maxima - my family owned both (bought new) and I drove the Maxima a bunch in high school then got the Camry as my car after I went to college. I would LOVE to have a mint 89 Maxima GXE in pearl white, but those cars are GONE at this point. That car, to me, seemed SO fast, had a Bose sound system I could crank my hair metal up on, and friends of mine from that era still talk about us hot ******* around in the Maxima. The Camry was slow and pedestrian, but I learned how to do car stereo and 12v electronics on it and put a ton of miles down with it. Traded it in on my 87 Turbo.
FB's and FC's were really everyday sports cars. Affordable, cheap to maintain, lots of fun to drive. The FD is a different league performance-wise but it's much less so an everyman's sports car - much more focused, more expensive, and costs more to maintain. But, the FD was a crazy performance bargain compared to some of its contemporaries, especially German and Italian cars.
The FC was also interesting in having such a wide option range, that also put them in a lot of driveways. You could get a base-base with crank windows, no storage bins, no sunroof, no PS, non-turbo, 14" phone dials, or you could get a TurboII with sunroof, power everything, leather, CD player, sunroof, and of course a turbo engine. This also let you buy the car that made sense for you. The FD did have some differentiation with the R models and Touring but it was mainly full performance and track oriented.
Oh, and for the love of god, STOP COMPARING THE FC TO THE 944. The FC's design is a full-on RIPOFF of the 928. The 944 only compares in that it's a front engine rear wheel drive coupe with a hatch. Google image search the 928, it's almost embarrassing how much of a ripoff it was, even down to the wheels (saw blade and phone dial). The door is damn near identical. One of the Japanese tuners even made a pop-up headlight kit to mimic the 928 with the round headlights that lay flush when off.
Anyhow, back your regularly scheduled "they want to much for that car" discussion
Dale
I remember one of the rotary shops in the US got to drive a real deal Spirit R that was brought over for promotional purposes, this was probably 15 years ago. They commented how the car seemed tighter, better put together, and more refined.
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Not so surprising... even though we think the FD was mostly the same, it was a 10-year manufacturing cycle where they probably made lots of small, undocumented improvements to the car and the manufacturing methods.
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Could also be that the Series 8 are simply less old.
There were a lot of changes heading into the S7 and again for the S8.
Japan vehicle inspections have been tougher. Could be that surviving cars are also more well maintained.
If you look at the fine print of the parts catalogue, you can often identify the tweaks and at what VIN number the tweak was made at.
Also the JDM FSM update issues spell out the changes from time to time.
There is also a manual that discusses the changes from FC to FD.
There were a lot of changes heading into the S7 and again for the S8.
Japan vehicle inspections have been tougher. Could be that surviving cars are also more well maintained.
If you look at the fine print of the parts catalogue, you can often identify the tweaks and at what VIN number the tweak was made at.
Also the JDM FSM update issues spell out the changes from time to time.
There is also a manual that discusses the changes from FC to FD.
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That said the FD is a much better car especially when lightly modded (or basic bolt ons).
996 GT3 is special though.
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my friend has one and its awesome. its got drama on par with the FD sequential twins.
between idle and 4000rpm, a guy running on foot is faster. at 4001rpm the turbo spools and its a rocket. then you shift, and the crappy 4 speed puts you down to 3500, so you get to wait while the turbo spools again, and then rocket!
it feels like is accelerates the same in 4th gear as it does in 1st.
its not actually that fast, but the shape of the acceleration curve is like a square wave.... the FD is like a small sine wave and then a big sine wave. most everything else is just a flat line....
between idle and 4000rpm, a guy running on foot is faster. at 4001rpm the turbo spools and its a rocket. then you shift, and the crappy 4 speed puts you down to 3500, so you get to wait while the turbo spools again, and then rocket!
it feels like is accelerates the same in 4th gear as it does in 1st.
its not actually that fast, but the shape of the acceleration curve is like a square wave.... the FD is like a small sine wave and then a big sine wave. most everything else is just a flat line....
You mean like Ceylon