s2000 vs NA convert
07-19-07, 02:09 PM
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s2000 vs NA convert
About a month ago a group of my friends made a 90 mile trip to Jarabacoa, the road leading to that town is a beautiful mauntain twisty road, all the cars that made the trip where convertibles, audi tt, mustang v6, s2000, peugeot 306, 2 miatas, and my 1991 fc, I had just purchase the car and it was bone stock.
I was just as fast or faster than every car there except the s2000, he completely rape me, he was even making fumn of me, he would wait for me to catch up then he would blow pass me
the guy said that the only way I could beat or keep up with him was to go turbo
so enter today, I did the folloing things to my car:
-intake
-cat back exhaust
-headers
-E fan
-street port ( with a ported turbo center housing)
-aluminiun rad
-aluminiun fly wheel
-RB clucht
-custom made 4.88 diff ( this is from a race car I use to own)
-SAFC ( going to the dyno tomorrow to tune, looking for 200+rwhp)
- getting some good street racing radials on 16 inch FD wheels
Do you guys think I can take him or at least keep up?
will post pics of the next trip and maybe a little video
I was just as fast or faster than every car there except the s2000, he completely rape me, he was even making fumn of me, he would wait for me to catch up then he would blow pass me
the guy said that the only way I could beat or keep up with him was to go turbo
so enter today, I did the folloing things to my car:
-intake
-cat back exhaust
-headers
-E fan
-street port ( with a ported turbo center housing)
-aluminiun rad
-aluminiun fly wheel
-RB clucht
-custom made 4.88 diff ( this is from a race car I use to own)
-SAFC ( going to the dyno tomorrow to tune, looking for 200+rwhp)
- getting some good street racing radials on 16 inch FD wheels
Do you guys think I can take him or at least keep up?
will post pics of the next trip and maybe a little video
07-19-07, 02:20 PM
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look into Pinneaple racing intake sleeves for a couple more HP. Tune that SAFC and try to remove as much weight as you can from the Vert.
rather than asking us if you can KEEP UP or BEAT him you should be telling us if your MODS helped. WE won't know until you tell us.
Good to see the rotary in the caribbean, I would LOVE to see pics of all your cars!!!
rather than asking us if you can KEEP UP or BEAT him you should be telling us if your MODS helped. WE won't know until you tell us.
Good to see the rotary in the caribbean, I would LOVE to see pics of all your cars!!!
07-19-07, 02:24 PM
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I remove the sleeves
before installing the SAFC the car improve a complete second of the 1/4 acording to my gtech, I removed all the things that I could.
before installing the SAFC the car improve a complete second of the 1/4 acording to my gtech, I removed all the things that I could.
07-19-07, 02:26 PM
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07-19-07, 02:33 PM
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look into Pinneaple racing intake sleeves for a couple more HP
Nevermind, he just posted he has no sleeves. :p
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Short of cracking the block, I don't think you're going to be able to keep up. Possibly with some intake mods, but even still the stock engine is pretty lacking.
07-19-07, 04:59 PM
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Just be happy with your car. There's a solid 15 year gap in engineering methods and technology between your two cars.
You'll never enjoy the car if you measure it's abilities by comparing it to other cars... especially an NA hehe. I love to drive my FC and no 300hp AWD grocery getter is going to change how sweet it is..
You'll never enjoy the car if you measure it's abilities by comparing it to other cars... especially an NA hehe. I love to drive my FC and no 300hp AWD grocery getter is going to change how sweet it is..
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Just be happy with your car. There's a solid 15 year gap in engineering methods and technology between your two cars.
You'll never enjoy the car if you measure it's abilities by comparing it to other cars... especially an NA hehe. I love to drive my FC and no 300hp AWD grocery getter is going to change how sweet it is..
You'll never enjoy the car if you measure it's abilities by comparing it to other cars... especially an NA hehe. I love to drive my FC and no 300hp AWD grocery getter is going to change how sweet it is..
If I can get a bit over 200rwhp Im sure I can keep up, I donit really care if I cn win or not I just want to keep up, and since I had all the parts, what the heck
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Without some serious porting work and a new intake manifold there is very little likelihood you will ever catch up to him without boost or juice. Sucks, but its the case.
His car is a high strung sports car, yours is more like a grand touring car.
Both cars weigh about the same, maybe 100lbs difference, but you are going to need to get up to about 200 whp to get equal to him. WItht he streetport you MAY have success with ITBs, but to my knowledge only a few people on this board have done that, and really they talk about the character of the car changing, and not who they beat up on.
if you are interested www.fuji-racing.com has a bolt on ITB kit, but you are looking at $3k plus time(or labor) for the kit. Its up to you whether or not that is worth the effort.
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His car is a high strung sports car, yours is more like a grand touring car.
Both cars weigh about the same, maybe 100lbs difference, but you are going to need to get up to about 200 whp to get equal to him. WItht he streetport you MAY have success with ITBs, but to my knowledge only a few people on this board have done that, and really they talk about the character of the car changing, and not who they beat up on.
if you are interested www.fuji-racing.com has a bolt on ITB kit, but you are looking at $3k plus time(or labor) for the kit. Its up to you whether or not that is worth the effort.
BC
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It all depends on your driving skill, his driving skill, the general speed of the roads (narrower tighter turns or long sweepers), and your tires. I have a '99 Integra. At some point it had every imaginable suspension upgrade possible but no engine mods beside a generic intake. When the car had bone stock suspension I could keep up with a stock '91 nissan sentra 
. After I upgraded the springs, got camber kits F&R, and went to mid level performance tires with a decent alignment I was a front runner in many car groups and small meets. My friend, a car and bike junkie who participates in many track events, usually leads and is the fastest among our circle, however at the track he will be within the top 5 although not always 1st. He has done everything besides wheel to wheel racing, in cars ranging from a pink 240 sx with an sr20 swap, teins, full cage drift car, to a grip setup gutted 240 sx with toyo ra-1's full cage, ground controls & ers and roll center adjusters. He sold his japanese cars, bought an yamaha r1, and a z06. He was almost as fast in the stock z06 as his 240's in narrower twisties but on the track with long straightaways and sweepers the z06 was unstoppable. He was passing supercharged time attack miatas and 350+ hp evos at the track (modded z06). I would keep up with his z06 in the twistier mountain roads in my integra (with no swaybars but insanely stiff springs) when he wasn't going ***** to the walls 10/10ths (public roads 
). There are too many variables really to figure out what you'd need to beat that s2000, you being the biggest variable. My friend hangs out at the local boba shop in town where all the togue kids with their sti's and evos and suped up 240s and bimmers meet up and follows them to the local mountains and smokes them in his grandmothers automatic mercury tracer to humble them. But he likes to keep the racing on the track now that he's a bit older and more mature (plus we've witnessed to many eager hopefulls drive into or off of mountain walls 
).
. After I upgraded the springs, got camber kits F&R, and went to mid level performance tires with a decent alignment I was a front runner in many car groups and small meets. My friend, a car and bike junkie who participates in many track events, usually leads and is the fastest among our circle, however at the track he will be within the top 5 although not always 1st. He has done everything besides wheel to wheel racing, in cars ranging from a pink 240 sx with an sr20 swap, teins, full cage drift car, to a grip setup gutted 240 sx with toyo ra-1's full cage, ground controls & ers and roll center adjusters. He sold his japanese cars, bought an yamaha r1, and a z06. He was almost as fast in the stock z06 as his 240's in narrower twisties but on the track with long straightaways and sweepers the z06 was unstoppable. He was passing supercharged time attack miatas and 350+ hp evos at the track (modded z06). I would keep up with his z06 in the twistier mountain roads in my integra (with no swaybars but insanely stiff springs) when he wasn't going ***** to the walls 10/10ths (public roads ). There are too many variables really to figure out what you'd need to beat that s2000, you being the biggest variable. My friend hangs out at the local boba shop in town where all the togue kids with their sti's and evos and suped up 240s and bimmers meet up and follows them to the local mountains and smokes them in his grandmothers automatic mercury tracer to humble them. But he likes to keep the racing on the track now that he's a bit older and more mature (plus we've witnessed to many eager hopefulls drive into or off of mountain walls ).
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You aren't going to get to 200whp without serious porting work and a lot of money. It's not even worth it to shut him up, just do a turbo swap, get twice the power for the same money then shut him up.
07-20-07, 02:40 AM
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you did all of that in one day to your car hmmmm
btw the s2000 will still take you out .. they run 14.1 and ive seen some pull 13.9 on quarters stock ... couple that with a similar powerband to the fc (all up top and high rpm redline) and the s2000 will still walk on you.
unless you spray the **** out of your engine then yea .. your not going to be able to keep up with him on straights ... however on the twistys is a diferent story . .especially if you ahve your coilovers dialled in properly.
btw the s2000 will still take you out .. they run 14.1 and ive seen some pull 13.9 on quarters stock ... couple that with a similar powerband to the fc (all up top and high rpm redline) and the s2000 will still walk on you.
unless you spray the **** out of your engine then yea .. your not going to be able to keep up with him on straights ... however on the twistys is a diferent story . .especially if you ahve your coilovers dialled in properly.
07-20-07, 03:17 AM
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Tell you what, if we can figure out how to meet,(never happen i'm 4000 miles away) i will trade you my turbo vert for your cosmo.
As much fun as the vert is, without the turbo in it, its just slow. Don't get me wrong I loved my vert on nice days. But then i would drive my S4 turbo and forget how much fun it was to have some power. Now that It's turboed (sp?!?!) i love it. I'm pretty sure your "friend" is right, you won't beat him with out the turbo.
Now that being said your FD should dust him.
As much fun as the vert is, without the turbo in it, its just slow. Don't get me wrong I loved my vert on nice days. But then i would drive my S4 turbo and forget how much fun it was to have some power. Now that It's turboed (sp?!?!) i love it. I'm pretty sure your "friend" is right, you won't beat him with out the turbo.
Now that being said your FD should dust him.
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It all depends on your driving skill, his driving skill, the general speed of the roads (narrower tighter turns or long sweepers), and your tires. I have a '99 Integra. At some point it had every imaginable suspension upgrade possible but no engine mods beside a generic intake. When the car had bone stock suspension I could keep up with a stock '91 nissan sentra . After I upgraded the springs, got camber kits F&R, and went to mid level performance tires with a decent alignment I was a front runner in many car groups and small meets. My friend, a car and bike junkie who participates in many track events, usually leads and is the fastest among our circle, however at the track he will be within the top 5 although not always 1st. He has done everything besides wheel to wheel racing, in cars ranging from a pink 240 sx with an sr20 swap, teins, full cage drift car, to a grip setup gutted 240 sx with toyo ra-1's full cage, ground controls & ers and roll center adjusters. He sold his japanese cars, bought an yamaha r1, and a z06. He was almost as fast in the stock z06 as his 240's in narrower twisties but on the track with long straightaways and sweepers the z06 was unstoppable. He was passing supercharged time attack miatas and 350+ hp evos at the track (modded z06). I would keep up with his z06 in the twistier mountain roads in my integra (with no swaybars but insanely stiff springs) when he wasn't going ***** to the walls 10/10ths (public roads ). There are too many variables really to figure out what you'd need to beat that s2000, you being the biggest variable. My friend hangs out at the local boba shop in town where all the togue kids with their sti's and evos and suped up 240s and bimmers meet up and follows them to the local mountains and smokes them in his grandmothers automatic mercury tracer to humble them. But he likes to keep the racing on the track now that he's a bit older and more mature (plus we've witnessed to many eager hopefulls drive into or off of mountain walls ).
. After I upgraded the springs, got camber kits F&R, and went to mid level performance tires with a decent alignment I was a front runner in many car groups and small meets. My friend, a car and bike junkie who participates in many track events, usually leads and is the fastest among our circle, however at the track he will be within the top 5 although not always 1st. He has done everything besides wheel to wheel racing, in cars ranging from a pink 240 sx with an sr20 swap, teins, full cage drift car, to a grip setup gutted 240 sx with toyo ra-1's full cage, ground controls & ers and roll center adjusters. He sold his japanese cars, bought an yamaha r1, and a z06. He was almost as fast in the stock z06 as his 240's in narrower twisties but on the track with long straightaways and sweepers the z06 was unstoppable. He was passing supercharged time attack miatas and 350+ hp evos at the track (modded z06). I would keep up with his z06 in the twistier mountain roads in my integra (with no swaybars but insanely stiff springs) when he wasn't going ***** to the walls 10/10ths (public roads ). There are too many variables really to figure out what you'd need to beat that s2000, you being the biggest variable. My friend hangs out at the local boba shop in town where all the togue kids with their sti's and evos and suped up 240s and bimmers meet up and follows them to the local mountains and smokes them in his grandmothers automatic mercury tracer to humble them. But he likes to keep the racing on the track now that he's a bit older and more mature (plus we've witnessed to many eager hopefulls drive into or off of mountain walls ).
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you did all of that in one day to your car hmmmm
btw the s2000 will still take you out .. they run 14.1 and ive seen some pull 13.9 on quarters stock ... couple that with a similar powerband to the fc (all up top and high rpm redline) and the s2000 will still walk on you.
unless you spray the **** out of your engine then yea .. your not going to be able to keep up with him on straights ... however on the twistys is a diferent story . .especially if you ahve your coilovers dialled in properly.
btw the s2000 will still take you out .. they run 14.1 and ive seen some pull 13.9 on quarters stock ... couple that with a similar powerband to the fc (all up top and high rpm redline) and the s2000 will still walk on you.
unless you spray the **** out of your engine then yea .. your not going to be able to keep up with him on straights ... however on the twistys is a diferent story . .especially if you ahve your coilovers dialled in properly.
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I came up with a plan, im going to meet with my father in laws friend that has an s2000, do a couple of runs and see what happens
Please remember im not really looking to beat him, if I can keep up Ive won, I know Im not going to take him in a strait line, but maybe with all the mods Im doing I can keep up in the twisties, and this is not an all out race, its a group of people doing a long trip for fun, if it was a all out race I would race in my FD when the 20b swap is done
If the SAFC does not get me there I have a haltec here, and im sure Ill do a briged port since I have a bridge ported engine in my garage, but im sure I will go back to almost stock in a few month
Im not going turbo, I have enough turbo cars as it is, and I allready made a turbo vert and sold it
Please remember im not really looking to beat him, if I can keep up Ive won, I know Im not going to take him in a strait line, but maybe with all the mods Im doing I can keep up in the twisties, and this is not an all out race, its a group of people doing a long trip for fun, if it was a all out race I would race in my FD when the 20b swap is done
If the SAFC does not get me there I have a haltec here, and im sure Ill do a briged port since I have a bridge ported engine in my garage, but im sure I will go back to almost stock in a few month
Im not going turbo, I have enough turbo cars as it is, and I allready made a turbo vert and sold it
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Might as well do the throttle body mod while you are at it, lose even more low end power.
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