Skippydog

Sonicrat pretty much said the same thing as me. Just in his own lil cocky way hehe. Your right about the na's ussually do handle a bit more but then again if your racing your going to break things. I havnt had one race season that has been cheap. And if you plan on doing good in drifting I think the better of the two would be the turbo II. I guess its your decision. Either way with that kind of driving your going to break things. T II has a stronger drivetrain and maybe a bit shorter life on the track. NA has a weaker drivetrain and maybe a hair longer life on the engine if your not constantly redlining it all day. Any time you race just remember its going to cost some cash. You might as well look at a T II at least you will have a better chance at winning in my opinion.

Wankels-Revenge

Ya man the fc is quite a bit heavier than any civic. Keep in mind that civics are front wheel drive so they save weight with not having a drivetrain that extends to the rear.
But u said in some of ur earlier posts that u wanted a drift car right? You're not exactly going to drift very well in a civic

Visago

duh, I'm a tard....tornado

MADBOOST

are you proud of yourself sonicrat? why cant you juss leave?you know dam well what my point was in that particular post when i said drifting is one of the worst things you can do to your motor and you pick out the part where i might have exaggerated a little about bouncing on redline all day juss kuzz you love to argue when its obvious that is not the point of the post and i naturaly got defensive when you said learn to drive or get a camaro? <edited for flaming

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

Considering I answered almost everyone of your questions, I'm not quite sure what you're complaining about. But, regardless, if you don't want to be criticized for what you say in a public forum, think twice before you post it. You started talking about the reliability of Turbo's, and I pointed out that if maintained properly they can be very reliable, yet you continued on to mention that drifting at 9krpm would blow up a turbo (and an N/A at that), which I pointed out is NOT a safe way to drift, or correct either.

MADBOOST

skippy- i went really wanted a turbo2 about 8 months ago and was searching everystate for a good deal, but bottom line is a can only afford 1 money pit and there are less things to break in a na and less things to spend money on, i would love the additional power but i kinda decided i wanted a NA for a DD. even if it means a honda and i cant drift it..>/


and to wankels revenge- yes it is my wishes to have a drift car for a DD and i recently bought a starion with rebuilt motor for a good deal but i soon learned they arent good drift cars, but its still fun to wipp the *** around corners in 1st and 2nd, but i been searching on and off for about 8 months for a ae86 that isnt rediculously overpriced of a good deal on a turbo2 in real good condition but i dont think i can get the reliabilty i want from a turbo2 with a budget of 5 to 6. i have been drivin gmy fd this whole 8 months even in snow and i commute a lot and waste way too much on gas commuting everywhere with my fd. if i cant find a rwd car i like soon im juss gonna settle for a honda kuzz it shouldnt be hard to get rid of later over here and a b16 crx in my opinion is the fastest AND most reliable power you can get within that budget and tho its rwd b16 crx's are still pretty fun to zip around in and if i can get a hf those ******* are very light and very fast, my boi ran 14.7 with 17's in a HF b16 very few bolt ons

torean

u two are making baby jesus cry.....N/A= redline allday....T2=redline redline ....ehh...BOOOOOOOOM

Skippydog

Hmm i wonder how the first gens drift. There are a million of them up here. Same with the older nissan z cars. Hell my z car slides nicely. I just have never tried it with it for any distance. Ohh by the way If anyone is interested Im selling my 81 z car for $800.00. Im sure there is a ton of cars that are low budget and the parts are cheap that you could use as a daily driver and a weekend trasher.

torean

and u CAN drift with a civic......civic are nice daily commuters.....u'll never see 44mpg from an FD or a FC....and costs 10 dollars to fill the tank....

MADBOOST

sonic i dont care wtf you say any idiot knows no matter how well you maintain it, a gxl IS MORE RELIABLE THAN A TURBO2, any turbo model of a car is more unrelable than the nonturbo version. Edited for flaming AGAIN

MADBOOST

i know thats 1 of the many beautys of hondas torean im sad to admin it but i think that whats im prolly gonna send up doing if i cant get like 170 rwhp from my budget, i do miss my crx si 10 bucks last a week. i dont know if ther is something wrong with my fd since i bought it but it almost seems like it sucks even more gas than b4, everytime i leave my house i spend about 20 bux for gas for my fd its ******* rediculous

MADBOOST

skippy dog i didnt notice we are kinda midwest neighbors list details of your car i might be interested.. hey do you know of any reputable shops in our area for rotories? i juss read today on this forum that elite in MN does good rotory tuning but that is the 1st time i heard that and there are barely any fd's here for them to practice on

cbrinega

The infamous "beefy N/A" thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=31410

RarestRX's GTUs Dyno:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=269541

Relisys190's 181 rwhp car:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=292244

Icemark's nearly 173 rwhp vert:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=260972

Check these threads out for some information. It seems to me that your goal for a daily driven N/A is not unreasonable.

Skippydog

Umm basically I do all of my own work. All my own research, Rebuilding bla bla bla. Yea your only about 6 hours or so from me if your in the twin cities area. As for my 280 zx it needs some body work and a new intake/exaust gasket that i already have just havnt put on. Besides that it drives great. I just dont have the time to work on it with my rx7vert, wifes talon and my track awd talon. I have some pics if you want me to send them just email me at scooter@uplogon.com

MADBOOST

thanx so much cbrinega that should keep me busy for a while, yeah i been asking some ppl on the forum and a small majority says that its doable

MADBOOST

skippy i have a car buying addiction and i swear if i didnt have a starion in my driveway taking up space i would prolly buy your z i love old school too, but i need a DD and get rid of the starion b4 i can get more toys.. im a nub when it comes to hands on but i read a few books and ordered and watched atkins step by step rebuild about 3 times and i would love to mess with a fc if i get 1 but for my fd i only want the best and im sending it to pettit or pineapple and im hoping to locate the most reputable tuner in these 48 states and fly him in or work something out. so im assuming you dont have any refferences? to shops? kuzz you know yer own **** right

Skippydog

Umm actually there is a guy up in Marquette, MI that once rally raced rx7's he owns a repair/used car dealership. He might do rebuilds you can talk to him.
I dont know if he is into it anymore. He use to tune my car and work on it before i knew how to do it myself. Sonicrat taught me a lot when we struggled with his tII conversion on his gxl. If there was ever a problem with a rx7 that thing had it. FIghting with the vert engine swap and with his gxl/gtus/ and my old sport helped us to figure out a whole lot of stuff. Here is that info

Pepp Motors Inc
(906) 228-7279

Icemark

MADBOOST the number of your posts in this thread that had to be edited for flaming is unacceptable. Get a grip on yourself, or find some other board to post on, as such language and out and out flaming of other members is un-acceptable here!

One more and this thread will be closed.

You have been PM'd as well about your poor behavior here.

MADBOOST

sorry icemark im a nub to the forum and all i wanted was info from others and for that guy to leave me alone as you can see... no more swearing gotcha my bad





sonic real nice, cant believe you snitched on me when all i wanted was for you to leave ME alone. real nice

MADBOOST

thnx skip dog, and what you said that i would have a better chance of winning with a t2, well to be honest i live in MN and there are some races to compete in but i will prolly never race it in a competition i never planned to, even when i get my fd back im not gonna go all the way to wisconsin much to drag it. i want to go fast for my own personal enjoyment and the rush i get, and to race friends and talk sh t to them of course but my main priority for the fc is reliability not power, and cost, and maintinance costs and wining competitions is definatly not even a priority i juss wanted enuf power for a little fun and try not to sacrafice any reliability for power, or minimal atleast. so maybe now you can understand why i want a NA. besides i think sonicrat is insanely biased and defensive over t2's kuzz he told me my goal is not attainable with my budget but ive been pm'ing with ppl all day that say its very possible to even reach 180 or more with that budget and say they have a car now with that power. im not completly convinced yet but most ppl i've talked to say its possible

xxxyboi

MADBOOST:

Stop being a irresponsible kid, if you can burn through SO many cars so quickly obviously you yourself are a abusive driver and do not appreciate your cars for what they really are. If you drive a RX7 you should be proud of driving mazdas flagship car and not thinking of how to drift with it (even though you clearly dont know how) and saying that it'll blow up because of it. Turbos require more 'babying' then a regular NA but ALL cars will require babying if its put under extreme conditions. Sonic's replys earlier was a little arrogant-like, but its hard not to be when someone is ranting on about drifting while bouncing off the rev limited. Get yourself another damn car and burn that to the ground, because FCs are dying out and we don't need another one sacrificed to people who abuse them.

And to answer your post question
86-88 FC NA= 146hp stock
89-91 FC NA= 160hp stock

porting will give you anywhere from 15-50hp
CAI, exhaust, headers = probably a good 15-30hp
SAFC = 5-15hp
and theres alota other stuff that is inexpensive to add on will add up to good gains...

my 2 cents

Skippydog

180hp will most likely be way above your budget that you pointed out in the begining. If not impossible. First your trying to buy the car. then a rebuild/port. Then exuast, intake, safc, possibly new ignition. Plus all the maintence your going to have to do when you get the car. Im not trying to bum you out but just give you some realistic numbers. Here are some low ball numbers for you to play with
1800 for the car
1800 for the rebuild/porting
500 for the exaust
200 for the safc
60 for the intake
200 for the header
total of $4560

that is a hell of a lot of cash to get probably in realistic hp to the wheels of about 160hp. More then i would throw into my vert. shoot it would be cheaper for me to turbo the damn thing. And if i blew the engine I still would have enough to pick up another engine if i spent that same amount of cash

MADBOOST

xxxyboi- 1st of all, i do drive some of my cars very hard, so the F what? why would you care this is my f ing car you guys are all lunatics, 2ndly, even tho i dont care, i dirve my fd nicely, i drift and drive hard occasionally but mostly for my fd it gets baby'd not that im doing it kuzz some lunatics on the forum will be sad if i beat on it..
and tho im only 22, i happen to be be very successfull and i work real dam hard, so why the f shouldnt i be able to buy toys with my hard earned income and why shouldnt i want to try to learn to drift like many rx7 owners, and that is exactly the reason why i want a NA fc.. you said i clearly dont know how to drift, im gonna have to disagree half way on that statement, but that is exatly why i want a na fc, something very very cheap to learn do drift, i only want to spend what i have to on this car...
and i really do appreciate your input after the paragragh about "dont f up a fc" but unfortunately for you and all the other lunatics that get pissed when some1 is bad to a fc, well sorry but your gonna have to live with it kuzz its gonna happen, im gonna drive it real hard, and so are many other fc owners so try to lighten up.. BTW thanx for not being as offensive with your opinions as sonicrat...

and overall im not an abusive driver, but im looking for a car that i can beat on and not have to worry a dam thing about, i relize even tho its a na its no honda or toyota but since ive been looking for ae86 for a good deal for a year now and failed and i git my heart set on another rwd, i think a na fc is gonna have to do

MADBOOST

skip dog- 180 hp would be great, but im realistical and honestly 160 would cut it for me, to the wheels tho.. ive owned way too many turbo cars, my 1st 3 cars were turbo, and tho i dont know much about machanics, i know from experience turbos life isnt long, turbo engine life isnt long(if driven hard). and just overall a turbo car is 10 times more of a money pit than a na, especially when your limited in what you can do yourself... do you think 160 is doable with 5 or 6 stacks? i been talkng to some ppl that say they got 160rwhp with stock motor and boltons, im a little skepticle just because many of my friends have NA cars and spend butt loads on boltons with no dramatic power gains, but im gonna look into it some more and call pettit and pineapple on monday and bother them

totallimmortal

I'll know my numbers soon when i get to the dyno, but my s4 na ran a 15.2 with just intkae and exhaust, i can't wait to get it tuned with my safc and post some numbers