Rx-7 VS FF
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Rx-7 VS FF
Ok this is my dumb idiot of a brother's doing but he continues to say that a FF vehicle will out drift my S5 N/a. Now again I am not saying that these FF layout vehicles are all that great. One is a 16v 4cyl 91 Jetta and the car my bro drives is a dead stock 91 gallant. I tell him and try to explain the whole physics behind the concept but he just doesn't get it.
And than he pulls in all this rallying **** about how him and his damn friends rally around some dumb clay race track. From here I axplain to him that rally cars are super light, have huge hair dryers attached to them and have a 4wd layout to them. I also explain to him the power differance that the cars have over my RX along with the fact that they rarely drift on the road which leads to "oh well I am comming hard around this right hand corner......what if there is someone comming up the other side." This installs fear and causes one to mess up or pick a slower, more cautious line.
I don't know who the **** would win an Rx-7 or a damn ff layout car like the above mentioned?
And than he pulls in all this rallying **** about how him and his damn friends rally around some dumb clay race track. From here I axplain to him that rally cars are super light, have huge hair dryers attached to them and have a 4wd layout to them. I also explain to him the power differance that the cars have over my RX along with the fact that they rarely drift on the road which leads to "oh well I am comming hard around this right hand corner......what if there is someone comming up the other side." This installs fear and causes one to mess up or pick a slower, more cautious line.
I don't know who the **** would win an Rx-7 or a damn ff layout car like the above mentioned?
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I'm not sure what your asking but
But skylines are RWD (some of them) Silvia S13's are RWD RX-7s RWD 240SX RWD
Now they would outdrift and FF car
IF thats what your asking
But skylines are RWD (some of them) Silvia S13's are RWD RX-7s RWD 240SX RWD
Now they would outdrift and FF car
IF thats what your asking
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Ok this is my dumb idiot of a brother's doing but he continues to say that a FF vehicle will out drift my S5 N/a
this thread sucks.
Punch your brother in the face.
And than he pulls in all this rallying **** about how him and his damn friends rally around some dumb clay race track. From here I axplain to him that rally cars are super light, have huge hair dryers attached to them and have a 4wd layout to them. I also explain to him the power differance that the cars have over my RX along with the fact that they rarely drift on the road which leads to "oh well I am comming hard around this right hand corner......what if there is someone comming up the other side." This installs fear and causes one to mess up or pick a slower, more cautious line.
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Originally posted by jacobcartmill
this thread sucks.
this thread sucks.
fwd can drift if the suspension setting are right. rally drivers used toe out mostly to get this affect. i used it on my camry and if hooked up right, i could get the rear to oversteer while on the gas. however, as a negative, you'd better damn well know how to control it under braking as it will turn around faster then you can **** yourself. as for all the clay track babble, um sure.
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Hehehe yeah it did come out wrong, I was just venting more or likely from my brother's mass amount of intelect. I am just really pissed off when people call stuff drifting when they do it with some dumb car like a jetta. It is *** draging and no they don't use the ebrake they use left foot breaking. I was just venting, sorry guys
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It is *** draging and no they don't use the ebrake they use left foot breaking.
It is *** draging and no they don't use the ebrake they use left foot breaking.
Not that you can't left foot brake in a standerd trans, it's just that you generally heel-toe in a manual.
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Originally posted by jeremy
lol
fwd can drift if the suspension setting are right. rally drivers used toe out mostly to get this affect. i used it on my camry and if hooked up right, i could get the rear to oversteer while on the gas. however, as a negative, you'd better damn well know how to control it under braking as it will turn around faster then you can **** yourself. as for all the clay track babble, um sure.
lol
fwd can drift if the suspension setting are right. rally drivers used toe out mostly to get this affect. i used it on my camry and if hooked up right, i could get the rear to oversteer while on the gas. however, as a negative, you'd better damn well know how to control it under braking as it will turn around faster then you can **** yourself. as for all the clay track babble, um sure.
a drift is a controd slide where as you use tire spin to control the angle your at, i cant see how you could conrol a slide using your fronttires
your right that rally drivers use negative toe (on the rear wheels) to help induce oversteer, (along with positive toe up front) but that isnt drifting, its just a power slide, and if its a fwd car, your just sliding around
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Drifting isn't for racing, it's for show. Therefore, whichever car had the most stickers and the loudest BOV would win a drift event. As for racing, whichever car didn't drift would be the fastest, with all other factors being equal.
What do you mean by FF car? Fast and the Furious car? Obviously your definition isn't the same as mine, because Formula Fords don't drift.
http://www.bmrc.co.uk/championships/ff.htm
What do you mean by FF car? Fast and the Furious car? Obviously your definition isn't the same as mine, because Formula Fords don't drift.
http://www.bmrc.co.uk/championships/ff.htm
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FF - front engine Front Wheel Drive
your Formula Fords don't? we have a guy that drifts somewhat in his Formula Mazda. he pulls in one of the best times around the track. correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought drifting would actually improve times if used at the appropriate curves. sure, we'd all love perfect traction, but they're cars, not shifter karts.
your Formula Fords don't? we have a guy that drifts somewhat in his Formula Mazda. he pulls in one of the best times around the track. correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought drifting would actually improve times if used at the appropriate curves. sure, we'd all love perfect traction, but they're cars, not shifter karts.
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Originally posted by Liquid Anarchy
...FF can't drift, they throw their asses around, PERIOD...
...ask him a drift technique for his FF car that DOESN'T involve the e-brake...
...FF can't drift, they throw their asses around, PERIOD...
...ask him a drift technique for his FF car that DOESN'T involve the e-brake...
It is easy to drift a ff car. Take a curve hard on a wet road and then hit the brakes (not ebrakes). Bam, the rear end swings out and you have an awesome (or dangerous depending on driving ability) two node oscillation involving gripping front wheels and drifting rears.
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Take a curve hard on a wet road and then hit the brakes (not ebrakes). Bam, the rear end swings out and you have an awesome (or dangerous depending on driving ability) two node oscillation involving gripping front wheels and drifting rears.
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Originally posted by CrackHeadMel
im pretty sure a fwd car cannot drift by definition
a drift is a controd slide where as you use tire spin to control the angle your at, i cant see how you could conrol a slide using your fronttires
your right that rally drivers use negative toe (on the rear wheels) to help induce oversteer, (along with positive toe up front) but that isnt drifting, its just a power slide, and if its a fwd car, your just sliding around
-Jacob
im pretty sure a fwd car cannot drift by definition
a drift is a controd slide where as you use tire spin to control the angle your at, i cant see how you could conrol a slide using your fronttires
your right that rally drivers use negative toe (on the rear wheels) to help induce oversteer, (along with positive toe up front) but that isnt drifting, its just a power slide, and if its a fwd car, your just sliding around
-Jacob
also positive toe i have never heard of being used in the front. my settings where an 1/8 of and inch overall front and rear. then i pulled the front into 1/16 to control tire wear with the -1.5* i had. in the rear its used to control oversteer in rwd applications, especially high hp. that is the only toe-in application i know of.
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by that defintion i've probably drifted my fwd car better then you in your rwd. my car would be sliding and i would be controlling the throttle to keep the maximum grip on the front tires and keep the rear swinging.
also positive toe i have never heard of being used in the front.
from my reading from a couple of sites (which i will source if you want, but it might take me a few) a slight toe-out upfront helps to point the car in the direction you want by way of each tire fighting eachother for traction
in the rear its used to control oversteer in rwd applications, especially high hp. that is the only toe-in application i know of.
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toe-in will cause the weighted wheel to attempt to "steer" in the direction pointed. thus our ghey toe changing rear suspension. it toes out at slow speeds to help the car turn but at higher g's toes in to help control oversteer. if the wheel is trying to turn into the direction of steer, then it will be less likely to oversteer. the reason you never see, that i've heard of, toe-in on the front is that as you turn the wheel and the car turns, the inside wheel is tracking a tighter arc. with a little toe-out the inside front stays truer to its line intstead of scrubbing and fighting against the outside tire to steer out. however in a straight line both tires will scrub and increase tire wear. with my 1.5* negative camber and the toe-out in the front i was seeing enormous inner tire wear. i brought both down a bit to compensate but the damage was already done. teething troubles.
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hmm i guess i should re-read what i have read, i must of goten it wrong becuase what you have said makes complete sence.
so rear toe-in would make it harder to induce an oversteer? would it help maintain control at all or just aid in accelearation of tire wear?
-Jacob
so rear toe-in would make it harder to induce an oversteer? would it help maintain control at all or just aid in accelearation of tire wear?
-Jacob
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Originally posted by Phu5ion
Somehow i knew they were driving automatics.
Not that you can't left foot brake in a standerd trans, it's just that you generally heel-toe in a manual.
Somehow i knew they were driving automatics.
Not that you can't left foot brake in a standerd trans, it's just that you generally heel-toe in a manual.
Heel-toe is mainly used to downshift. Left foot braking is totally different. Simple terms--> keep your foot on the gas while braking with your left foot going into turns.
I dont feel like getting into more detail but alot of FF drivers use this technique.
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Originally posted by CrackHeadMel
hmm i guess i should re-read what i have read, i must of goten it wrong becuase what you have said makes complete sence.
so rear toe-in would make it harder to induce an oversteer? would it help maintain control at all or just aid in accelearation of tire wear?
-Jacob
hmm i guess i should re-read what i have read, i must of goten it wrong becuase what you have said makes complete sence.
so rear toe-in would make it harder to induce an oversteer? would it help maintain control at all or just aid in accelearation of tire wear?
-Jacob
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as soon as i can afford it, the eliminator bushings are going into my car.
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just remember, most can make hp. it is suspension tuning that is the black art, lol. there are many different ideas on this. some suggest using springs and dampers as you main cornering tuning, some swaybars. so its a sort through, learn and become knowlegable game. of course if i don't make sense, i blame it on 4 glasses of wine. hope i've been some help.
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