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what banjo bolts are people using for the T2 4 piston calipers?

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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 03:16 PM
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what banjo bolts are people using for the T2 4 piston calipers?

i know a few of the SS brake line kits for the 4 piston calipers eliminates that damn short hard line and replaces it with a banjo bolt. i recently got some custom lines made for my SA with T2 brakes that does the same. now i need to aquire the banjo bolts to go with them. ive checked racing beat, mazdatrix, and any other source i could think of. no one sales them. so what are you guys using that use banjo bolts instead of the hard line?

will this work?

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
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Old Jun 30, 2007 | 12:18 PM
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Old Jul 1, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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No one is answering you because no one does this. Its pointless. Why would you replace a iron hard line with a longer length of braided hose? All that does is introduces a larger failure range and gives a longer length for hose expansion to occur. It reduces pedal feel. This is a performance downgrade.

No, that banjo bolt will not safely work. The stock hard line seals into the master cylinder with a 45" flare fitting. This can not safely be replaced with a banjo bolt.
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Old Jul 4, 2007 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by scathcart
No one is answering you because no one does this. Its pointless. Why would you replace a iron hard line with a longer length of braided hose? All that does is introduces a larger failure range and gives a longer length for hose expansion to occur. It reduces pedal feel. This is a performance downgrade.

No, that banjo bolt will not safely work. The stock hard line seals into the master cylinder with a 45" flare fitting. This can not safely be replaced with a banjo bolt.
If you are custom building the brake lines I don't see any problem removing the hard line- you're eliminating one connection (which is the most likely failure point) and I doubt you'd notice any change in pedal feel due to hose expansion.

The caliper IS designed to accept a flare fitting though and a banjo bolt would be an inappropriate substitution.
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Old Jul 4, 2007 | 07:04 AM
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The most likely failure point is where the fitting is crimped to the hose, and there are two of them per corner regardless of whether you eliminate the hard line.

The obvious solution is to buy the right lines for the car, that will directly replace the stock ones. Or save a bunch of money and actually buy new stock ones that'll give you just about the same improvement...
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 07:58 AM
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im not trying to remove the line that goes from the engine bay to the wheel well, im removing the line between the rubber line and the caliper. its a short length of metal line. if im not mistaken ive seen people buy mazdatrix's SS line kit and it came with a fitting and a banjo bolt to eliminate the hard line.

im wanting the banjo to go into the caliper, not anywhere else.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 08:08 AM
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Only the rear calipers are drilled to properly accept banjo bolts, the fronts are not.
I don't see any listing on Mazdatrix for a front line kit that uses a banjo bolt- or a kit that eliminates the hard line either, all their kits are just stock replacements using SS instead of rubber.

As I said before, it would be easy to custom fab a set of lines that were long enough to eliminate the hard line but you would have to use the correct fitting at the caliper end, not a banjo.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 04:21 PM
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yeah i use mazdatrix SS lines and theres no banjo fitting they attach directly to the hardlines, your trying to make an easy job way harder, caliper hard lines are there for a reason, a soft lne would bend too much in turning and possibly get damaged
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by aws140
im not trying to remove the line that goes from the engine bay to the wheel well, im removing the line between the rubber line and the caliper.
But why? It's completely pointless. Just do it properly and buy the right lines for the car. No custom work is required and the right fittings will be used.
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