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Removed Rat's Nest, Vacuum for FPR?

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Old Mar 25, 2015 | 07:09 PM
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MO Removed Rat's Nest, Vacuum for FPR?

Hey everybody, like the title says. I removed my rat's nest, and was wondering where is a good place to get vacuum for the FPR?
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Old Mar 25, 2015 | 07:46 PM
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I'm not sure if it's the same on an NA, but on a TII we use a nipple right where the subzero used to be, under the UIM.
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Old Mar 25, 2015 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DC5Daniel
I'm not sure if it's the same on an NA, but on a TII we use a nipple right where the subzero used to be, under the UIM.
Can anybody confirm or deny this is a logical location for an S4 N/A?
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 07:14 AM
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What is the FPR, and what kind of vacuum signal does it need?
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 07:28 AM
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FPR= Fuel Pressure Regulator
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 07:29 AM
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What kind of vacuum signal does it want? Manifold, constant, or something otherwise modified?
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 07:36 AM
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Manifold, I would imagine.
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 07:38 AM
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It would certainly make sense since fuel regulator would probably want a vacuum signal in order to regulate fuel delivery, a metric based on fuel need, which is in turn dictated by throttle position (and RPM). Sounds like any vacuum port coming from the manifold engine-side of the throttle plate itself would be a viable candidate.
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 09:29 AM
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I have a few spots on the intake manifold I can use then.
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 10:07 AM
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Anything between the throttle and the keg would have the same vacuum signal.
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 08:58 PM
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This is the location I chose, on the LIM passenger side:

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Old Mar 27, 2015 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spectre6000
It would certainly make sense since fuel regulator would probably want a vacuum signal in order to regulate fuel delivery, a metric based on fuel need, which is in turn dictated by throttle position (and RPM). Sounds like any vacuum port coming from the manifold engine-side of the throttle plate itself would be a viable candidate.
It's not quite that complicated.
Fuel pressure determines injector spray pattern. When the intake manifold is under vacuum due to closed, or partially closed, throttle plates, the injectors are also under vacuum, and when the injector opens, the vacuum attempts to suck the fuel into the engine.
Similarly, under boost, the manifold pressure attempts to push the fuel back into the rail.
So, to keep the pressure differential roughly a constant ~40-45 psi, the fuel pressure is referenced to the intake pressure, dropping the rail pressure approximately 1 psi for every 2 inches of vacuum, and increasing rail pressure at 1:1 for every psi of boost.
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Old Mar 27, 2015 | 12:31 PM
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Good to know the specific whys and hows. Your application specific explanation of what's going on sounds a bit more complicated than I described (I certainly didn't allow for any consideration for forced induction, spray pattern, etc.). Some day I'll figure out all this newfangled electrickery...

Regardless, the end result is the same. Anything between the throttle plate and the intake port will get the job done. It's all the same signal; whatever is most convenient.
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