I have a '91 Eclipse GS-T and was wondering if I could just get a manifold for my '86 RX-7 NA to put the stock 14B (TD05H Housing) onto it. Can anyone send me a link? Has it been done? I know that turbo is capable of 18 pounds of boost safely on the DSM, how about the RX-7?

 

1) You have no clue what turbocharging is all about.&nbsp Go read Maximum Boost by Corky Bell first.

2) You're going to blow your NA up.&nbsp You'll need to spend close to $1,000 just to make sure it can handle the boost, or blow the rest of the NA drivetrain up due to the increase of power.

3) The turbo is too small for a 13B.




-Ted

 

TD-05 Turbine? that's almost the size of the STOCK fc turbine...

 

Now that pisses me off, I've read that book twice. Unfortunately they don't cover rotary engines in it. Instead of ******* criticizing me why not make a useful comment like tell me what I said that's so wrong. Now tell me why it's too small for a 13B, because of the high revs? La de da, it'll still provide power through 2-4k, and that's better that nothing. Once again, don't be a ******* dick to someone you don't know, espcially when you're not even going to help.

 

Man, what a comeback. I didnt expect that.

 

its not that big a deal to have a manifold made. but why waste your time and money on that turbo.

and if you have time read the book for 3rd time

 

The compression on the N/A is too high to just slap on a turbo and expect a useable car. Also, after about 230hp, the stock drivetrain gets real easy to break...and that was new. Talk to Aaron Cake here on the forum. He just finished puttin a turbo on his n/a. Lots of work and custom fabricating stuff for the setup to even run. Good luck, and save your pennies for a TII...

 

Actually, that’s quite untrue, it's not the compression that's the problem.
But there are many other reasons why this is a waste of time. For starters, that turbo’s smaller than the one off a TII, which doesn’t require a custom manifold. Then there’s fuel requirements, drivetrain strength, etc, etc...

 

Ok dumbfuck, do you know...

1) What the stock compression is one your NA?
It's 9.4:1.&nbsp Go read up on compression ratios versus boost - this doesn't matter for piston or rotary.&nbsp Read the ******' book.

2) Do you have any clue on how much boost you can run with that compression ratio on pump gas?
You'll be lucky if you can run 15psi.&nbsp No way the stock ECU can do this, period.&nbsp 15psi with a stand-alone EMS with very conservative tuning.&nbsp Right there is a $1,000 purchase.&nbsp You'd be lucky you could run 10psi with the stock ECU - natch, your 18psi statement don't mean JACK, unless you feel like blowing engines up.

3) The last time I checked, the stock NA doesn't come with an intercooler - DUH - you need to run an IC anything above 7psi-10psi.&nbsp It's in the ******' book.&nbsp This means you want to run higher boost (i.e. 18psi) you need a front mount intercooler.&nbsp Oops, another $1,000, unless you're going try and get cheap and run some second hand OEM IC from some other turbo engine.

4) You need to beef up the stock fuel system.&nbsp I doubt your stock fuel injectors are adequate, and surely the stock NA fuel pump is inadequate.&nbsp Fuel pump (Walbro 255lph) is at least another $100.&nbsp Bigger fuel injectors is more money.&nbsp A'PEXi S-AFC is another $300.

Just right there, you're looking at easily $2,000 worth of mods just to get your stupid project rolling out your driveway.&nbsp Ideally, you're looking at a minimum $3,000 bunch of parts and over 100 hours of labor.&nbsp It's a ****** waste of time for maybe 300hp maximum due to the sheer limitations of the engine and pump gas - it's in the ******' book.&nbsp Going beyond that take more money, more labor, race gas - you willing to do that?

I think not.&nbsp Have a nice day...go back to high school.


-Ted

 

Now that was more helpful. First off, thanks, I didn't know the compression ratio off hand. Second, I asked how much boost you guys thought I could run, thanks for answering, although you didn't have to be a ***** about it. Third, no **** I need an intercooler, I wouldn't run a turbo without one. That's just common sense, did I ever mention not using an intercooler? Fourth, I'm aware of the fact that I'd need to beef up the fuel system, again, not what I was asking. And finally, I'm out of highschool for the summer

As for it not being worth it, I don't know about that, turbocharging is always where I go first for extra power. I know the 14B TD05H isn't the greatest, but it's what I have and it's free. Not to mention the fact that by merely replacing the compressor wheel it can be converted to a Big/16G and a 20G. I believe, though I don't know these cars very well, a 20G would be worth the hassle of the manifold, fuel system (I'd use an S-AFC anyway), and the intercooler. Any other brilliant comments, RETed?

 

Zenki turbo and manifold are practically "free" if you look for them.&nbsp You're better off selling that DSM turbo to a DSM owner who needs one.&nbsp Even the Zenki turbo and manifold off a Turbo II is an easier conversion that your DSM turbo.&nbsp Aaron Cake has write-ups on the stickys at the top of the list - go read them if you haven't already.


-Ted

 

I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship, LOL.

 

ph33r
I'm going back to Hawaii - want a honeymoon?


-Ted

 

Islands filled with scantilly clad asian women? HELL YES!

 

from what I can see everyone is trying to discourage you, it's well meant advice since turbocharging the N/A rotary is no easy task, but anything worth doing is never easy.
I just bought a tdo5h 14b w/ plans to turbo my engine, since I'm planning on swapping my stock 13b ( needs oil seals ) for a 13b-rew, I thought I would experiment on my ready to go 13b, who knows, maybe I'll just leave it as is.
Good Luck

 

Bro this thread is 9 years old.

 

you do know this was from 2002.....
the tdo5h 14B, even the 14G is way too small for a rotary engine. The turbo is smaller then the stock turbo for the FC.
With the size of the turbine on the tdo5h the turbo is going to run out of breath at 3-4krpm, the stock turbo for the fc runs out at 4-5krpm, after that the boost falls.

 

Nice zombie thread.

You'd probably make less peak HP with an itty-bitty 4 cyl. turbo than running NA. You'll get a brief wave of torque, then the tiny turbine / turbine housing will choke the life out of the engine. The torque curve will look like a parabola.

 

TII engine swap...enough said...

 

I didn't check the date, but anyhow, I think, I'm going to cancel the tdo5 thing.
You guys are right, it's too small.
What kinda turbo would be more recommended then?

 

t2 turbo for beginners.

 

if you just want a simple turbo setup, theres nothing wrong with the stock turbo setup, theres also tons of info already available on how to turbo the n.a engine.

 

lol this forum has gone soft since RETed stopped posting.