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....Someone should have bought it here vs paying the 5 percent. Unbelievable that BAT consistently does better than private sale. It's a frikken auction LOL....
Not everyone’s on RX-7 Club Fritz, plus, we’re a community of “low ballers” who work hard to knit pick everything to keep prices depressed. If this group set pricing, everything would still be in the $10-$25k range 😆🤓
Advertisements in the FS section with set prices only.
And, you're still clearly picking a fight and questioning the moderators @TwinCharged RX7 . Cease and desist.
If you muck up this thread, too, I will ban you forever.
Define and explain the difference between "picking a fight" vs commenting about an inconsistency between how mods are moderating.
If this comment warrants a forever ban, that's insane.
Define and explain the difference between "picking a fight" vs commenting about an inconsistency between how mods are moderating.
If this comment warrants a forever ban, that's insane.
Ignorance is not a defense. Calling out mods specifically and challenging them in an unrelated thread is picking a fight and trolling. We've explained it to you clearly in multiple threads and PMs.
You have multiple infractions. Multiple temp bans. Documented history of disrespecting moderators and bashing paying vendors. We owe you zero further explanation.
Your next infraction is your last. I should have already sent you packing for your post above. But, I have no problem letting you dig your own grave. Come back here with any comments on moderation, and you're gone.
So how about you DROP IT, or direct your CONSTRUCTIVE questions and criticism to the suggestions section, as you've been directed.
Someone should have bought it here vs paying the 5 percent. Unbelievable that BAT consistently does better than private sale. It's a frikken auction LOL.
For me at least I didn't think about joining the forums until after I had bought a car. I always just guessed it's hard to sell a car to a forum full of already-owners, besides the people who can afford more than one.
That said, our classifieds sure have some gorgeous listings. If I had to do it over, I'd definitely stalk here vs. craigslist.
Ignorance is not a defense. Calling out mods specifically and challenging them in an unrelated thread is picking a fight and trolling. We've explained it to you clearly in multiple threads and PMs.
You have multiple infractions. Multiple temp bans. Documented history of disrespecting moderators and bashing paying vendors. We owe you zero further explanation.
Your next infraction is your last. I should have already sent you packing for your post above. But, I have no problem letting you dig your own grave. Come back here with any comments on moderation, and you're gone.
So how about you DROP IT, or direct your CONSTRUCTIVE questions and criticism to the suggestions section, as you've been directed.
Again, I'm not trolling. I'm asking for a simple definition.
Your post is misleading. I've been a member for 11 years, you have temp banned me twice over the last 6 months. I've never once had an issue before this. You comments above make it seem like a repeat offender bagging on mods all the time. That's untrue, I merely called out a discrepancy and asked for a definition of this "picking a fight" nonsense. The constructive thing to due would be for you to actually provide a definition so I can follow it, instead of putting it back on me with the "ignorance" comment. Just give a definition and the whole community can follow it without issue.
Again, I'm not fighting, I'm asking for clarity, but a mod will not give a straight answer. Telling someone to "drop it" doesn't fix anything.
Previously, on the last episode of "What Not To Do, TwinCharged"...
Originally Posted by Narfle
Stop questioning mods in main threads. Find a more constructive way to address your concerns. Like all the other instances: you're fighting windmills you believe are dragons, OP is happy, you have a problem, you fail to receive constructive criticism, pretend it's all some sort of tragedy, and then you martyr yourself. It's a pattern we won't continue to tolerate...You're proving to be one of a handful of members who refuse to respect this forum, its rules, and the member-mods trusted to maintain it.
Which resulted in blatant disrespect of moderators:
Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
Uh oh Fritz. Watch out. The mods (Gen2n3 and Narfle) might come in and ban you for taking about the sale of your car outside of the classified section and then Ban me for asking why they are being inconsistent (or their unconventional definition of picking a fight with them) with how they treat posts like this.
Fritz complies with the rules and recommendations, like the solid community member he is. Why can't TwinCharged do the same?
Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
Edit, don’t want to get banned
BTW @Fritz Flynn , you're not what the mod staff are worried about. Mostly new members, dangerous misunderstandings, and shady or unqualified buyer/sellers. I do appreciate you abiding the rules. You should post up a FS thread for your VR R2. I'd love to see it in detail.
Consistency from moderators:
Originally Posted by Narfle
Advertisements in the FS section with set prices only.
Identification of infraction and request to comply:
Originally Posted by Narfle
you're still clearly picking a fight and questioning the moderators @TwinCharged RX7 . Cease and desist.
Refuses to acknowledge any previous explanations or abide moderator request to redirect concerns to the correct venue, because he wants to play the victim.
Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
Define and explain the difference between "picking a fight" vs commenting about an inconsistency between how mods are moderating.
Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
If this comment warrants a forever ban, that's insane.
Actually, what's insane is you continuing to challenge moderators in other people's threads, despite a butt-ton of clear warnings and a lack of clear reasoning for doing so (except spite).
Clear explanation of things that have been explained and shouldn't need explanation:
Originally Posted by Narfle
Calling out mods specifically and challenging them in an unrelated thread is picking a fight and trolling. We've explained it to you clearly in multiple threads and PMs.
You have multiple infractions. Multiple temp bans. Documented history of disrespecting moderators and bashing paying vendors. We owe you zero further explanation. Your next infraction is your last. I should have already sent you packing for your post above. But, I have no problem letting you dig your own grave. Come back here with any comments on moderation, and you're gone. So how about you DROP IT, or direct your CONSTRUCTIVE questions and criticism to the suggestions section, as you've been directed.
Refusal to acknowledge previous clarity or direct issue to the correct venue:
Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
Again, I'm not trolling. I'm asking for a simple definition.
Refusal to acknowledge previous clarity II:
Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
Again, I'm not fighting, I'm asking for clarity, but a mod will not give a straight answer. Telling someone to "drop it" doesn't fix anything.
We have explained ourselves clearly at every point along the way. Ignoring repeated explanations is the very definition of ignorance. At this point, I'm not sure if it's physiological or willful.
We have tried explaining.
We have tried engaging.
We have invited your criticism in a different venue.
We have warned you clearly.
You continue to ruin threads with your bizarro Don Quixote BS.
I'm sending you on an extended vacation while we put you on trial with the other mods (which is a favor to you and respect to the other mods and admins, because I ought to just banish you to the rx7 wastelands right now)
To other members: Moderators are just members volunteering their time to maintain the forum. We're here to protect the users. We're trusted to use our judgement. We're happy to explain ourselves. And, we're happy to receive your commentary and constructive criticism, with the caveat that we expect respect and we expect it to not disrupt mainline threads and discussions. We're not paid, and we're not perfect. We don't see every single thing, and when we do we strive for consistency and clarity.
For the most part everyone does a really great job of contributing and abiding, but we have a few known knuckleheads who we are watching.
Personally, I'd rather be maintaining the classifieds by approving and editing threads and protecting buyers. And, I like posting here like the regular member I actually am (without breaking the 4th wall). But, I am the bad cop of moderators, and I will not tolerate consistent disrespect or willful rule breaking.
That car is currently at $21.5k and with 4 days to go is not bad at all. Agreed with others on the sentiment that to some people silver and red is a very desirable combination. My estimate is $33,000
I know we've all talked endlessly about the value of these cars but a practical perspective is ripe or timely because the majority of the high priced FDs (prices north of 25k) I see for sale are not selling.
I've bought and sold hundreds of these cars so it's really easy for me to wax on and on about it.
The biggest reason I see for the prices hitting a wall is the availability of good cars priced 20k and below. When I say good I just mean they are straight, no rust, decent interior etc...
Follow that up with the cost of refurbishing the above car and this is where the wall is created.
Now add in the fact that most irons in these cars are 25 plus years old (most 93s built in 92) and have seen better days and they will eventually fail because of rust etc....or in other words the engine will need to be rebuilt on even the lowest mileage FD unless the maintenance was stellar. This usually isn't the case. Most low mileage FDs just sit in someones storage facility which is a great way to create internal engine rust.
So the elephant in the room is obvious to me. Why would I spend 35k for an FD with 20k miles that's mint when I can still buy a good one for 17? When the price was 25k it made sense to get the expensive FD (low mileage FD) but 17k goes a long way and rust never sleeps so the older these cars get the less reliable the original engine will be.
Example below of a decent FD I'd buy long before buying a 30k plus priced FD. The one below may already be sold or will sell soon where as all the ones listed for 30k plus will sit on autotrader for years (until the market catches up to the price) unless the sellers wake up or decide to take that cough cough low ball offer.
Lets talk money and what that extra 17k you have in the bank will buy you. With some cars like the 993 911 for example the 17k will only rebuild your engine, BUT with the FD you get significantly more.
Engine 5k (NEW ENGINE)
Paint 7k (above car doesn't need paint)
Misc interior parts 2k (above car doesn't need interior work)
Used low mileage JDM trans 750 to 1k (every FD with 50k plus miles could use some trans work)
Labor to put said parts in 2k
So once the engine blows on the fairly priced FD you purchased you go through everything in the engine and you'll be out 7500 max BUT your engine should be solid for another 50k miles or more.
Over the winter you have it painted and put in some new weather stripping etc... 7k
Once the trans dies you either rebuild or replace 1500
etc...etc...
And it's not a matter of if on the original engine but when. So add 5k to your 35k total and it's starts to become pretty damn clear the FD isn't a good value at 30 or event 29k if you can still find them in good shape for 17k or anywhere below 20.
Anyway that's why you can't sell your FD for 30k if it has more than 30k miles on it. If someone decides to buy it well good for you (there is an *** for every seat), but if you want it to sell (and not waste money on taxes, storage fees, ins and or risk damage/mechanical loss), you may want to reconsider your price at this time.
There are clearly lots of FDs listed for 30k by owners who don't care if they sell and I am also sometimes in that camp so I understand the reason to keep it versus sell for anything less but if that's true then your car really isn't for sale, you are simply testing the market and your test failed LOL.
so what is everyone’s opinions on the actual resale value of a clean titled “roller” with a clean body (no engine or trans)
so what is everyone’s opinions on the actual resale value of a clean titled “roller” with a clean body (no engine or trans)
depending on the car it could range from 5k to 30k plus
5k......very clean stripped roller
30k very clean mostly stock FD with 10k miles and say 10k plus in bolt ons. Never seen one but that's about what it would be worth in the current market hehe
I'd say a bone stock well care for FD with 40k miles is worth 20k to 25k (depending upon model/year/etc...) with a blown engine. 15k to 20k without an engine.
My prediction of the Silver with red leather interior car currently on BAT is $42K. It's the cleanest car we've seen since the crazy Montego blue car that sold earlier this year for $70K+. Not sure what drove the frenzy on that car, other than the minty showroom condition, but this car is VERY nice, and at 39K, nearly new. We'll see when it hammers mid day tomorrrow!
Wow... ok, so this RHD Red FD just sold on BAT for $27K. I'm shocked, not at how low it went, but the fact that it made it North of $22K. No disrespect intended to the seller OR buyer if they frequent this thread, but so many things that would cause me to pause, or pass. Heavy metal corrosion (the result of years in Japan-land environment), chips, dents, dings. A bottom with heavy overspray. An interior that, quite frankly, needs a complete redo plastic-wise and dash-wise. The car had "claimed" low mileage and excellent compression. Interesting stuff!
Same car, as confirmed on FB. Apparently buyer was notified by C suite that he had to relocate and therefore backed out of the deal. BAT charged buyer $1500 and seller is SOL.
Originally Posted by Why
I’m suspecting the buyer never came through, it’s on Facebook market now for the same auction ending price.
What is everyone's take in regards to Auto FD's currently? There was one on BAT that was talked about earlier that sold for 15.5 I want to say. 35k miles I believe?
What price would one put on a 93 VR with black leather, R1 lip, spoiler, and sunroof, 75k miles, auto?
My prediction of the Silver with red leather interior car currently on BAT is $42K. It's the cleanest car we've seen since the crazy Montego blue car that sold earlier this year for $70K+. Not sure what drove the frenzy on that car, other than the minty showroom condition, but this car is VERY nice, and at 39K, nearly new. We'll see when it hammers mid day tomorrrow!
That could be a tough sell but it would definitely prove the market is strong. Also the SSM/red combo is rare so the right buyers (it only takes two hehe) may surface. There have been a lot of cars on BAT listed in this condition but very few presented this well. Again nmoffatt did an outstanding job with the listing. One of the best I've seen on BAT which is saying something.
Here's an example of a poorly listed low mileage FD and the result is as expected. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mazda-rx-7-27/ However buyers spending this sort of money generally know how to value a used car so things like paint correction, hardware replacement, rust removal and a really good cleaning will only go so far.
BOTTOMLINE: surface rust removal and cleaning a 25 year old classic car will pay dividends when it comes time to sell.
What is everyone's take in regards to Auto FD's currently? There was one on BAT that was talked about earlier that sold for 15.5 I want to say. 35k miles I believe?
What price would one put on a 93 VR with black leather, R1 lip, spoiler, and sunroof, 75k miles, auto?
On super clean low mileage FDs I'd say minus 10k minimum. BUT, condition (most important/maint/new engine, turbos etc...etc..), model, color, year, mods etc.... will all play a big role in it's value. In other words if a CW 95 base model exist it would bring good money but still likely 10k less than a manual.
AVG condition FDs minus 5k minimum.
So I'd estimate 10 to 15k for your car. The black interior is a big deal on this car and that will help your value if the interior is in good shape.
The FD was purchased by a Mazda dealer in Houston with the intention of displaying it on the showroom floor when they open one of the largest dealerships in the country. In my opinion this is probably the worst place it could go and I did not believe it initially so the deal almost fell through. I had no idea the bidder was a dealer and not a person!
I did some digging and confirmed the story about the new dealership was true and really did not want to restart this whole process again so I decided to move forward with the sale. BaT was no help to either side through this process as we both had questions and just worked it out ourselves. BaT customer service is non existent but I knew that going in and just wanted to see if they would actually reply to our e-mails.
I figure they will sit on the car for a few years then maybe try and sell it. It may never run again if it sits too long as we all know about Mazda's technical abilities in maintaining these cars...
At the end of the day I got close to what I wanted I just don't like where the FD is going. I guess I am too attached to it as I put so much time into it...
PM me if you have any specific questions about the whole BaT experience.
