SonicRaT

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Good question. I've hardly ever seen a FD make it over 100k without popping a seal. I don't know what it is that makes them so less reliable. I've seen many properly modded 2nd gen tII's with around 250-300hp that had over 75k on their engines after all the upgrades and had no signs of any troubles. ReTed rambled on once about why FD's failed so much more, but that was long ago and I've since forgotten. If you want something that's still got some kick to it, yet pretty reliable (if maintained properly), the TurboII is a good canidate.

MADBOOST

how much is a tornado? i thought it was cheap, looks cheap

VietFC

last i heard, it was liek 75 bux or something. I just make em now when people want em. ^_^

MADBOOST

91 fc, dude cmon now, your talking to me like im an idiot or something, everything your telling me is obvious and any1 on this forum or should know, i mean i appreciate it but its all elementary what your saying powe to weight crap and all this...i am not a fan of the light flywheel btw... i bought a ultralightweight chromoly flywheel for 650 at rx7.com they should never be put on any turbo car is what my friend told me but i baught it anyway and regret it and want to trade some1 for a stock one, i only have 5,000 miles on it and can prove it, anyway it frees up less than 1 percent of hp and should never be put on a turbo car unless its seriously built for drift or roadrace.. when you shift in a tubo lightend fly car no matter how hard you full throttle it your boost drops down and a decent launch is impossible no matter who the driver or what else is done to the car... the throttle response is noticeably better but not even close to worth the it, the losses are way too much to overcome the gains in a DD... i advise none of you to buy a lgith flywheel unless like i said, your a serious drifter or road racer.. oh btw im getting one in my fc for drifting but my offer still stands for a trade on a almost new chromoly ultralightweight fly for a stocker

MADBOOST

omg that was a lotta ****, i think imma go to sleep now

91_fc

my bad. just trying to help

MADBOOST

sonicrat unitl some1 can explain the diff in the models that make the fd so unrelaible i will never buy a turbo2. i juss need facts and answers kuzz by the sound of it so far thru logic, a modded turbo2 with equal hp to a fd should be just about as relaible or unreliable as a stock fd

MADBOOST

i juss got my heart set on a NA car to beat like a red headed step child. ive had turbo cars my whole life and i love them over any other config but i want a drifter that i can bounce on redline all day

AusTexRex

Here's some more.
A Turbo II with a rebuilt motor will run you under your 5-6k budget and it will be quite reliable assuming the turbo is in good condition. So when you're buying it check it all out yourself, make sure it's boosting and if you really feel the need get an aftermarket BOV. Aside from that rotaries are quite reliable, as with most things it is the user/driver that makes them unreliable. Honda's are just better protected against stupidity, and for good reason.

MADBOOST

91 fc i really do appreciate that your trying to help me and i encourage it more on the forum, im jus a little affended that you think im such a nub that you have to break down the a b c's to me

MADBOOST

yeah all this talk about turbo 2'sbeing so reliable, but how relaible is ANY turbo car if your planning on being real hard on it from the begining, lets face it, drifting is prolly the worst possible thing you can do to the motor, its gotta be bouncing on redline and there is no rev limiter right? so its gonna be going over redline a lot (beeeeeeeep) kuzz my eyes are on the road and i like to do it a lot, on top of that i need to drive it a lot everyday for commute

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

Then either learn to drive, or buy a camaro.

MADBOOST

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Visago

sheesh, this thread has gone off the deep end, i was hoping someone was gonna tell me that adding a volcano and CAI on an s4 NA would be a quick 15-30 hp.

MADBOOST

hahaha whats a volcano?

MADBOOST

unrelated topic..... can any1 tell me how much my touring FD weighs? the door panel says a different weight than the manual. and how much does a turbo2 and a gxl weigh? im juss trying to compare to hondas

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

This reason exactly. You don't DRIFT by bouncing off a rev limiter, drifting is about THROTTLE CONTROL. If you can't drift a turbo without blowing it the hell up, you surely aren't going to be able to do any better with an N/A. As your reply further points, your immaturity is the reason why you A) need to learn how to drive or B) get a car that nobody cares if you **** up.

MADBOOST

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SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

After the time spent decoding that dyxlexic message, I can obtain from the following. A) Throttle control is used to maintain the BALANCE that your quote specifically mentions, thus allowing you to control how far your rear is sliding. It's greater on turbo's because of their spiked torque curve, but definatly by no means impossible. Furthermore, I already pointed out you can't reach your 'goals' within your 'budget', and offered the only other logical solution to doing such, in which you decided to rant on about the unreliablity (which is caused by owners who are incapable of MAINTAINING said vehicle). Any questions? Didn't think so.

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

Oh, and funny that the winner of the D1GP was Kazama, driving an S15 Silvia, which just happens to be turbocharged. (At 414hp, just in case you're wondering) And i'd be willing to bet a fair ammount of money he wasn't driving around running off a rev-limiter.

just for good measure:

Skippydog

While i think drifting is a fun new sport I wouldnt personally invest any money into prepping a car to run. Within the next few years the sport is going to go through some heavy changes. The car setups are going to get extreeme and the competition is not going to be for a bunch of low budget amatures. Its sad that you can already see this sport adapting like that. I personally wouldnt buy a car just for that type of competition. I would rather invest my money into a scca spec racer or something along that lines. Anyways Throttle control on a turbo car can be much more difficult to control then a na. So I agree with madboost on one part. However i dont know if I would consider driving a na as a drifter either. The extra hp in a turbo can be a extreemly helpfull. And if you had that extra hp i dont think there would be a need to "bounce it of redline" to keep the a** end out. Throttle control and driver skill would be the key in a turbo II (sonicrat). As for reliability if your running over redline in a na all damn day at the track it isnt going to be any more reliable then your 3rd gen if not less.

MADBOOST

skippy thanx for a real post. i dont know too much about cars is why im posting and learning but i always assumed a NA motor can take much more of a beating than a turbo'd one also thru ecperience of owning 3 turbo'd cars and quite a few hondas that i beat the **** out of tried to kill a ls integra, i had no heat for a whole winter in MN and i drove in 3rd on the highway for engine heat and i put some money into the car to fix the tranny and other probs and then i got some body damge so it couldnt be sold for much, i juss tried to put as many miles on it and try to get my money's worth and basically try too see how far i can push the motor, well i tried to kill it for another year daily driver, always 3rd on the highway when its winter for like 30 min drive cahnged the oil like every 6,000 miles and juss beat on it everychance i had, well i sold it to my friend for 5 bucks and after i tired to kill it for a year it never got any f ing slower i swear, oh btw it had 140,000 miles i know its a honda but still isnt it true NA cars can take way more of a beating? and also how you stated that you would never soend a lot to build a car for drift, well me2 thats why i decided to rebuilt my fd for drag now and get a cheap car to learn to drift..


and sonicrat stop f ing posting here your helping no one you juss like to hear yourself argure kuzz you think yer real smart. and i dont know how often the D1 is but i read in a not too old sport comact car that a winner of a D1 event in the US was won by a little jap dude in a ae86 and they interviewed him with a translator and that is where i got the quote. and he says he floors it thru the turns and doesnt need to modualte throttle pressure like his opponents. <Edited for flaming

MADBOOST

hey who knows the weight of all the rx7's? especcially curious to know touring fd, r1, turbo2, amd gxl

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

2800lbs R1
2862lbs Touring
2700lbs GXL
2845lbs TurboII

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

He was talking about the 200 meter turn, and simply that unlike the turbo's who had to shift and play it safe on the gas, he could ride through at WOT (which WAS NOT over-revving the damn engine) There's quite a bit of difference between being able to stay on the throttle through a turn and over-reving it. If you'd of paid attention to the article, he made mention about 'throttle control' and that since his power band was nice and smooth it was easier to maintain. Basically the only reason he made the one corner was because he was in his power band, where the turbo's were not. Of which, that corner wasn't a very big portion of the track, so in a lot he was lagging behind.