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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 09:49 PM
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i need parts for FD into FC swap kit

hi everybody!
i need an ecu adaptor harness so i can put the plugs from my '88 FC body into the '93 FD ecu that matches my motor.

i would really like to have some bolt-on mounts for the motor and tranny, but i can do that the hard way... lol....

a driveshaft that will take my tranny to the old diff would be nice.

i already have harnesses galore and almost enough willpower to make it do itself!

if you have any info that might be useful please let me know! i've been looking for months and haven't found anything yet!
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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there is no such adapter.

banzai racing makes the mounts

use the t2 tranny and drive train
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 10:11 PM
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there is no point in running a stock FD ECU. Even FD's don't run stock ECU's with anything more than like an intake and catback.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 02:49 AM
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get a standalone
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 06:32 AM
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Our mounts are for installing a Cosmo 13b-re or 20B in an FC and will not work with the FD13b-rew. If you use the FC harnesses then we have an adapter that will allow you to use the FD ECU or Power FC. As mentioned already it does not make sense to run the stock ECU as it will not be able to support the engine in this application. This is not a drop in swap regardless of how you do it. There is a lot of custom fabricationg and lots of electrical wiring to take care of.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 12:29 PM
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i don't know a whole lot about electronic engine management yet..... is it possible to run a standalone ecu and keep my old stock ecu hooked up to the gauges, suspension, ignition, etc?

or how would i need to do that in order to keep the adjustable suspension and other electronic options that came with the car?
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 02:34 PM
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So this is an N/A, you have a longer road ahead then you think. Start searching TII conversions first...
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by timarbeau
i don't know a whole lot about electronic engine management yet..... is it possible to run a standalone ecu and keep my old stock ecu hooked up to the gauges, suspension, ignition, etc?
In a turbo FC, the only gauge functionality you lose when you throw it in the trash is the stock boost gauge. As for your suspension, it shouldn't be affected by removal of the ECU. Chances are, at this age, the stock adjustable suspension either A) is worn out and due for replacement anyways or B) well actually the first reason is good enough

Again for clarification - you'll lose nothing of value when you throw the stock ECU away in a turbo car (unless you value the stock boost gauge).

EDIT: If it is an N/A, I've got no personal experience installing a standalone in them, but I'd imagine its *mostly* the same. Maybe you'd lose the voltmeter? Don't know though.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:50 PM
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found the mounts...

http://00ef783.netsolhost.com/produc...dada6c86f04cbe
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:55 PM
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EDIT: If it is an N/A, I've got no personal experience installing a standalone in them, but I'd imagine its *mostly* the same. Maybe you'd lose the voltmeter? Don't know though.
nope, I have an S5 NA gauge cluster in my TII with a megasquirt, the voltgauge still works fine
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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sell what you have and buy the correct engine/trany/driveshaft
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:51 PM
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**** buying those mount's... just drill and tap the intermediate housing and use the stock mount's.. people make a big deal out of nothing.. i'm doing a semi pp rew in my tii right now and all that need's to be done is to drill that out.. the guy that make's those post's on nopistions.com .. i think his user name is mazdaspeed7.. not sure though... i heard from dan at atkins that those mount's aren't that great.. he used a set on his b series rew swap. that's my 2 cent's.

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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You need the ole FD engine to FC adaptor kit I think Reted sells them PM him.

J/K of course

I think we need a sticky of poeple who have done the swap
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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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Not that difficult.
Best bet is to go with a Haltech or something along those lines.
Stuff adds up, such as all the little things to make it work, or if you're building up a shortblock, it takes time.
If you're using the stock FC oil cooler, you'll need an adapter for the the front housing, the lines reach, but you might as well just get -AN lines and fittings.

I havent tried to put the drive shaft in, but I think you might need one made. I have an auto shaft and an NA manual shaft so we'll see.

The only thing Im having troubles with is wiring my coils. The haltech was previously used in an FD so Im not sure what I need to change in Halwin. The coils are wired properly, but I'll get through it.
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 08:06 AM
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i looked at those mounts and i agree... there would be a lot of torque on them from the motor weight. i still have my old mounts, so i'll just drill and tap the housing! i may have to use the old oilpan too...

i will need a custom driveshaft, but i think i know a place that can do that.

soo i should get a haltech standalone system? i wonder if i could put haltech on the motor and leave the stock ecu to run the body....
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 09:12 AM
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Run the body?? The ECU doesn't have anything to do with the body
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 09:54 AM
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I think I may be opening a whole new can of beans for this guy but...

Theirs 2 different computers for the car. Theirs the ECU that controls the engine and the CPU which controls the idiot cluster, ac, radio, power to the gauges, etc.

If your honestly considering this swap, you need to do some more research on what you need...
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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+1 ^^ i agree on the research
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 03:16 PM
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i agree on that research! ill check my books on the car about the ecu vs cpu thing, but the reason i had assumed that the ecu controlled both the motor and the body is because there are plugs from both going into it... that is truly my only frustration with this swap!

i can fabricate mounts and i've been planning to get a custom driveshaft...

but i haven't been able to figure out how to do this ecu hookup!

thanks for all your ideas and tips, please keep it coming!!
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 05:48 PM
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use what ever is going to do for your need's ... lol.. i've been talking with BDC dealing with my project..it's smarter to run the haltch for me because , i'm going for power.. hell i have a pfc i've gotta sell now because of my set up.. you could run the pfc instead of the haltech simply because you're not trying to put down 600 hp..lol..and if you did decide to go with a pfc , contact banzai .. they have the jumper harness so you don't have to splice. <- nice sale's pitch just talk to some builder's and get a good idea of what you're looking for..nothing wrong with either of the 2 , i just can't use the pfc because i have a turbo'd semi pp setup.. think it all out before you jump into it man

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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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Oh, alright. Don't bother with the FD harnesses. Just uses the FC harnesses and install our adapters and a Power FC. http://www.banzai-racing.com/product...ss_adapter.htm

You will still need to make some changes to the FC harness for the CAS and injectors. You also will not be able to run the turbos sequentially with the FC engine harness. I really didn't want to mention this as an option because from reading your other posts I can tell you are in way over your head already. The Power FC replaces the stock ecu completely.
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 03:06 AM
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It is possible to run the FD harness in the FC but it is a pita. I can try and do a write up but there is a lot of wire hacking involved. I just finished one in a S4 with full fuctionality. I was determined to use the FD front cover and crank pick ups so I went with the motive fab mounts and melded a FC harness and FD harness. You also have to either run FD ignitor to run tII coils or do banzai's extra ignitor setup to power the coils. The biggest tricks are making sure you run the MAP, Circuit opening relay, wipers, tach, and check engine light. I am running Power FC. To do so you need at least the ecu 1 plug from the FD chassis and the 2 plug can help also but not nessesarily needed. The oil cooler and PS lines have to be built and if you have a three port rack and pinion and trying to run FD pump you will need to plug the third port. The third line you disconnect and snip the hard line. Then weld the hole where the hard line was and re install with the banjo bolt. That is the only way to do it with out causing the rack to blow up. PM me if you have any more questions.

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