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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 02:21 AM
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Intake flow and differences in round piping and the square shapped AFM.....

Ok I just ran some numbers for my plans on the cold air intake that I am making.

I measured the stock AFM opening and found it to be 3" by 3.5" the total area of that rectangle is 10.5"(L X W) Now I plan on using 2.75" pipe but I have found that it is less area than the square shape in the AFM. I measured the area of a 3" diameter pipe and got 7.06"(Pi X R X R) I punched out the numbers for 3.5 inch and got 9.62" and a 4" pipe would be 12.56" square. Is this a majore problem? I mean does the round pipe designe flow better enough to make up for the difference in size?

I don't want to make an intake that is too small for a good HP gain.

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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 02:53 AM
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I dunno. Get one of these and see what happens
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 03:22 AM
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Are these things really bad?
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 04:51 AM
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Re: Intake flow and differences in round piping and the square shapped AFM.....

Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
I measured the stock AFM opening and found it to be 3" by 3.5"...
This first thing you should do is learn to use a ruler...

The AFM opening is 2.5" x 2", which is about the same area as a 2.5" pipe. This doesn't really matter though, because no matter what the size of the AFM, the bigger the intake pipe, the less the restriction it causes. Make it as big as possible, aiming for a minimium 3".
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 05:00 AM
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oh ****!!!

lol I soooo botched the damn messuring lol. My bad Ok it will work then.
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 11:59 AM
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Re: Re: Intake flow and differences in round piping and the square shapped AFM.....

Originally posted by NZConvertible
This doesn't really matter though, because no matter what the size of the AFM, the bigger the intake pipe, the less the restriction it causes. Make it as big as possible, aiming for a minimium 3".
I'm going to disagree with this. The bigger the pipe, the less velocity for a given amount of air. This means less momentum. A smaller pipe would allow for more momentum due to higher velocity, but also creates more drag at higher airflow numbers due to the higher velocity increasing drag at the rate of the square of the airspeed. As you can see, what you need to do is size your pipe for the airflow rate. The intake pipe is just like the exhaust pipe, where larger isn't necessarily better.

You can flare the front of your intake pipe a little bit like NZConvertible mentioned if you want to make a bellmouth inlet duct (aka intake trumpet, horn, or velocity stack) directly behind the air filter. However, the aspect ratio of the flare is pretty critical and may or may not increase performance. Plan on lots of trial and error.
http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1948/naca-tn-1785/

As for the round to square transition, your main concern is going to be smooth flow through the transition. If the air has to ram into flashing, bends, ridges, etc., as it transitions from the round tube to the square AFM it is going to incur a terrible drag penalty. See my post here about the HKS adapter, which you will see transitions well and also maintains a uniform cross-sectional area fairly well:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=197293
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 02:25 PM
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I wonder if velocity is really such a big deal, considering the air is going to slam into the AFM and then head into the accordian style stock intake tube. I would imagine that those things combined do quite a number on airflow...
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 02:44 PM
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I plan to also make a replacement mandrel bent pipe for that peice aswell but I am going to have to look at all the bends in it and see if it is worth it to make.
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 05:11 PM
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how about the AEM v2 intake, seen some dyno numbers on some of those pretty neat man make alot of power for just an INTAKE , but anyways how about mimicing those... with alot of math im sure you can find out the right combination.... if youve seen the v2 intake youll know what im talking about
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 05:15 PM
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got any links?
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 08:53 PM
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www.aempower.com i think thats the link
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 08:57 PM
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Well they don't make an intake that I could find for the FC.

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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 09:24 PM
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well why dont u use the stock intake, put a cap on top of the AFM. u can use a universal bracket(which is made for Mazda) to attach the cone filter on the front!! this is a easy way to mod ur air intake!! it only cost like $50 USD from ur local import performace shop(if acceptable). u can also put a plexiglass wall like thing around the filter in the corner of ur engine bay(where the filter ends) to simulate a cool air box!!

a friend did that to his work just as good he says. =p

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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 09:37 PM
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This is a real cold or cool air intake not like the ones we all usually have with the box. this will lower temperatures quite a bit gaining performance. Plus this will eliminate the need for a box. And it will cost just about what all the others cost but it will be cool air not warm air like the ones we all have.

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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 10:33 PM
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I agree with the wave tuning (like the AEM) on the intake piping. I've been racking my brain on what the proper sizes would be for a car like ours, but still not sure yet. Can't wait to see what comes out of Factoria de Santiago !

PS- About time someone said that Santiago
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 10:44 PM
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lol LMAO!!!!!


Our Proper name is "AZ-Tech Rotary" Hopefully my friend can get our website up for us soon

Santiago

I kinda looked into the V2 intake thing but I don't know how the formula works.
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